I was at the MCG last Saturday and I saw how hard Hawthorn has been hit by the loss of Waverly. With a crowd of just under 40,000, it would have been concerning for the Hawks with the fact that nearly half of them were Melbourne supporters despite it being a Hawthorn away game. This meant that they had just over 20,000 supporters there on Saturday, when last year they had something like 32,000 members. It is such a shame to see this and hopefully the Hawks can get them back otherwise it will be detrimental to the club who did so well to get so many members.
Hawks at the MCG
- Thread starter dees01
- Start date
- Tagged users None
I find this a strange comment. 40,000 is much higher than what this match would have got, had it been at the Waverley. I would have expected 25-30,000 had this match been at the Waverley. Melbourne dont, or never have drawn well out at Waverley.
The fact that the Dees won by 70 points may be a reason why you think they had more supporters. it depends where you'd be sitting as well. I didnt go to the match, but if you were in the Southern Stand, there were mainly Hawks (as you can see from TV), while on the MCC side of the ground, there were, obvioulsy, mainly Melboure fans.
Melbourne and Carlton got 41,000 a couple of weeks ago, so I would have though a similar crowd for Hawks-Dees would have been great.
I think, actually, in their entire history, the two clubs have only drawn more to a home and away match on two occasions.
The first was 1996, when it was Round 22. Both clubs were proposing to merge with each other, which propmpted 63,000 to attend. Because of the "reason" for the large crowd, you could almost call this an "abnormal" crowd, due to the circumstances.
The other time was in Round 22 1990. It was a MASSIVE match at the MCG. Both teams could potentially climb to thrird on the ladder (with a final five), or both clubs could also find themselves in a cut-throat elimination final. It was vitally important. 60,000 odd attended.
Melbourne ended up winning, finishing 4th, while Hawthorn dropped to 5th, and the two clubs met the next week AGAIN in an elimination final, which was also won by Melbourne.
Both these huge crowds were Round 22 matches, with obvious reasons why the crowd was so big. So, you could "ARGUE" that the weekends crowd between Melbourne and Hawthorn, is the biggest ever home and away match between the two clubs, discounting Round 22 matches. I believe this to to be true. It is the biggest crowd the two clubs have ever drawn discounting the mitigating circumstances and the "reasons' for the other two crowds.
The Hawks have drawn pretty well at the 'G' over the past 10 years actually. The figures are quite suprising.
The fact that the Dees won by 70 points may be a reason why you think they had more supporters. it depends where you'd be sitting as well. I didnt go to the match, but if you were in the Southern Stand, there were mainly Hawks (as you can see from TV), while on the MCC side of the ground, there were, obvioulsy, mainly Melboure fans.
Melbourne and Carlton got 41,000 a couple of weeks ago, so I would have though a similar crowd for Hawks-Dees would have been great.
I think, actually, in their entire history, the two clubs have only drawn more to a home and away match on two occasions.
The first was 1996, when it was Round 22. Both clubs were proposing to merge with each other, which propmpted 63,000 to attend. Because of the "reason" for the large crowd, you could almost call this an "abnormal" crowd, due to the circumstances.
The other time was in Round 22 1990. It was a MASSIVE match at the MCG. Both teams could potentially climb to thrird on the ladder (with a final five), or both clubs could also find themselves in a cut-throat elimination final. It was vitally important. 60,000 odd attended.
Melbourne ended up winning, finishing 4th, while Hawthorn dropped to 5th, and the two clubs met the next week AGAIN in an elimination final, which was also won by Melbourne.
Both these huge crowds were Round 22 matches, with obvious reasons why the crowd was so big. So, you could "ARGUE" that the weekends crowd between Melbourne and Hawthorn, is the biggest ever home and away match between the two clubs, discounting Round 22 matches. I believe this to to be true. It is the biggest crowd the two clubs have ever drawn discounting the mitigating circumstances and the "reasons' for the other two crowds.
The Hawks have drawn pretty well at the 'G' over the past 10 years actually. The figures are quite suprising.
P
Pessimistic
Guest
You only had to look at the mcc area to see quite a few dees had turned up !
This is in contrast to some Melbourne home games where you can count the melbourne supporters there on two hands !
Remember also that both clubs are affected by the 'snow time' effect (melbourne more these days)
By the way, only 16,000 attended in round 19 last year (waverley) and the Dees' banner said 'good riddance to waverley' Thanks guys !
This is in contrast to some Melbourne home games where you can count the melbourne supporters there on two hands !
Remember also that both clubs are affected by the 'snow time' effect (melbourne more these days)
By the way, only 16,000 attended in round 19 last year (waverley) and the Dees' banner said 'good riddance to waverley' Thanks guys !
