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Originally posted by Mcchawk
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Wet Toast
Does ANYONE think that's funny?
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Originally posted by Mcchawk
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Wet Toast
Originally posted by Jabber
He already has. You seem to be forgetting he has already left Hawthorn - not coming back. He was quite adamant about it - even prepared to quit on 149 games. Regardless of what he does next year, he will not be a Hawk.
Originally posted by Pessimistic
Amazing how you know so much from 4000km away. Truth is his 'destination' is the USA. The plan is to spend the rest of his career in WA so that his family can see his son for a few years. I doubt even his parents would be pushing him to give up his career (or even play in the WAFL, which is where you eagles fans seem to be rating him) on that basis.
Of course his brother has died tragically in the meantime so It could all be different.
Now plenty of Hawks fans have been critical on the web but when this news came out some even said let him go for no trade, He is well thought of at hawthorn.
I ge the impression you eagles have quietly thought "beauty, now we can play even harder in the trade"
He is also quite well paid - would you eagles fans exploit his situation and give him a pay cut too ?
Personally I think the AFL should be able to step in in these circumstances and allow the move to happen regardless of whether a trade can be made. I'm sure any other employer would under the circumstances.
You're misconstruing the position. As you've no doubt noticed from reading our board, we'd be happy to get him, but he is not a required player by any means - we already have the makings of a very tidy midfield. Hawthorn, however, don't want to contemplate losing another player for stuff-all, and won't let him go without a fight. The chances of that happening have now increased considerably.Originally posted by Pessimistic
I ge the impression you eagles have quietly thought "beauty, now we can play even harder in the trade"
He is also quite well paid - would you eagles fans exploit his situation and give him a pay cut too ?
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Yeah, we're the villians in this situation. Dastardly Hawthorn, dragging these poor kids across the Nullabor, paying over the odds to keep them and then crying poor when they go home and leave the club with no compensation.Originally posted by The Mailman
I think a three way trade between the Hawks, a WA club and another club seems likely for the Chick situation.
But for Pete's sake, the Hawks surely should do the right thing and trade him back to perth, even if they get a dodgy deal in return. His brother has just passed away for Pete's sake and his parents probably need him there at this stage of their lives.
Originally posted by The Mailman
I think should just be happy with a first rnd pick from the Eagles and a fringe player. I don't think they are going to get any better deal than that.
Originally posted by The Mailman
I think a three way trade between the Hawks, a WA club and another club seems likely for the Chick situation.
But for Pete's sake, the Hawks surely should do the right thing and trade him back to perth, even if they get a dodgy deal in return. His brother has just passed away for Pete's sake and his parents probably need him there at this stage of their lives.
Originally posted by hotpie
Chick will be forced to stay in Melbourne. The Perth clubs will not have room in their salary caps and will not be able to/prepared to pay his high cost.
He aint that good anyway.
Originally posted by Danny Chook Fan Club
Logical?
It's logical to be dictated to by a player and by an opposition club?
It's logical to accept a pick in a poor draft and a no-hoper for a 150 game Club Champion and leading goalkicker?
It's logical to project yourself as a soft touch around the league?
The lever is different - Hawthorn can force Chick into a lottery with the likely result that he may have to sit the year out, rather than drag him through the courts to enforce a contract. But it's leverage all the same, and Hawthorn has shown in the past that it is not shy about using that leverage.Originally posted by Danny Chook Fan Club
Harding was a much different situation. He was a contracted Hawthorn player, and was seeking to breach that contract. The same with Gary Buckenara.
Originally posted by hotpie
Chick will be forced to stay in Melbourne. The Perth clubs will not have room in their salary caps and will not be able to/prepared to pay his high cost.
He aint that good anyway.
Since so disgracefully and selfishly using that leverage (to enforce legally binding, court-tested contracts. The nerve of Hawthorn!), the following players have been allowed to 'go home':Originally posted by carneagles
The lever is different - Hawthorn can force Chick into a lottery with the likely result that he may have to sit the year out, rather than drag him through the courts to enforce a contract. But it's leverage all the same, and Hawthorn has shown in the past that it is not shy about using that leverage.
Originally posted by carneagles
The lever is different - Hawthorn can force Chick into a lottery with the likely result that he may have to sit the year out, rather than drag him through the courts to enforce a contract. But it's leverage all the same, and Hawthorn has shown in the past that it is not shy about using that leverage.
Really, you wouldn't expect any club to act any differently. All clubs have a tradition of treating players ruthlessly when required. As a result, though, you can't be too outraged when a player puts no. 1 before the club. [/B]
Originally posted by Danny Chook Fan Club
Since so disgracefully and selfishly using that leverage (to enforce legally binding, court-tested contracts. The nerve of Hawthorn!), the following players have been allowed to 'go home':
Matthew Robran
Ben Allan
Darren Jarman
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In all cases above, we received less than adequate compensation for five very good footballers.
Originally posted by Dave
Didn't he leave as part of Freo's concessions? If so, Hawthorn didn't let him go???
Salmon and Chick less than adequate?
Originally posted by Danny Chook Fan Club
Allan essentially walked out.
Salmon - gone. Chick - gone.
versus
Jarman - two flags
versus
Wellman and Barnard - two flags.
Originally posted by Pessimistic
I tell you what is annoying. You guys think you are doing the actual negotiations. One even started using card playing analagies.
Originally posted by Pessimistic You all pretend you don't rate Chick when you really do, and are looking forward to rubbing our noses in it next year.[/B]
I feel sorry for the guy, I really do, but BOTH clubs have not helped with the deal and WC have walked away from it. We simply don't want him that bad.Originally posted by Pessimistic Meanwhile the guy is probably going throught the worst time of his life, and it's just a big game to some.[/B]
Originally posted by Pessimistic Maybe perhaps the Hawks are trying to settle this sooner rather than later (draft week) so the guy can get on with his life. [/B]