Have Richmond passed North and west coast

[THE_GUN]

Performance in the AFL is surely more reflective of quality than a draft pick number.

LOl we are talking about 2 shit teams on the rebuild
what performances are you talking about

even though my team is currently on 2 wins against teams that smashed yours
rebuilds are not measured by wins iin the firs 3 years

 

[Shueygod]

LOl we are talking about 2 shit teams on the rebuild
what performances are you talking about

even though my team is currently on 2 wins against teams that smashed yours
rebuilds are not measured by wins iin the firs 3 years

Im talking about individual performances of said 18-21 group at afl level, as a basis of quality. Jack Williams was taken at pick 57 yet had been one of the better KPF’s 21 or younger this year. Surely you would agree that is a better indicator of quality than where he was drafted. Tyrell Dewar went undrafted and had 20 disposals and 2 goals vs the reigning premiers. Seth Campbell another fantastic example with how well he’s doing this season. I place more value in young players proving they can perform to a very good level than where they were drafted.

 

[VinnieB]

Despite Richmond winning this weekend and eagles losing, eagles looked to have gotten more out of it from a rebuild perspective.

Hewett proved he could perform in the AFL at an elite level, J.Williams played an elite game.

Not sure we learnt anything knew about the tigers youngsters bar maybe Faull who had some nice moments.

Never read such a ridiculous post.
Try harder.

 

[VinnieB]

The Richmond rebuild is a myth, their team is far older than West Coasts, they have a similar age profile to Gold Coast and Adelaide.

A rebuild isn't a competition on how many under 20 year olds you have. It's meaningless if they aren't in an environment which helps them get the best out of themselves. Look at North. West Coast are heading down a similar, possibly worse road.

It's about rebuilding a list to compete. In 1 year the Tigers lost a lot of top experience with most still in their prime and brought in more 1st round pick kids than West Coast have had in probably 3 drafts. As it stands, they also hold picks 3 and 4 in the 2025 draft.

West Coast never traded out the same calibre of players.
Give it a year or 2 and judge Richmond's draft against who you drafted in 2022, 2023 and 2024. You certainly aren't judging their recent draft against your 2024 kids.

 

[TigerTime88]

He had 76% CBA’s to Bakers 0, does that seem preferred to you?

He’s playing defence and on occasion covering in the midfield, different to playing midfield.

76% CBA's for 9 disposals.....was he a decoy mid or something? Groundbreaking from Mini.

 

[SunshineBoy]

I didn’t expect this amount of salt from some areas

 

[Coach_Required]

Don't really care if we are in front or behind in our list rebuild, but to say ours is a myth is absolutely incorrect and just sounds like sour grapes.

 

[THECHIEFTON]

Still don't like Norths list build. I like the mids, but the list is too mid heavy. Xerri and Larkey are guns. Comben is showing signs, but outside of those, I think they are very average.

 

[Rich01]

Edwards was the Barrass replacement at trade time last year. Lots of Eagles supporters were happy with Tom going because this guy was ready to go. Where is he at????

 

[SSSSSS]

Still don't like Norths list build. I like the mids, but the list is too mid heavy. Xerri and Larkey are guns. Comben is showing signs, but outside of those, I think they are very average.

Comben had a purple patch 12 months ago but has been shit house since.

He isn't a defender. He's see ball get ball which works well in an unstructured defense but he doesn't have the IQ to hold to structures.

Should be playing as a roaming CHF and just crashing packs to give Larkey some relief instead of the corpse of Jack Darling.

 

[VinnieB]

Comben had a purple patch 12 months ago but has been shit house since.

He isn't a defender. He's see ball get ball which works well in an unstructured defense but he doesn't have the IQ to hold to structures.

Should be playing as a roaming CHF and just crashing packs to give Larkey some relief instead of the corpse of Jack Darling.

I think Comben is better than that.

 

[THE_GUN]

Im talking about individual performances of said 18-21 group at afl level, as a basis of quality. Jack Williams was taken at pick 57 yet had been one of the better KPF’s 21 or younger this year. Surely you would agree that is a better indicator of quality than where he was drafted. Tyrell Dewar went undrafted and had 20 disposals and 2 goals vs the reigning premiers. Seth Campbell another fantastic example with how well he’s doing this season. I place more value in young players proving they can perform to a very good level than where they were drafted.