P
Pessimistic
Guest
Also, when we talk about 'actual attendance' versus Membership numbers remember that AFL members attend an average of 4.5 out of the 40- odd games at the MCG - but they would say that's the privelidge they pay for.
kevin sooky
Senior List
The AFL members purchase that memberhsip for $350 or whatever it is to watch their team play at the 'G and also to attend the finals. Of course they are not going to attend every game at the 'G and why should they?
Medallion members have now come in over the of the AFL Members and taken 5000 seats away from the AFL members for the GF. I think that stinks as AFL Membership has a long waiting period b4 you become a full member and are entitled to attned the GF. That is the AFL for you.
Also the AFL have ensured that the AFL membership does not provide rights to any AGM or voting rights or anything that can affect the decision making of the AFL. The members certainly wouldnt have voted in favour of the Medallion club getting in over the top of them.
Medallion members have now come in over the of the AFL Members and taken 5000 seats away from the AFL members for the GF. I think that stinks as AFL Membership has a long waiting period b4 you become a full member and are entitled to attned the GF. That is the AFL for you.
Also the AFL have ensured that the AFL membership does not provide rights to any AGM or voting rights or anything that can affect the decision making of the AFL. The members certainly wouldnt have voted in favour of the Medallion club getting in over the top of them.
Whats the story with the medallion club?
how much is it? why did they bring it in?
I don't really know anything about it.
I am assuming that they are the empty seats you see at every colonial game.
Those empty seats look pretty ordinary on the box.
how much is it? why did they bring it in?
I don't really know anything about it.
I am assuming that they are the empty seats you see at every colonial game.
Those empty seats look pretty ordinary on the box.
Dave
Premium Platinum
Essendon Player Sponsor 2024 - Archie Perkins and Nic Martin
Veteran
Essendon Player Sponsor 2023 - Archie Perkins and Nic Martin
10k Posts
Essendon Player Sponsor 2022 - Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti and Archie Perkins
Podcaster
Sensible Type
Essendon Player Sponsor 2021 - Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti and Archie Perkins
I'm curious. Your source for this?
kevin sooky
Senior List
It costs about $4,000 per year and gives you access to various facilities at Colonial Stadium. It helped to pay for the stadium and to make it more apealling for the price it guarantees access to the GF. The only way to do this was to muscle on the AFL members room.Immediately.
[This message has been edited by kevin sooky (edited 22 June 2000).]
Kevin Sooky,
I have to correct you (sorry)
This is a DIRECT quote from the most recent AFL members newsletter.
"THE FACTS ON THE MEDALLION CLUB"
There has been much discussion by members and the media regarding Medallion Club membership. However, much of the information hs been incorrect. Under no circumstances have Medallion Club members "jumped a queue" and disadvantaged existing restricted members in being promoted to full membership status. Medallion Club membership has NO bearing on the status of existing members. This year, we offered 3000 upgrades to full membership - the highest ofered in the past 8 years. 75% took up the offer.
The medallion club is a SEPERATE membership package,and some people who took out Medallion Club membership were AFL members.
In terms of entry to the Grand Final, Medallion Club members must pay full price (on top of what they have already paid) and their seats will be located in various parts of the ground.
There you have it.
I have to correct you (sorry)
This is a DIRECT quote from the most recent AFL members newsletter.
"THE FACTS ON THE MEDALLION CLUB"
There has been much discussion by members and the media regarding Medallion Club membership. However, much of the information hs been incorrect. Under no circumstances have Medallion Club members "jumped a queue" and disadvantaged existing restricted members in being promoted to full membership status. Medallion Club membership has NO bearing on the status of existing members. This year, we offered 3000 upgrades to full membership - the highest ofered in the past 8 years. 75% took up the offer.
The medallion club is a SEPERATE membership package,and some people who took out Medallion Club membership were AFL members.
In terms of entry to the Grand Final, Medallion Club members must pay full price (on top of what they have already paid) and their seats will be located in various parts of the ground.
There you have it.
I might also d, that in the last few years the AFL members has NOT been totally full on Grand Final day.
Correct that. It HAS ben full, but only after the "balance" has been filled by restricted members who hold a club support package for one of the two competing teams.
So you could argue, there needs to be more FULL members anyway.
It hepls the AFL's finances (how else were they supposed to pay for the f*cking stadium), and doesn't disadvantage existing AFL members at all.
Medallion Club membersips are also fully transferable, so you can actually use someone else's membership, something you can't do with your AFL membsrship.
If you know a Medallion Club members, they are ALLOWED to give you their membership.
Correct that. It HAS ben full, but only after the "balance" has been filled by restricted members who hold a club support package for one of the two competing teams.
So you could argue, there needs to be more FULL members anyway.
It hepls the AFL's finances (how else were they supposed to pay for the f*cking stadium), and doesn't disadvantage existing AFL members at all.
Medallion Club membersips are also fully transferable, so you can actually use someone else's membership, something you can't do with your AFL membsrship.
If you know a Medallion Club members, they are ALLOWED to give you their membership.
