Hawks to exit Tassie after 2021?

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The committee looking into tassies AFL team has suggested that the Hobart waterfront would be ideal for the new proposed multipurpose stadium.I believe it would need to be a stadium with a roof because certain days can be very cold and windy on the waterfront in hobart and without it the crowds wouldn't be as big.​

Didn't the committee also suggest that the Government pull all funding for Hawthorn & North if the AFL didn't grant Tassie a licence? Only heard this briefly on the radio or news though, so may have misheard it. I will try and drag out the article and see if there are more details in the Mercury.
 

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Mr Taswegian

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Didn't the committee also suggest that the Government pull all funding for Hawthorn & North if the AFL didn't grant Tassie a licence? Only heard this briefly on the radio or news though, so may have misheard it. I will try and drag out the article and see if there are more details in the Mercury.
I'm not very sure about this,I have heard they wouldn't want to end up with no AFL in the state if we don't get a team.
 

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If they build a purpose built stadium in Hobart and locate all the games there, the whole project it is an automatic fail.

Not many people are going to do a round trip of 6-7-8 hours to watch.
They don't plan on hosting all games there,half will still be in Launceston,but this stadium would also be used for other sports.
 

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The only way they will be leaving is if Tassie get their own team,otherwise Hawthorn have indicated they want to be in Launceston for a lot of years to come.
Perhaps,

No one has ever quite explained to me why North Melbourne got the Tasmanian academy and AFLW licence over a club that has significantly larger financial and membership resources, who were in the market for 11 more years and were actively sponsored by the Tasmanian government

Something is seriously afoot with how the AFL has managed Tasmanian football
 

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Perhaps,

No one has ever quite explained to me why North Melbourne got the Tasmanian academy and AFLW licence over a club that has significantly larger financial and membership resources, who were in the market for 11 more years and were actively sponsored by the Tasmanian government

Something is seriously afoot with how the AFL has managed Tasmanian football
The AFL have always wanted north Melbourne in Tasmania,so this is a way of trying to make them our team,Hawthorn wanted to do more but they were stopped by the AFL.
 

Mr Taswegian

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In response to the news today that Tasmania will have a team by 2023 and the Hawks will leave Tassie in 2021,Hawks president Jeff Kennet has said it is news to him and said they have no plans to leave Tassie in 2021.
 

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Couldn't we play a home game in launie v tassie and then play them away in hobart too.

That would be 2 games a year at least for our members.
 

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Couldn't we play a home game in launie v tassie and then play them away in hobart too.

That would be 2 games a year at least for our members.
I’m not sure how the AFL and the Tasmanian government would feel about s team with a 20 year history in the state effectively competing with the native team for corporate, membership and popular support
 

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And the 2018 crowds?

If we were just as good at filling the G as we are at making excuse after excuse after excuse as to why we can’t fill it then we’d have a sell out every game.

And the sponsorship from the current Tassie deal alone was worth $19M over 5 years.
Playing most of our big games as either the away team, or in the return fixture is a big reason for poor crowds.

There's a reason that we always draw well v Collingwood (because we generally only play them once).

There's also a reason why return fixtures between the "big 4" are often 15-20k less
 

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Playing most of our big games as either the away team, or in the return fixture is a big reason for poor crowds.

There's a reason that we always draw well v Collingwood (because we generally only play them once).

There's also a reason why return fixtures between the "big 4" are often 15-20k less
Good example of this is looking at Hawthorn’s home and away crowd disparity.

Hawthorn started playing 4 home games abroad in 2006 and between 2006 and 2009 the difference in home and away attendance was approx 3,000 per season.

From 2010 onwards the gap between home and away attendances have been mostly growing every season, save 2015. In 2012, 2014 and 2017 Hawthorn topped the AFL for away attendances (46,897, 45,845 and 45,529) whilst our home attendance were relatively modest (34,105, 36,573 and 33,527)

In 2019 our home attendances were the lowest in 14 years (31,077) but our away attendances will probably clear 40,000 (currently 38,992 with a game against West Coast to come)

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No other Victorian club has the disparity in home and away attendance like Hawthorn. Which given our home game schedule, below, is not all that surprising...

