Perhaps, but ask 1000 people to name the best player of all time and you will get 900+ that split Carey/Ablett/Matthews.
Not many would nominate Buddy.
Has Lance Franklin surpassed Wayne Carey as the greatest key forward of the modern era?
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Perhaps, but ask 1000 people to name the best player of all time and you will get 900+ that split Carey/Ablett/Matthews.
Not many would nominate Buddy.
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Actually I haven't tried that yet but I'll do anything once.
I stand by my opinion, though. They're two really different types of forwards. Carey was was a contested marking beast but Buddy has tricks up his sleeve that Carey never had.
Franklin is so far above Reiwoldt it is not even funny. In every measure Franklin is a lot better player. Buddy has kicked 200 more goals than Reiwoldt and played around 45 fewer games.
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Minor observation/sidenote, it's pretty crazy that despite his controversies Buddy is probably the least controversial when you consider both on and off field compared to those three.
He really is. A stack of rumours but nothing more than that. I mean Buddy's most controversial moment was a car accident. He sometimes gets suspended doing stupid things as well but no one would ever accuse Buddy of being a dirty player either.
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Has Franklin shagged his vice captains missus?
I just can't get my head around this neurotic compulsion people have to decide which is the better player. It's like the NBA with the LeBron/Jordan arguments. I mean, who gives a s**t?
As for Buddy, he's not even the greatest forward to play for Hawthorn
As for Buddy, he's not even the greatest forward to play for Hawthorn
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I just can't get my head around this neurotic compulsion people have to decide which is the better player. It's like the NBA with the LeBron/Jordan arguments. I mean, who gives a s**t?
As for Buddy, he's not even the greatest forward to play for Hawthorn
Buddy is better than Dunstall, at least in a modern context. Dunstall would be too short and too slow in modern football.
Kurt Tippett was never VC material!
Franklin would be #3 forward in hawthorns history and #2 in sydneys (at best in each case) so its a fair way from GOAT, even just as a forward
I like Jack. But he hasn't even surpassed Richardson yet.
Love his work, though.
Dunstall better with no qualifications needed. Hudson and Matthews arguably too
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I've never seen a player have a year like Franklin did back in 08. Pretty sure Matthews is on record as saying the same thing. I really rate Franklin and think he is right up there with the best players I have seen. Still watch Sydney games just to see how he goes. A once in a generation footballer for sure.
To be honest I am not sure as Dunstall was not the best forward of his era, while Buddy was of is, and Buddy is in an era where it is a lot harder for key forwards to kick goals, not just because teams no longer focus on kicking to their key forward as much, but also scores in general are lower and zones prevent key forwards kicking bags so Buddy's 918 goals or whatever it is so far is probably worth more than Dunstall's 1250.
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I love Richo but be honest jack has achieved two Coleman’s and maybe a third this year plus a premiership!
Richo has none of those
Premierships don't really mean anything when judging a players overall career. Lockett did not win a single premiership, and no one would say Cameron Mooney who won three premierships) was the better forward.
Doesn't make him a better player, though. Especially the Premiership part.
Gherig won a couple of Colemans, and was two kicks shy of winning two flags but he's not even in the conversation.
Vast numbers of legends never won a flag.
Have to rate Jack agsinst Richo, though, as Jack is a modern forward who has to get up the ground (the way Carey, Richo and Buddy pioneered pretty much).
And Carey had tricks up his sleeve that Buddy doesn’t have.
As you noted, different types of forwards, but that doesn’t mean you can’t rate them against one another.
Wow.
Protip: reserve your assessment of players for those that you've actually watched play the game.
Geez. Bloke goes from kicking over a thousand goals to not making it. Yeah nah. Dunstall was quick off the mark and a very clever footballer. Throw him into the current Tigers outfit with a modern training program and he’d be tearing it up.
Thought the same thing when I read that. When I think of Carey’s best it’s something like outmarking two players at true CHF and then roosting a goal from the square.