P
Pessimistic
Guest
On the AFL members, I'm not saying theres anything wrong with the setup. It's just that some people quickly denigrate clubs for lower attendances and suggest the members aren't passionate enough, or don't exist.
Of course people can't go to every game. I just quoted a figure (I heard someone quote it on the radio last year and acres of empty seats bear this out) that AFL members are the least likely to attend - nobody seems to say they aren't passionate, or don't exist.
Of course people can't go to every game. I just quoted a figure (I heard someone quote it on the radio last year and acres of empty seats bear this out) that AFL members are the least likely to attend - nobody seems to say they aren't passionate, or don't exist.
kevin sooky
Senior List
Dan, If Essendon play Carlton in the GF, it will be packed and the AFL Members will have 5000 less seats available to fully paid up AFL Members. Dont look at the attendances when Norff or an i/s side are in the GF. I can assure you, there will be complaints. I am talking about fully paid up AFL Members. The Medallion Stallions have jumped the queue in getting those seats.
Dont believe all the crap the AFL put out. Or if you do then you will believe Colonial is world's best practice. Obviously in this case practice certainly didnt make perfect. They need lots more practice. I've heard that there will be continuing roof problems as the roof is not exactly "square".
Dont believe all the crap the AFL put out. Or if you do then you will believe Colonial is world's best practice. Obviously in this case practice certainly didnt make perfect. They need lots more practice. I've heard that there will be continuing roof problems as the roof is not exactly "square".
- Thread starter
- #14
You made some good points Dan 24, but I do remember last year on a Friday night at the MCG, Round 3 or 4, Melbourne and Hawthorn drew over 46,000. Yes, Saturday's crowd would have been much less at Waverley because of the Melbourne supporters who went to the G and would not go to Waverley. But I still say there were alot less Hawks supporters at the G last Saturday than what there would have been at Waverley.
K Sooky,
That remains to be seen.
From 1993 onwards all full members who have wished to attend the GF, have ben able to do so.
I might also add, that, the AFL and MCC members reserves were at their fullest in 1997, when 99,000 attended. This is about 5,000 more than what the Grand Final usually gets.
Perhaps this was due to the "theatrical" hero vs villian scenarion that was St.Kilda vs Adelaide. The neutral public would be far more interested in a hero vs villian Grand Final, than a villian vs villian Grand Final. The 1998 and 1999 Grand Finals were villain vs villain, and the MCC reserve wasn't totaly full. It WAS full in 1997.
In 1993, the crowd was 96,000, perhaps indicating that once again, there were 2,000 spare seats in the MCC. Most of the neutral public hate both Carlton and Essendon, so I still believe, despite their huge followings, that ALL AFL members will be able to attend.
The most intersting Grand Finals for the public are when there is someone to barrack for and someone to hate. We got this in 1997. We didn't get it in 1993, 1998 or 1999.
That remains to be seen.
From 1993 onwards all full members who have wished to attend the GF, have ben able to do so.
I might also add, that, the AFL and MCC members reserves were at their fullest in 1997, when 99,000 attended. This is about 5,000 more than what the Grand Final usually gets.
Perhaps this was due to the "theatrical" hero vs villian scenarion that was St.Kilda vs Adelaide. The neutral public would be far more interested in a hero vs villian Grand Final, than a villian vs villian Grand Final. The 1998 and 1999 Grand Finals were villain vs villain, and the MCC reserve wasn't totaly full. It WAS full in 1997.
In 1993, the crowd was 96,000, perhaps indicating that once again, there were 2,000 spare seats in the MCC. Most of the neutral public hate both Carlton and Essendon, so I still believe, despite their huge followings, that ALL AFL members will be able to attend.
The most intersting Grand Finals for the public are when there is someone to barrack for and someone to hate. We got this in 1997. We didn't get it in 1993, 1998 or 1999.
A
AGame
Guest
Dees01,
hang on,were we at the same game or what?
Crowd 39,000
Hawthorn 30,000
Melbourne 9,000
Melbourne had a few in the pockets of the Southern and Northern stands,and their wonderfully loyal suit wearers in the members
,but that was it.Pls do not compare our support to yours.
And to the post stating Carlton have an enormous support base,think again,19,000 average to their home games,phuleeese.
hang on,were we at the same game or what?
Crowd 39,000
Hawthorn 30,000
Melbourne 9,000
Melbourne had a few in the pockets of the Southern and Northern stands,and their wonderfully loyal suit wearers in the members
,but that was it.Pls do not compare our support to yours.
And to the post stating Carlton have an enormous support base,think again,19,000 average to their home games,phuleeese.
- Thread starter
- #17
We will have to agree to disagree on that one. I still say there is no way you had 30,000 supporters there. Melbourne certainly had more than 9,000, more like double that. There were nearly 9,000 people in the members alone.
Similar threads
- Poll
