Opinion Has this Carlton list already peaked?

[Bale Dup]

Feel free to correct me if you have a source.

Source? What? Like yours.
The "way too early" draft selections of a little known journalist and some article about Ben playing a good game in 2023.

You have reacted to, most likely, a Carlton hating Collingwood supporter, who, most likely, has very little to no idea about Ben's ability.
Where's their "source" on the comments they made.

What you are saying essentially, is that we changed our draft strategy midstream, coz we "suddenly" realised Ben wasn't the top 10 pick we thought we were getting, in what's been described as a generational draft, so we traded up to get pick 3, so we could get our top 10 pick.
How about, we were always going to trade to get pick 3, and have 2 "high quality" young mids, regardless of where some nuffies wanted to rate Ben.



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[thistimeforsure]

Dunno seems to be build a good core and hope you hit the jackpot with a Daicos or Ashcroft falling into your lap to give your list a nice little turbo boost that puts you over the top is the meta these days

Where is that guy for the Blues ? …. and a few other teams as well


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[GC2015]

If you had any idea what type of player Ben Camporeale is you should already know the reason we traded up for pick 3.

Blues father-son guns keen to 'carry on the name'

Ben is an inside midfielder who won All-Australian honours and claimed South Australia’s MVP award after a strong Under 18 national championships campaign where he averaged 26.8 disposals, 10.0 contested possessions, 6.0 inside 60s, 4.5 clearances and 3.8 tackles per outing.

Makes sense to draft an inside ball winning midfielder when you consider Cripps will be turning 30 in a few months. I suspect Carlton will use pick 3 to draft an inside mid now that they know B.Camporeale isn't as highly rated as he was 12 months ago.

Source? What? Like yours.
The "way too early" draft selections of a little known journalist and some article about Ben playing a good game in 2023.

A source that proves my guess was incorrect. That's what I was asking for. At least I provided sources to support my theory.

You have reacted to, most likely, a Carlton hating Collingwood supporter, who, most likely, has very little to no idea about Ben's ability.
Where's their "source" on the comments they made.

If anything, I was trying to show the Collingwood supporter that Camporeale was highly rated at one point because they were laughing at the suggestion from a Hawthorn supporter that B.Camporeale (plus pick 3) would inject quality youth to Carlton's list. Not sure why you're questioning me over someone else not providing a source, but you only have to look at any of the recent first round phantom drafts to see B.Camporeale is not listed. That one is pretty easy to prove.

What you are saying essentially, is that we changed our draft strategy midstream, coz we "suddenly" realised Ben wasn't the top 10 pick we thought we were getting, in what's been described as a generational draft, so we traded up to get pick 3, so we could get our top 10 pick.

Not suddenly, over time, but yes. That's essentially my theory that Carlton's draft plans changed from 12 months ago when they likely thought a first round bid was coming for Camporeale/s.

How about, we were always going to trade to get pick 3, and have 2 "high quality" young mids, regardless of where some nuffies wanted to rate Ben.

It's possible. Pretty unlikely when you consider the way the bidding system currently works and that there's incentive to trade down, as opposed to up, to match bids for F/S or academy players. There's a very good reason why Brisbane traded down this year and that reason is a top 3 prospect named Levi Ashcroft. Same goes for other first round prospects for Essendon with Isaac Kako and the Suns with Leo Lombard. Therefore, if either Camporeale twin was still rated as a first round pick, then I'm fairly sure Carlton would have followed suit and traded down.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Blues father-son guns keen to 'carry on the name'

Makes sense to draft an inside ball winning midfielder when you consider Cripps will be turning 30 in a few months. I suspect Carlton will use pick 3 to draft an inside mid now that they know B.Camporeale isn't as highly rated as he was 12 months ago.


A source that proves my guess was incorrect. That's what I was asking for. At least I provided sources to support my theory.


If anything, I was trying to show the Collingwood supporter that Camporeale was highly rated at one point because they were laughing at the suggestion from a Hawthorn supporter that B.Camporeale (plus pick 3) would inject quality youth to Carlton's list. Not sure why you're questioning me over someone else not providing a source, but you only have to look at any of the recent first round phantom drafts to see B.Camporeale is not listed. That one is pretty easy to prove.


Not suddenly, over time, but yes. That's essentially my theory that Carlton's draft plans changed from 12 months ago when they likely thought a first round bid was coming for Camporeale/s.