You are cherry picking 1 - 2 examples of players that have or are being played this year and yes they have been fine but hardly dominating and could just be average players BUT there is a reason the quality of kids go higher in the draft and the talent level is higher.

Richmonds Dynasty had so many later picks and rookie picks but the players that were the cream that delivered the flags were Dusty #3 Cotchin #2 Rance #18 Jack #13 Edwards #16 Lynch #11 Prestia #6 Rioli #15 Vlastuin #12

These are the players that Premiership sides are build on and games played decrease significantly after picks #30
Pick 1 - 215.1
pick 2 - 193.2
pick 3-5 - 164.8
pick 6-10 - 132.5
pick 11-20 - 118.6
pick 21-30 - 90

Richmond v West Coast

West Coast 23 and under players picks drafted
Total 25 player
8 players picks 1-30
17 players 31- MSD

Richmond 23 and under players picks drafted
Total 25 player
13 players picks 1-30
12 players 31- MSD

Both teams have 25 players 23 and under but the pick range is the difference
Then it leads to the quality of players that are leader that are there now and going foward 2-3 years
West Coast quality is nowhere near Richmond senior players
nankervis , Taranto , Hopper , Short , McIntosh , Broad , Vlastuin , Balta , Miller , Ross , Mansell compared to
Waterman , Ryan , Duggan , Allen , Kelly , Cole , Yeo , Cripps , Baker , Graham , McGovern , Owies

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Tigers are great to watch, their kids coming through are playing with real enthusiasm. Interesting to see whether they will tire and fall away later in the year but at the moment they're a fun watch.

Hopefully a good game on Thursday with the Demons just pipping the Tigers.

 

[Ancient Tiger]

Tigers are great to watch, their kids coming through are playing with real enthusiasm. Interesting to see whether they will tire and fall away later in the year but at the moment they're a fun watch.

Hopefully a good game on Thursday with the Demons just pipping the Tigers.

Gawn always destroys us. He's almost 10 cm taller than Nank and as good as Nank has been this year, Gawn is the best ruck I have seen for many a year. He'll give your mids first chance at clearance and that will be very hard for our backs. I'm hoping for a good game though. Good luck to both teams on such an important evening.

 

[SSSSSS]

I think Comben is better than that.

I really don't think he is.

If he was, North wouldn't be conceding 3 figures every game.

He's a key pillar in the worst defense in the comp.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Yes and no. Norf and wc have better kids, but Tigez still have some quality seniors around who are winning them the odd game or so.

So higher on the ladder, but not ahead in terms of development

 

[Ancient Tiger]

Yes and no. Norf and wc have better kids, but Tigez still have some quality seniors around who are winning them the odd game or so.

So higher on the ladder, but not ahead in terms of development

So they should. We are 1 year into a rebuild and North in particular are in year 5 or even more while West Coast is in year 3 at least. Hardly a fair comparison.
Having said that guys like Lalor and Trainor have shown more in 5/6 games than any of North's and West coast's picks did at the same stage bar Reid (obviously) but he's no guarantee of staying.

 

[quackish]

Everyone always talks about west coast not trading out players to start our rebuild sooner. Who were we meant to trade out? Us contending overlaps with us collapsing and becoming absolutely god awful. There was only ever a few options I would think. Those being Gaff, Darling and Maybe McGovern. Everyone else retired due to injury or stayed because they had no trade value. Have Richmond passed us? It's far too early to tell. Rebuilds are up and down. We won 5 games last year and now it looks like we wont win one. We won't know the answer for a few years.

 

[VinnieB]

I really don't think he is.

If he was, North wouldn't be conceding 3 figures every game.

He's a key pillar in the worst defense in the comp.

Not sure 1 player is to blame for the performance of the whole backline and mids.

You know this kid had not even played 30 games prior to this season.

The Hawks were heavily scored against 12-24 months ago. What did that say about Sicily?

 

[Grrr]

Yes and no. Norf and wc have better kids, but Tigez still have some quality seniors around who are winning them the odd game or so.

So higher on the ladder, but not ahead in terms of development

The eldest of those players is Lynch at 32, Broad, Vlastuin and MacIntosh at 31. We are not falling off a cliff age wise. Lynch is building after 2 years out but tenuous due to late injury history, MacIntosh is borderline best 23. All sides have this sort of profile. plenty older.

