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i put alot of our success down to the leadership group on the field that act as coaches, any player goes out of line the leadership group who are respected and loved by all at the club come down on said player, it breeds an environment of structure, success and driven personalities, those that want off the bandwagon like unfortunately Garlett are allowed off, but most subscribe to the way our great leaders push their agenda because they have faith it will work out in the long run, this is 1 of half dozen major reasons we are successful imo.......

other reasons are we have 1 of the best fitness trainers in andrew russell, he was as big of a signing as Clarko as head coach, we have Leaders on our Board who challenge and support our staff and coaches, without being challenged you can become complacent and without support you can lose belief, i think our presidents have been great in both areas since Jeff Kennett got on board and another reason is because we have an amazing training centre and the finances to afford some of the best ways to educate and train our players in the AFL

there are other ways we have "done it right" but only the power-brokers at HFC will know those
 
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Kingy picked Sydney to win because as a kid he was a Swans supporter as his Grandad played some games for Sth Melbourne
He wasn't at all surprised that Hawthorn won, just surprised at the ease of the victory
A lot of you take what so-called "experts" have to say far too seriously, especially as a lot of it is said to cause discussion amongst the general public!
Do you know that a lot of the various articles in newspapers are club driven?
He did not just pick them to win, he tipped them to thrash the Hawks! Completely discounted a team that was going into their 3rd consecutive GF and has played some really good football. That to me makes David King less of an expert in AFL games analysis.
 
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i put alot of our success down to the leadership group on the field that act as coaches, any player goes out of line the leadership group who are respected and loved by all at the club come down on said player, it breeds an environment of structure, success and driven personalities, those that want off the bandwagon like unfortunately Garlett are allowed off, but most subscribe to the way our great leaders push their agenda because they have faith it will work out in the long run, this is 1 of half dozen major reasons we are successful imo.......

other reasons are we have 1 of the best fitness trainers in andrew russell, he was as big of a signing as Clarko as head coach, we have Leaders on our Board who challenge and support our staff and coaches, without being challenged you can become complacent and without support you can lose belief, i think our presidents have been great in both areas since Jeff Kennett got on board and another reason is because we have an amazing training centre and the finances to afford some of the best ways to educate and train our players in the AFL

there are other ways we have "done it right" but only the power-brokers at HFC will know those
Careful Davo, realhawk might have an anurism seeing kind words said about the fitness staff!
 

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Careful Davo, realhawk might have an anurism seeing kind words said about the fitness staff!
oh don't worry i get annoyed at the injury crisis we go through every season as well, but thats the price for having a primed and ready team to succeed each year, when other teams lose steam in the last quarters we inevitably come out on top......
 

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oh don't worry i get annoyed at the injury crisis we go through every season as well, but thats the price for having a primed and ready team to succeed each year, when other teams lose steam in the last quarters we inevitably come out on top......
Not only that but we were consistently scoring multiple goals in the last 5 minutes of all quarters. We played out quarters and games all year. Testament to the fitness staff.

All this stuff about the experts is funny, None of them should be called experts. They are simply commentators. They seem to barely analyse the situation and if they do, they are letting their heart run their head and that is not what so called experts do.

You can prove my theory pretty simply by looking at why most of them said we would lose, or more to the point, why Sydney would win - The firepower of the Bondi Billionaires. You see, that is just them hoping that this master stroke of recruiting would pay off and it would be the story of the off season. How can teams match what the Swans have produced? How will teams stop the cavalcade of stars in the Swans F50? Who can control Tippett, Goodes, Reid and Franklin? What a master stroke!

Tell me again who was the highest scoring team all year? It wouldn't happen to be their opponent in the GF, would it? Surely not, if that was the case I am sure one of the "experts" would have picked up on it. Wouldn't they? I mean they are the experts... right???

Classic case of "experts" overlooking all the stats and going with the big story and hype of the day. That is why they are just commentators, giving a fairly media driven opinion on what they think might happen. They also looked at one result in the prelim and forgot all logic.
 

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Commentators aren't there for you or I. Every football fan would do as good a job, if not better at analysis of the game itself.

They're there for their own amusement, and to capture the attention of the neutral/uninterested observer. Big, brash, BASIC.

A big story is easy to sell. That's why Judd is a superstar, Franklin used to be lazy but is now a selfless team player, Hawthorn are too slow, Geelong are the greatest ever, etc. Even when the actual facts don't support their argument, they will overlook them to find something that matches their pre-existing story.

One of the greatest parts of watching your team live is seeing the play unfolding, watching the strategies used to get players free downfield - seeing just how hard some players work off the ball. TV doesn't capture that, and probably never will.

