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Lifetime free agency was agreed to in the last CBA discussion but was delayed until 2019. I don't think the AFL has publicly released the list of free-agents yet and as such footywire is probably working off the previous list published in March. Henderson will become a free agent at the end of this year under the new rules.Ricky Henderson has been in the league for 10 years. He’s out of contract. Does this make him a free agent or a delisted free agent? He will likely get a new 1 year deal.
I don't have the ability to update minor details in the spreadsheet, all of the data is drawn directly from footywire with no realistic way of override small parts of it (especially given I would need to do that for 18 clubs worth of data and I don't get paid for doing it, so it'll just have to be what it is as that's the best we can do).Minchington is contracted until next year.
Great work Lore, I'm a keen follower of your excellent Draft Picks thread, thanks for all your work on these.
Agree that Hawthorn's list is probably at the most interesting stage of any club's given the (old) age profile and lack of any significant number of highly promising youngsters. It seems that their future hopes are very much on the FA bandwagon. Going to be a fascinating trade and draft period for them, a real snakes and ladders situation IMO.
How can you pot Mitchell? His year last year was one of the greats. One of the most astute pick ups of recent times.If done well then you can say a team has been getting in a cluster of master stroke FA recruits but if things don't work out too well, then hawthorn becomes the dumping ground for mid tier players who have been washed up at their previous clubs. While hawthorn has a good track record of turning b graders into A graders, the sheer weight of these players without the elite talents will make it very difficult for hawthorn to get back to flag contention. Hawthorn will always be around the 8 but ultimately for flag assault, you need half a dozen elite players plus a continuous influx of b graders that you can turn into better players. Hawthorn's A graders are all but gone. The later recruits like Jaeger, Mitchell are not of the same class as the previous batch.
Over time we are intending to post one of these for each club. Since there's an appetite for Hawthorn discussion I'll start this one now.
This is a Hawthorn-specific version of the player contracts & statistics spreadsheet pinned to the top of this forum. It summarises your players' contract situations, experience, ages and heights. The data is from footywire, and the spreadsheet will update itself when footywire is updated.
Based on this data, Hawthorn are;
- the oldest list in the comp, with an average age of 25.1 years
- the second most experience list with an average of 84.2 career games
- have an average height of 188.4cm, which is the seventh tallest in the AFL
- have the shortest average contract length in the league
Your picks in the first five rounds of the draft are:
1st round pick (tied to Hawthorn - currently pick 4)
2nd round pick (tied to Hawthorn - currently pick 22)
3rd round pick (tied to Port Adelaide - currently pick 46)
5th round pick (tied to Hawthorn - currently pick 76)
5th round pick (tied to Collingwood - currently pick 89)
To check the draft order (updated weekly) see the thread here.
So, Hawks fans, who do you want to re-sign, and who is on the trade table?
Where do you see the gaps in the list as it stands?
Which players do you think are gettable to fill those needs?
What will it take, given the current trade and draft value on hand?
If done well then you can say a team has been getting in a cluster of master stroke FA recruits but if things don't work out too well, then hawthorn becomes the dumping ground for mid tier players who have been washed up at their previous clubs. While hawthorn has a good track record of turning b graders into A graders, the sheer weight of these players without the elite talents will make it very difficult for hawthorn to get back to flag contention. Hawthorn will always be around the 8 but ultimately for flag assault, you need half a dozen elite players plus a continuous influx of b graders that you can turn into better players. Hawthorn's A graders are all but gone. The later recruits like Jaeger, Mitchell are not of the same class as the previous batch.
Of the 2019 out of contract crew, I'd go with the below table.So, Hawks fans, who do you want to re-sign, and who is on the trade table?
14 | Grant Birchall | Unrestricted Free Agent | 2019 | 1 yr on form |
2 | Jarryd Roughead | Unrestricted Free Agent | 2019 | Delist |
25 | Ryan Schoenmakers | Unrestricted Free Agent | 2019 | Delist |
9 | Shaun Burgoyne | Unrestricted Free Agent | 2019 | 1 yr on form |
28 | Paul Puopolo | Restricted Free Agent | 2019 | Delist |
29 | William Langford (Rookie) | Restricted Free Agent | 2019 | Delist |
29 | Changkuoth Jiath (Rookie) | Non-Free Agent | 2019 | 2 yrs |
13 | Conor Glass | Non-Free Agent | 2019 | 1 yr |
44 | Damon Greaves (Rookie) | Non-Free Agent | 2019 | 1 yr on form |
38 | Darren Minchington | Non-Free Agent | 2019 | 1 yr on form |
32 | David Mirra | Non-Free Agent | 2019 | 1 yr |
36 | Dylan Moore | Non-Free Agent | 2019 | 2 yrs |
40 | Harrison Jones (Rookie) | Non-Free Agent | 2019 | 2 yrs |
37 | Jackson Ross | Non-Free Agent | 2019 | 2 yrs |
46 | James Cousins | Non-Free Agent | 2019 | 2 yrs |
12 | James Frawley | Non-Free Agent | 2019 | 1 yr |
18 | Jonathon Ceglar | Non-Free Agent | 2019 | Trade |
27 | Marc Pittonet | Non-Free Agent | 2019 | 1 yr |
47 | Ned Reeves (Rookie) | Non-Free Agent | 2019 | 2 yrs |
31 | Ricky Henderson | Non-Free Agent | 2019 | 1 yr |
42 | Teia Miles | Non-Free Agent | 2019 | Delist |
23 | Tim O'Brien | Non-Free Agent | 2019 | 1 yr |
39 | Timothy Mohr (Rookie) | Non-Free Agent | 2019 | Delist |
3 | Tom Mitchell | Non-Free Agent | 2019 | 3 yrs |
45 | Will Golds (Rookie) | Non-Free Agent | 2019 | 1 yr |
Midfield depth, talls and a couple of grunts/role players with mongrel.Where do you see the gaps in the list as it stands?
Hawthorn have been rumoured/linked to 8 different players just off the top of my head. We'd be talking to every manager who has a tall forward in their keeping who is wanting opportunities.Which players do you think are gettable to fill those needs?
We'll use our first. That seems a given.What will it take, given the current trade and draft value on hand?
Ahh the good old papers.It's like the article in the paper today. "Player managers no longer consider Hawthorn a destination club".
So last off season we brought in Scrimshaw, Scully and Wingard. How about we strike out this off season before declaring that no good players will want to come to us.It's like the article in the paper today. "Player managers no longer consider Hawthorn a destination club".
No surprise as their top clients want success so the only players going to Hawthorn will be those with injury history and are hoping they can resurrect their career or average players that aren't in high demand. Paton is the perfect example. Giants don't need/want him any more and coming off 3 knee recos, he knows he is running out of options.
Davo-27 above has a realistic view of the trouble this list is in and they have many years of no success to come.
Not so much that, but we are on a main board (not a team board) and people won't always have favourable opinions about your club or players. You're always welcome to defend your club and provide a different perspective, and as long as the posts are on-topic and reasonably civilised about it then they'll remain here. You can always report them if you think they're breaking a rule, and we'll deal with it from there.Good to see this has already turned into a s**tcan hawthorn thread. Maybe we should throw our hat in the ring for Fantasia now that he wants out of the bombers