It's possible. Pretty unlikely when you consider the way the bidding system currently works and that there's incentive to trade down, as opposed to up, to match bids for F/S or academy players. There's a very good reason why Brisbane traded down this year and that reason is a top 3 prospect named Levi Ashcroft. Same goes for other first round prospects for Essendon with Isaac Kako and the Suns with Leo Lombard. Therefore, if either Camporeale twin was still rated as a first round pick, then I'm fairly sure Carlton would have followed suit and traded down.

Ben Campo got shelved after the champs, most likely to lower his draft rankings to help us make some other moves. The classic 'out of sight out of mind'.

The key with him is he's a slowish inside mid, very similar to Hewett, Kennedy, Cerra etc. Which we have an abundance of.

At pick 3 we have the ability to draft a POD mid with some x factor/traits we lack currently in our mix. Nothing to do with Ben being a poor player really, he's just more of the same for us where as pick 3 will hopefully be able to provide something new.

I think the two are separate situations really, I think we'd be trying to get one of these players no matter where Ben Campo was rated.

 

[beerbandit]

Definitely peaked, don’t think they play finals next year.

Teams going past them rapidly.

 

[Bale Dup]

Definitely peaked, don’t think they play finals next year.

Teams going past them rapidly.

In November?

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[Fadge]

In November?

In case you haven't realised, October and November provide an opportunity to improve your list.

In Carlton's case, they chose to take their list backwards. Something about the 'medium to long term', despite their best 6 players being in the prime of their careers...

 

[GC2015]

Ben Campo got shelved after the champs, most likely to lower his draft rankings to help us make some other moves. The classic 'out of sight out of mind'.

I don't think that really works when you've played well enough in the national championships to be named in the AA team and South Australia's MVP. Same thing happened with Jed Walter after the national championships last year and he was still bid on with pick 3. The recruiters have already seen virtually everything they need to see once the national championships conclude.

The key with him is he's a slowish inside mid, very similar to Hewett, Kennedy, Cerra etc. Which we have an abundance of.

At pick 3 we have the ability to draft a POD mid with some x factor/traits we lack currently in our mix. Nothing to do with Ben being a poor player really, he's just more of the same for us where as pick 3 will hopefully be able to provide something new.

I think the two are separate situations really, I think we'd be trying to get one of these players no matter where Ben Campo was rated.

I remember when Cripps was drafted and people said he wasn't quick either. These things can be worked on if you've got a prospect that possesses enough talent in other areas. Unfortunately, B.Camporeale doesn't appear to be that player based on the information we currently have, but that wasn't necessarily how he was viewed 12 months ago.

I do agree that Carlton will likely use pick 3 to draft a point of difference type of inside midfielder who has some x factor. I just think that wasn't necessarily their intention 12 months ago.

 

[Jeremias]

I thought I had heard and read it all.

But then someone comes along and tries to insinuate that Carlton should be in a panic because Ben Camporeale possibly didn't have the year some thought he may have.

Sometimes all you can do is shake your head and laugh.

 

[GC2015]

I thought I had heard and read it all.

But then someone comes along and tries to insinuate that Carlton should be in a panic because Ben Camporeale possibly didn't have the year some thought he may have.

Sometimes all you can do is shake your head and laugh.

Nothing to panic about. They secured pick 3 and will draft a highly rated junior that could make an impact immediately. It was a smart move/pivot for a club that probably thought they'd be trading down the draft order this time last year. If either Camporeale twin kicks on from here to become a star then that's a bonus from a recruiting standpoint.

 

[Jeremias]

Nothing to panic about. They secured pick 3 and will draft a highly rated junior that could make an impact immediately. It was a smart move/pivot for a club that probably thought they'd be trading down the draft order this time last year. If either Camporeale twin kicks on from here to become a star then that's a bonus from a recruiting standpoint.

I was giving you a compliment. It was an original banger.

 

[Bale Dup]

In case you haven't realised, October and November provide an opportunity to improve your list.

In Carlton's case, they chose to take their list backwards. Something about the 'medium to long term', despite their best 6 players being in the prime of their careers...

I think most posters know what October and November are in terms of list development, so try not to speak condescendingly to others, if you want to be taken seriously.
The fact you think our list went backwards shows how little you know.
These 6 players in their prime. Does their "prime" end soon?
You don't have to answer. I pretty much know your response. Same biased garbage as always.