We have a developing core of young players who are getting games every week and working towards that 50+ game mark. This is the reason why we are having a better season than last year, apart from injury, because those players are impacting games.

The young players who will replace the older players in two years time are pretty much all highish draft pics, which give them a better chance of success. Lalor and Trainor have shown they will be around for a long time. Faull and Armstrong impressive as key forwards. A couple of others yet to get their chance.

Hotton was said to be going top 5 until he did a knee, Gibcus is quality and working back with him. The 3 others ACL's, Lefau, Clarke and Young have all been good at AFL level and are not far away. A few others are knocking the door down at VFL level and are unlucky not to be playing.

We are not being held together by some a few quality players, but a building side with plenty to come. We will be up and down as developing sides will be, but plenty of talent coming through, and unlike North who do have some quality mids, we are spread across the park, with lots of key position players coming through.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

The eldest of those players is Lynch at 32, Broad, Vlastuin and MacIntosh at 31. We are not falling off a cliff age wise. Lynch is building after 2 years out but tenuous due to late injury history, MacIntosh is borderline best 23. All sides have this sort of profile. plenty older.

We have a developing core of young players who are getting games every week and working towards that 50+ game mark. This is the reason why we are having a better season than last year, apart from injury, because those players are impacting games.

The young players who will replace the older players in two years time are pretty much all highish draft pics, which give them a better chance of success. Lalor and Trainor have shown they will be around for a long time. Faull and Armstrong impressive as key forwards. A couple of others yet to get their chance.

Hotton was said to be going top 5 until he did a knee, Gibcus is quality and working back with him. The 3 others ACL's, Lefau, Clarke and Young have all been good at AFL level and are not far away. A few others are knocking the door down at VFL level and are unlucky not to be playing.

We are not being held together by some a few quality players, but a building side with plenty to come. We will be up and down as developing sides will be, but plenty of talent coming through, and unlike North who do have some quality mids, we are spread across the park, with lots of key position players coming through.

Vlastuin, nankervis, hopper, tarranto, lynch, short, broad, mcintosh, balta is a good core of senior players. Better than WCE and NTH.

Id say this is the difference right now, not your youth.

 

[Grrr]

Vlastuin, nankervis, hopper, tarranto, lynch, short, broad, mcintosh, balta is a good core of senior players. Better than WCE and NTH.

Id say this is the difference right now, not your youth.

Of course that is the difference, which is why writing us off preseason as never going to win a game was always nonsense. People forget how badly we were hit with injury last year, and if those injuries recur this year, we would likewise fall off a cliff, but so far so good,

But Miller, Ralphsmith, Campbell, Mansell, Ross, Rioli Jnr, Dow, Trezise, Green and a few others are all on the improve, which is what you need to maintain any sort of improvement. The new kids are just bonus's, but have added real quality as well, as they should at their draft picks.

 

[SleepingGiant]

Vlastuin, nankervis, hopper, tarranto, lynch, short, broad, mcintosh, balta is a good core of senior players. Better than WCE and NTH.

Id say this is the difference right now, not your youth.

Yes, and history shows that is a better way to rebuild. You need to cushion the youngsters and have real leadership in their first 2-3 years. Your club is a perfect example TBH.

Hopper, Taranto, Balta are not going anywhere soon.

The facts are by the end of this year we will have had more first round picks than North/WC's rebuild and have better leadership around them. I would say we will overtake both by the end of next year if not already.

 

[harper2bastinac]

I feel whilst Richmond have some great kids that are performing well, they are lucky to still have some solid experienced players to guide them in lynch, nank, short, Taranto, hopper, vlaustin, broad, mcintish and prestia when he comes back.
The same couldn’t be said last year when most their list was either injured or had players already checking out or playing for their trade value.

That’s something my club and to a lesser extent wc have really struggled with over the last few years

 

[bzparkes]

Yes, and history shows that is a better way to rebuild. You need to cushion the youngsters and have real leadership in their first 2-3 years. Your club is a perfect example TBH.

Hopper, Taranto, Balta are not going anywhere soon.

The facts are by the end of this year we will have had more first round picks than North/WC's rebuild and have better leadership around them. I would say we will overtake both by the end of next year if not already.

How on earth will you have had more first rounders than North?

Do you have any idea how many they've had?