No Oppo Supporters Hawks and Pokies

[matey]

Hawks can sleep well at night until the AFL cuts ties with Sportsbet. That’s much worse. At a game don’t see 100’s of adds to bet on our poker machines while my kids are sitting next to me!

 

[OnTheRocks]

Lol pawn shops too close

 

[PLATTS44]

Bring on round 1 this pokie stuff is here and if you dont want to play Dont .

 

[Brishawk]

Bring on round 1 this pokie stuff is here and if you dont want to play Dont .

Yeah you have missed the point of this discussion...

 

[Tassie Cryptik]

...if you dont want to play Dont .

Unfortunately not true.
If only things were as simple as you make out.

 

[Gralin]

Unfortunately not true.
If only things were as simple as you make out.

For a lot of people it is. Some can't understand why for others it isn't.
Some think it's only fault of the person who can't.

 

[Brant]

I’ve actually spent a fair bit of time looking into & investigating the evils of pokies & from all my research...

I blame Essendon....

 

[Hawk_francais]

Hawks can sleep well at night until the AFL cuts ties with Sportsbet. That’s much worse. At a game don’t see 100’s of adds to bet on our poker machines while my kids are sitting next to me!

You're saying it's worse... not really providing any evidence except that your kids see the ads. A far greater percentage of people who use poker machines exhibit addictive behaviour than those who bet on sports matches.

 

[matey]

You're saying it's worse... not really providing any evidence except that your kids see the ads. A far greater percentage of people who use poker machines exhibit addictive behaviour than those who bet on sports matches.

Gambling sucks that’s why I don’t do it as you are guaranteed to lose based on the probability factor. I have known people who struggled with pokies, horse racing and sports betting agencies. The advertising is the biggest criticism I have with it all as it’s always in your face. Constantly! The leaches, the AFL/government won’t regulate it because of the revenue it generates while it’s impacting lives. Just focusing on the bad pokies and not Sportsbet is hypocritical.

 

[Hawk_francais]

Gambling sucks that’s why I don’t do it as you are guaranteed to lose based on the probability factor. I have known people who struggled with pokies, horse racing and sports betting agencies. The advertising is the biggest criticism I have with it all as it’s always in your face. Constantly! The leaches, the AFL/government won’t regulate it because of the revenue it generates while it’s impacting lives. Just focusing on the bad pokies and not Sportsbet is hypocritical.

Though it's surely not hypocritical if you have problems with both. But I take no pride in the AFL or their actions, I do like to own the actions of my footy club, and I have pride in most of them. I would have more pride if the club released a plan to transition away from poker machine revenue.

 

[matey]

Though it's surely not hypocritical if you have problems with both. But I take no pride in the AFL or their actions, I do like to own the actions of my footy club, and I have pride in most of them. I would have more pride if the club released a plan to transition away from poker machine revenue.

As much as the AFL having a plan to transition away from Sportsbet! We are one club out of 18 but the AFL are the Grand Poobah. The AFL brand is extremely strong to attract sponsors and Sportsbet could easily be replaced by other organisations.

 

[Hawk_francais]

As much as the AFL having a plan to transition away from Sportsbet! We are one club out of 18. The AFL are the Grand Poobah. The AFL brand is extremely strong and Sportsbet could easily be replaced by other organisations.

Okay well this is going nowhere.

I get that the AFL also have gambling connections. I don't have an AFL membership, I have a Hawthorn one, this is a Hawthorn forum. We are talking about Hawthorn and how we all hope (to varying degrees) that they'll find a different way to make money.

 

[matey]

Okay well this is going nowhere.

I get that the AFL also have gambling connections. I don't have an AFL membership, I have a Hawthorn one, this is a Hawthorn forum. We are talking about Hawthorn and how we all hope (to varying degrees) that they'll find a different way to make money.

I think most on here would prefer Hawthorn to find revenue other ways but they do play in a competition run by an organisation receiving millions on the back of gambling. You can’t look at one and not the other as the Hawks are like a Line of Business or a direct report to the AFL in an organisational structure.

Can’t play the moral card with the Hawks until the Grand Poobah opts out. You should be arguing to get rid of pokies as much as getting rid of Sportsbet as a sponsor. If you are not it’s hypocrisy at the highest level!

 

[tige19]

We mummy society way too much. If people who are grown adults want to play pokies then so be it.. If the club generates income from it I have no problem, we do live in a capitalist society.

 

[Gralin]

You're saying it's worse... not really providing any evidence except that your kids see the ads. A far greater percentage of people who use poker machines exhibit addictive behaviour than those who bet on sports matches.

Online sports betting and the advertising of it is I believe worse than Pokies. You can't get away from it, you can get an app on your phone and bet any time of the day or sport anywhere in the world.

I've got a big issue with the AFL's promotion of gambling and they are hypocritical when they single out Pokies.

If we want to take a stance on the league's dependence on gambling revenue that has to include the Hawks pokies.