Round 2 v W Bulldogs at MCG 39,368 (3.20pm Sunday)
Round 3 v North Melbourne at MCG 36,174 (3.20pm Sunday)
Round 5 v Geelong at MCG 66,347 (3.20pm Monday)
Round 6 v Carlton in Tasmania 15,888 (3.20pm Sunday)
Round 8 v GWS 14,636 at MCG (3.20pm Sunday)
Round 10 v Port Adelaide in Tasmania 11,637 (1.45pm Saturday)
Round 15 v West Coast at MCG 31,985 (1.45pm Saturday)
Round 16 v Collingwood at MCG 66,407 (7.50pm Friday)
Round 17 v Fremantle in Tasmania 13,006 (2.10pm Saturday)
Round 19 v Brisbane in Tasmania 15,157 (1.45pm Saturday)
Round 22 v Gold Coast at Marvel Stadium 31,331 (4.40pm Sunday)

Plus Melbourne based away games against...

Round 4 St Kilda at Marvel Stadium 35,883 (3.20pm Sunday)
Round 7 v Melbourne at MCG 40,864 (1.45pm Saturday)
Round 9 v Richmond at MCG 64,936 (3.20pm Sunday)
Round 13 v Essendon at Marvel Stadium 44,836 (7.50pm Friday)
Round 18 v Geelong at MCG 53,536 (1.10pm Sunday)
Round 20 v North Melbourne at Marvel Stadium 33,226 (7.50pm Friday)

Now in relative terms, our home games...

- the Rd 2 Dogs game was the 4th largest Dogs game all season (behind just the Collingwood and Essendon games in Melb)
- the Rd 3 North game was Kangaroos 6th largest North game all season (behind Essendon, Collingwood and Carlton games in Melb)
- the Rd 5 Geelong game was the Cats 2nd largest Cats game all season (behind round 1 v Collingwood)
- the Rd 16 Collingwood game was the Pies 6th largest game all season (behind away games against Rich, Ess and home games against Rich, Carl and Geel)
- the round 22 Gold Coast game was the Suns 4th largest game all season (just behind Carl, who drew 31,765 in the 2.10 Sat timeslot)

In terms of away games...

- the Saints Rd 4 game was the Saints 2nd largest home game for the season (behind 40,963 for the Tigers game)
- the Demons Rd 7 game was the Dees 2nd largest home game for the season (behind 52,475 for the round 2 game v Essendon)
- the Tigers Rd 9 game was the Tigers 5th biggest home game for the season (behind Coll, Ess (Dreamtime), Melb (ANZAC Eve) and was 300 people short of Geelong)
- the Bombers Rd 13 game was the Dons 2nd largest Docklands home game for the season (behind NM)
- the Cats Rd 18 game was the Cats second largest home game for the season (behind Ess)
- North’s Rd 20 game was the Roos 2nd largest home game for the season (behind Ess)

We’ve had some poor media this year but pound for pound our Melbourne based crowds are pretty strong. The devil for us is in the allocation of home games and the schedule of those games (ie a flurry of 3.20 Sunday games and a number of ‘away’ Friday Night games)
 

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What's being decided within 12 months? That Tassie will field their own team? Highly unlikely.
Yes, they are making a decision on Tassie within 12 months. This thread is about the sub-committee that is working on a proposal that the AFL will consider within 12 months. According to reports (and ignoring Dwayne Russel), it will most likely be a yes, but not in the next media rights cycle. So 2025 - 2029. According to Caro, etc, if it is a yes, then Hawthorn will depart after the current deal (2021), with North continuing there until 2028.
2029 gives the AFL time to get CG right, and more time to try to persuade North to (partially) relocate.
 
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Pretty much...


Kennett and Reeves held talks with the task force in Launceston earlier this month and conveyed the message that they could move to depart Tasmania if the state pushed ahead with its bid for a stand-alone team. The Hawthorn view was that it could reap the same or a better financial result by playing more games at the MCG.

As we would have, according to a letter from the president, in 2010 according to Jeff Kennett
 

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Latest article after today’s task force meeting says 2025 preferred.

And this...
Kennett and Reeves held talks with the task force in Launceston earlier this month and conveyed the message that they could move to depart Tasmania if the state pushed ahead with its bid for a stand-alone team. The Hawthorn view was that it could reap the same or a better financial result by playing more games at the MCG.
 

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