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[Bunk Moreland]

Need to improve.

2023 was a mirage, they missed the top 4 by 2.5 games and then got very lucky, playing two finals against struggling and misfiring opposition.

Across the two finals they kicked 22.15 to their opponents’ 18.31. They won those two games by a combined 8 points.

They’re yet to prove they can put together a solid top four season. Until they do, they won’t be winning a flag.

Not sure if they’ve peaked already, but they’re not on the up. Without some massive team-altering list changes, I’m not sure they have too much improvement in them.

 

[Worm4]

Definitely peaked, don’t think they play finals next year.

Teams going past them rapidly.

Just for the record, which teams are going past Carlton rapidly ?

 

[Worm4]

Specifically

 

[Fadge]

Specifically

Carlton have had a seven teams in the competition consistently better than them over the past few seasons - Brisbane, Geelong, Sydney, GWS, Collingwood, Port Adelaide and Western Bulldogs.

Hawthorn flew past them in 2024 as if Carlton were standing still, and Fremantle and Gold Coast will do the same in 2025/26.

Is that specific enough?

 

[Worm4]

Carlton have had a seven teams in the competition consistently better than them over the past few seasons - Brisbane, Geelong, Sydney, GWS, Collingwood, Port Adelaide and Western Bulldogs.

Hawthorn flew past them in 2024 as if Carlton were standing still, and Fremantle and Gold Coast will do the same in 2025/26.

Is that specific enough?

Hawthorn flew past a lot of clubs, including Collingwood.
Jury obviously still out on Fremantle and Gold Coast.
You have Carlton finishing 15th - this is of the minority opinion

 

[Fadge]

Hawthorn flew past a lot of clubs, including Collingwood.
Jury obviously still out on Fremantle and Gold Coast.
You have Carlton finishing 15th - this is of the minority opinion

Why are you bringing Collingwood into it, when this thread's about Carlton?

You asked a question, and you got an answer.

 

[Worm4]

Why are you bringing Collingwood into it, when this thread's about Carlton?

You asked a question, and you got an answer.

Until Collingwood get past Carlton , I believe that part of your answer is inconclusive.
Of those teams you listed, Carlton had wins against Geelong, GWS, Brisbane, Port Adelaide , Fremantle and Gold Coast in 2024.
They aren't as far off as you might like to think

 

[PhatBoy]

Not writing them off but the first half of 2025 is huge for them. If they’re mid table or worse by the halfway point it doesn’t look good. Alternatively if they come out and blitz it and they don’t get the sort of injuries they had this year, suddenly they will look a huge chance of winning the thing

 

[Dangerousfield]

Just for the record, which teams are going past Carlton rapidly ?

Crows, you'll get windburn as we scream past

 

[kreuze_missile]

The AFL has seen glimpses of Carlton's best, but three years of injuries have impacted our ability to sustain it.

Key pillars are all tied up on long-term deals. Age profile gives the current list a 5-year window.

Ultimate success will come down to list health, improvement in younger players, and finding a few players to plug gaps around the edges.

We didn't do much in trade week, but Pick 3 used well adds to our midfield mix. We get Silvagni, Cottrell and Docherty off the long-term injury list. And having Cerra, Motlop, DeKoning, Curnow and Walsh healthy will help too.

We are as well placed as anyone.. but a lot needs to go right to win a flag.

 

[kreuze_missile]

I'm guessing that's a part of the reason Carlton pushed to secure pick 3 this year. They would have been thinking at the start of the season that they were probably going to recruit a top 10 midfielder (or two) and likely planned for that accordingly. Then they probably had to pivot when it became obvious that neither Camporeale twin was going to live up to the hype and that leads to trading in pick 3 instead. It's an interesting insight into their list build and probably suggests that they suspect their midfield will need refreshing in 2-3 years from now when Cripps is nearing mid-30s.

I don't think the decision to trade up has got anything to do with the perceived decline of the Camporeale brothers.

Instead I think the club realised that the AFL is getting faster, and explosive midfielders are the answer, not our one-paced inside bulls.

It's the same reason why we got rid of Jack Carroll and Matt Kennedy.

 

[Do_Beta_Rapport]

The issue isn’t really the list.

Coaching the big problem.

 

[kreuze_missile]

The issue isn’t really the list.

Coaching the big problem.

No, it's injuries.