 

[B&GBlood]

I don't see why AFL clubs need to make the stand.

Governments should make the stand.

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People need to make the stand.

 

[Brishawk]

We mummy society way too much. If people who are grown adults want to inject heroin then so be it.. If the club generates income from it I have no problem, we do live in a capitalist society.

Changing two words in your statement makes it completely morally abhorrent to most people. Not a strong argument.

 

[Brishawk]

Online sports betting and the advertising of it is I believe worse than Pokies. You can't get away from it, you can get an app on your phone and bet any time of the day or sport anywhere in the world.

I've got a big issue with the AFL's promotion of gambling and they are hypocritical when they single out Pokies.

If we want to take a stance on the league's dependence on gambling revenue that has to include the Hawks pokies.

In Principle I see a difference between horses/sports betting and pokies. The person taking the bet can’t control the outcome or tweak the probability of outcomes. It is your judgment against the judgment of the bookmaker. It is possible to be a professional gambler but not a professional pokies player.

however, it is in no way appropriate to ram sports betting down the throats of children. It is creating the cutlture if problem gambling on sports. The potential to encourage problematic behaviour is drastically reduced if you don’t have it in your face during the telecast while watching a game. Novelty bets like first goal and other within game markets are also designed for that short term impulsive bets that lead to problematic behaviour. When I was a young man I’d occasionally go to the track and place some bets. An hour between local races and 20 mins between the Sydney and Melbourne races meant you had time between races to have a breather. Maybe read some form if you were interested in betting on the next race. Now the races are on top of each other and the potential for problematic behaviour has climbed.

Gambling in this country is low regulation and it causes massive social issues. It’s time to admit it as a society and put some limits on this stuff

 

[Yardie]

Changing two words in your statement makes it completely morally abhorrent to most people. Not a strong argument.

Only because that is illegal. What if heroin was legal?

 

[Brishawk]

Only because that is illegal. What if heroin was legal?

I said morally abhorrent not legally problematic.

 

[marklar]

I was in ops, not sales.
No machine ever ran at 97 RTP. 91 maybe 87 yes.

Back in the early days when $2 machines were first released, although I'm not sure if those figures were including the link-progressive payout stats in their RTP calculation.

 

[Yardie]

I said morally abhorrent not legally problematic.

Some would say the same about alcohol being morally abhorrent. But we've all decided that drug is ok and there aren't any issues with it all.....

 

[Brishawk]

Some would say the same about alcohol being morally abhorrent. But we've all decided that drug is ok and there aren't any issues with it all.....

Irrelevant. We are talking about heroin. And clearly there are issues with it.

 

[Gralin]

In Principle I see a difference between horses/sports betting and pokies. The person taking the bet can’t control the outcome or tweak the probability of outcomes. It is your judgment against the judgment of the bookmaker. It is possible to be a professional gambler but not a professional pokies player.

however, it is in no way appropriate to ram sports betting down the throats of children. It is creating the cutlture if problem gambling on sports. The potential to encourage problematic behaviour is drastically reduced if you don’t have it in your face during the telecast while watching a game. Novelty bets like first goal and other within game markets are also designed for that short term impulsive bets that lead to problematic behaviour. When I was a young man I’d occasionally go to the track and place some bets. An hour between local races and 20 mins between the Sydney and Melbourne races meant you had time between races to have a breather. Maybe read some form if you were interested in betting on the next race. Now the races are on top of each other and the potential for problematic behaviour has climbed.

Gambling in this country is low regulation and it causes massive social issues. It’s time to admit it as a society and put some limits on this stuff

I'm not saying they are the same. Pokies might be a worse model for users than sports betting but one is more accessible, advertised everywhere and allows you to access it from anywhere you can get internet from your phone.

Also the fact they open up the option to gamble on events anywhere in the world means you can't make informed decisions and their multibets and cash back offers are setup in a way that most people are going to be throwing their money away same as if they just put them into pokies.

Casino's stack the odds in their favor so do bookies. So do pokies. Pokies might have guaranteed returns in ways bookies don't but sports bet wouldn't be making money if it didn't have a good model for setting the odds and products up to win more than they lose.

Anyone can log onto the afl website and see the odds right there, plus the AFL what to bet on video's sponsored by crown etc. Watch the footy with your kid or listen to the radio and it's there.

Now it can be a good opportunity to explain to your kid that gambling is bad, but its just another example of how the money beat out the social harm when they said no gambling ads before 8:30pm on tv, except during live sport....

Kids are already getting their fix of the behaviour sportsbet and the pokies want with their loot boxes, mobile games and blind bag collectibles. Supermarkets and everyone else is getting in on tapping into that behaviour.

It's such a common business model because it works. How badly it is stacked against you just depends on which one it is.

 

[Tassie Cryptik]

Back in the early days when $2 machines were first released, although I'm not sure if those figures were including the link-progressive payout stats in their RTP calculation.

Never at 97
3 op
3 venue
3 gov
At an absolute minimum