Australian Rules is an amazing, chaotic and complex game - but TV is there to make it easily digestible, focusing on the lowest common denominator (general public), and simplifying to the point of idiocy.

We will never see nuanced commentary as it is not the aim of the broadcast.
 

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Says Hawthorn's stellar trading reminds him of North's chequebook recruiting in the 70s and then says "oh yeah without the money part".

:drunk:
Arguably the most moronic aspect of the whole article. He just glossed over our recruiting yet it sets us apart from every other team as we go about it differently.
 

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Tell me again who was the highest scoring team all year? It wouldn't happen to be their opponent in the GF, would it? Surely not, if that was the case I am sure one of the "experts" would have picked up on it. Wouldn't they? I mean they are the experts... right???
Dead right! You don't have to be an 'expert' to just check the points for and against for both teams. I had someone say to me they were picking Sydney because they have too much firepower....... this seemed to be a common thought. When I said we had kicked 55 more goals than Sydney they were 'er..... really?'. It was one of the easiest stats to research, just look at the ladder, but I didnt hear anyone mention it at all in their previews.
 

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Someone honestly needs to give David King a tap on the shoulder and put us all out of misery. The guy is a parasite, he should stick to what his best at.... Having his nose firmly planted on night club toilet seats.
 

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I read the article but didn't learn anything new. Does that make me an 'expert' ? :) PMSL at Cats being best at disposals though.

Looking back, I believe the Freo hype of 2013 GF was a media job to make the match a 'ratings success'. Experts, sensationalists, bandwagon jumpers etc, they are all paid to sell articles or to create 'interest' on the TV coverage. Basic knowledge of the game is no longer a factor when landing a media job it seems.

Anyway, on to 2015. We are the hunted. We are B2B looking at B2B2B. Expect several 'chinks in the armour' articles about HFC as the season draws closer.
 
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#46
Interesting that in just the past 6 seasons alone, we have turned over 44 players....That's an entire playing list in 6 years!....We have averaged 7.5 deletions/changes to the list over that period.

The only blokes left from the 2008 list currently are:

L. Hodge
S. Mitchell
J. Lewis
J. Roughead
G. Birchall
C. Rioli
B. Whitecross
M. Suckling (Rookie)

Apart From Sewell, Franklin & Guerra, these blokes form the core & foundation of our Premiership era!.....Finding replacements for the top 6 names, will be the key to any future prosperity thereafter!
 

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Interesting that in just the past 6 seasons alone, we have turned over 44 players....That's an entire playing list in 6 years!....We have averaged 7.5 deletions/changes to the list over that period.

The only blokes left from the 2008 list currently are:

L. Hodge
S. Mitchell
J. Lewis
J. Roughead
G. Birchall
C. Rioli
S.Burgoyne
B. Whitecross
M. Suckling (Rookie)

Apart From Sewell, Franklin & Guerra, these blokes form the core & foundation of our Premiership era!.....Finding replacements for the top 7 names, will be the key to any future prosperity thereafter!
May not have been there in 2008, but I think I raise a good point.
 

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Interesting that in just the past 6 seasons alone, we have turned over 44 players....That's an entire playing list in 6 years!....We have averaged 7.5 deletions/changes to the list over that period.

The only blokes left from the 2008 list currently are:

L. Hodge
S. Mitchell
J. Lewis
J. Roughead
G. Birchall
C. Rioli
B. Whitecross
M. Suckling (Rookie)

Apart From Sewell, Franklin & Guerra, these blokes form the core & foundation of our Premiership era!.....Finding replacements for the top 6 names, will be the key to any future prosperity thereafter!
Really good post. I had no idea it would be that small of a number.

Just shows how well our club have done things since then. To bring in so many quality players via trade and drafting and cut many players who were list clogging around 09-11 has been the reason we have climbed back to the top and stayed there.
 
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so our 'blueprint' for success was:
- cheque book recruitment without the cheque book
- 45 degree angle kicks
- kick accurately
- getting rid of buddy so we could have a spread of goal kickers
- have a lot of old guys that might drop off in 2015.

Wow. Why didn't all the other clubs think of that?
 

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so our 'blueprint' for success was:
- cheque book recruitment without the cheque book
- 45 degree angle kicks
- kick accurately
- getting rid of buddy so we could have a spread of goal kickers
- have a lot of old guys that might drop off in 2015.

Wow. Why didn't all the other clubs think of that?
I was shocked by the whole 45 degree kicks things. Neither a "switch" nor "metres gained"... why even bother?

******* hawthorn, kick long to a contest like we used to do in the good old days.

/sarcasm
 
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