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Yeah, they're not identical players. You can still compare them.
This is just deliberate obfuscation. It's pointless.
Has Lance Franklin surpassed Wayne Carey as the greatest key forward of the modern era?
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These are the only arguments people will be able to make should Franklin finish as the player who ticks the boxes for longevity, athleticism, goal-kicking and overall record.
"Nah. Carey. Intangibles."
It's a shitty argument now and it'll be even shittier down the line.
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If he is then yes he probably is the best. Could you imagine a Jakovich or McIntosh being able to stop him?
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I can imagine all kinds of things.
A key position player plays CHF/FF.
A key player, is key to the forward line, Ablett was Geelongs best forward for many years.
You asked how many years he played as a key forward, and the answer is nearly all of them.
Now as you like using stats to measure, go look at Abletts.
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Yes I'm guessing your imagination is quite vivid.
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Aaron Sandilands and Caleb Daniel are two completely different players.
Carey and Franklin are both super athletic key forwards who've played a hybrid CHF/FF role.
Isn't that actually more accurate than what you said?
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Does that mean the convo on GOAT becomes Carey, Abletts, Lethal and Buddy?
nah
nah
the disrespect to buddy is pretty crazy
265 games and 838 goals so far. thats less games and over 100 more goals than carey
2x flags. would be more if he stayed at the hawks, possibly couldve had a norm smith if he stayed too
6x AA
3x coleman, including being the last player to kick 100 goals in a season
9x leading goal kicker at his respective clubs
first ever indigenous player to kick 750 goals, 13th in history.
he still has what? 5yrs left on his contract? that takes him to 35yrs old, if he kicks 50 goals a season in that time (which he has every year bar his first 2 and 2015 where he played 17 games) he'll end with close to 1100 career goals and over 350 games played
265 games and 838 goals so far. thats less games and over 100 more goals than carey
2x flags. would be more if he stayed at the hawks, possibly couldve had a norm smith if he stayed too
6x AA
3x coleman, including being the last player to kick 100 goals in a season
9x leading goal kicker at his respective clubs
first ever indigenous player to kick 750 goals, 13th in history.
he still has what? 5yrs left on his contract? that takes him to 35yrs old, if he kicks 50 goals a season in that time (which he has every year bar his first 2 and 2015 where he played 17 games) he'll end with close to 1100 career goals and over 350 games played
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look I know you have just posed a question but really buddy franklin wouldn't tie wayne careys bootlaces in my opinion.
they are two different players playing in two different eras.
half of the players playing today wouldn't even get a game then.
they are two different players playing in two different eras.
half of the players playing today wouldn't even get a game then.
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I didn't say "key player". I said "key forward". And this distinction between a "key position forward" and a "key forward" is news to me.
For example, I think most people understand that Eddie Betts, while "key" to the Crows' forwardline, is not a "key forward".
Do you think Betts is a "key forward"?
Only according to your bizarre definition.
More accurately, Ablett was a key forward for three great seasons 1993-95, and an interrupted final season in 1996.
lmfao jesus christ, surely you dont believe this?
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This is perhaps the dumbest recurring statement.
Are you able to compare two things that are not identical?
"Nah they're different! Cant! Can't!"
It's truly weird.
Do i think Betts is Adelaids key forward?
No because he is not key to their forward line, unlike Ablett who was.
If Buddy played back in Carey's day, and played for North, he would be playing on a flank, Carey was streets ahead of him as a key position player.
Good OP but why ask for discussion?
Any counter arguement is quickly shot down if it doesn't meet your own criteria.
Can't mention Carey's intangibles but base a point on hypothetically franklin playing at this level/amount of goals for x number of more years. How much of carey career did you watch?
For me and imo if buddy was to be a better forward wouldn't he be able to consistently take over head and pack marks?
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Betts has been Adelaide's leading goalkicker the past three seasons. I'd say that makes him pretty important.
According to your definition, that would make him a key forward, no?
What is this ridiculous hypothetical?
seriously he has 100 more goals in fewer games than this scumbag. he'll end his career with over 1000 goals.
some of you guys need to realise how damn good buddy is
some of you guys need to realise how damn good buddy is
Interesting question. Maybe if he won a flag or two with Sydney I'd place Buddy ahead, but as it stands at this moment, I'd still rate Carey. I just think Carey had less weaknesses as a player than Buddy, but hell .... I'd like either of them in my forward line 
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That remains to be seen.
I assume someone will make a case for Carey that relies on evidence and critical assessment, as opposed to "intangibles".
Am I being too optimistic?
Well, that merely assumes the current trend continuing.
It's a projection based on the status quo. Not exactly some far-fetched alternative reality.
Relevance?
If I said "none of it", you'd still have to make an argument.
Why? He's been great doing it a different way.
If Carey was the better forward, wouldn't he have kicked more goals?
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Yeah, I must say I thought there would be more support for Franklin.
Even if people didn't think he'd quite gone past Carey yet, I expected broader acknowledgement that the gap is tightening.
You are the one that wants to compare them, well in the same side, Buddy would be on a flank, because as key position players Carey shits all over him.
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Don't need to tell Hawks fans twice.
He and GAJ are far and away the best players of recent years.
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Are flags the metric to split individual players?Interesting question. Maybe if he won a flag or two with Sydney I'd place Buddy ahead, but as it stands at this moment, I'd still rate Carey. I just think Carey had less weaknesses as a player than Buddy, but hell .... I'd like either of them in my forward line
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Has he learned to kick on his right foot yet?
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This makes no sense.
To compare individual players, we have to pretend they're in the same team?
Since when is that the sensible way to frame it?
