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Mitchell would be top5 in West Coast BnF.

The 3 games Lewis missed due to his suspension the Dees went 0-3, QBDay his only poor game really.

Both Melbourne and WCE would be extremely happy with their output to date...especially considering they gave up nothing for them.
Lewis has been very good.

Mitchell was on TV last night strongly suggesting it was his last year. Any Eagles fans wish to provide some input into that claim?
 

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Lewis has been very good.

Mitchell was on TV last night strongly suggesting it was his last year. Any Eagles fans wish to provide some input into that claim?
Mitchell when asked said he was 50/50 on playing on as the pull of coaching was growing.
Media is saying with Priddis getting an extension that Mitchell cannot be part of next year's midfield or Priddis can't. Speculation is that if Eagles are not looking like playing finals Natanui will not play this year and that Sam would retire
 

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Mitchell when asked said he was 50/50 on playing on as the pull of coaching was growing.
Media is saying with Priddis getting an extension that Mitchell cannot be part of next year's midfield or Priddis can't. Speculation is that if Eagles are not looking like playing finals Natanui will not play this year and that Sam would retire
If he's top five in the B&F that wouldn't let him finish. After all who would let a player go after a season like that?

Am I doing this right?
 

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It's really as simple as this:

1. You have a bunch of old guys that are getting progressively shitter

2. You have a bunch of 24-28 year olds who don't look as good as they did when you had multiple AAs running around

3. You have some of the worst youth in the competition outside of Mitchell and Burton

4. You have no draft picks next year and will have to give up your pick #1-4 to the Saints

5. Three years of vickery

6. You are no longer a destination club

I expect Brisbane levels next year and Fitzroy levels in 2019.
But still, we'll never be Essendon level :$ :$
 

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If he's top five in the B&F that wouldn't let him finish. After all who would let a player go after a season like that?

Am I doing this right?
It is Mitchell talking about retirement.

A player calling time on their career is different to their club shipping them off for nothing after they just won a BnF.

WCE wont trade him to Freo for nothing, he would retire from playing football.
 

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It is Mitchell talking about retirement.

A player calling time on their career is different to their club shipping them off for nothing after they just won a BnF.

WCE wont trade him to Freo for nothing, he would retire from playing football.
He has an arrangement with the eagles to go into coaching, which was part of his career transition.
 

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I think alarm bells would be going off quite loud now, with Clarkson coming out the other day saying everytime they try to ramp up his training load to 100% he has a setback or isn't able to train at heavier load.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that out of all the professional athletes to have this injury only one has ever made a successful comeback?
Worth doing. No offence intended
Read the same/similar article at the time of O'Meara's injury (ruptured patella tendon with floating bone fragments) which spoke of:
- How rare the injury is, somewhat more common in the NFL where it is considered career threatening.
- Only two AFL players have done it ever, being Chris Knights and Gary Buckenara.

Knights (who has helped Jaeger and backed him to get back) had patella tendinitis like Jaeger prior to the injury. He also had complications around the joint as well as soft tissue injuries which is common, ending his career.

Buckenara is quoted in this article saying that whilst he got back to football, he was never the same player post injury. He was also a lauded, long-time Hawks recruiter who said...
“There has to be a question mark (on O’Meara)... You just can’t say he’s worth two first-round draft picks — that’s unrealistic.”
... and we know what they gave up for him.

This article talking about the injury to an NFL star, says...
... the injury he suffered in 2014—a torn patellar tendon—typically gives athletes crapshoot-level odds at returning to form.
and
Not only are those who had patellar tendon surgery much less likely to return, but they also return for less time and perform at a lower level than those who have suffered other common musculoskeletal injuries such as torn ACLs or ruptured Achilles tendons.
The article also explains how the surgery isn't a common one and requires a great deal of finesse from a surgery stand point; with the idea being to restore proper tension in the tendon, but there's a risk of making it too tight or too loose. This could be a concern given Clarkson's comments recently about Jaeger's recovery from high loads and the mystery surrounding it.

It is generally considered after reading a handful of articles, that injuries involving a rupture of the tendon tended to have severe consequences.

One can only hope Jaeger can get back to playing some good footy but as I've said, looks a utterly terrible trade for Hawthorn with all things considered.
 

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Hawks could use a player like him
Sam Mitchell or not Hawthorn would still be on 4 wins and 8 losses.

As of right now the Hawks are missing Brad Hill more then anybody else. I hope by now all opposition supporters who labeled him as ''soft'' and nothing more then an average player realize how good a footballer he was for Hawthorn.
 

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Sam Mitchell or not Hawthorn would still be on 4 wins and 8 losses.

As of right now the Hawks are missing Brad Hill more then anybody else. I hope by now all opposition supporters who labeled him as ''soft'' and nothing more then an average player realize how good a footballer he was for Hawthorn.
Disagree, Mitchell elevates the blokes around him with clean first use, he's a footballing savant.

The drop-off in form of so many of the Hawks superstars this year, Clarko's 'band of AAs', might simply be traced back to the lack of clean first use?

Like Hill tho.
 

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Disagree, Mitchell elevates the blokes around him with clean first use, he's a footballing savant.

The drop-off in form of so many of the Hawks superstars this year, Clarko's 'band of AAs', might simply be traced back to the lack of clean first use?

Like Hill tho.
Must admit that I disagree too. But one year of relying on a football savant and likely not getting a flag only slows down the development of younger mids

Loved watching Sammy last night. Quickest/smartest brain in footy
 

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The thing I find most confusing is which senior players they decided to let go.
Mitchell and Lewis (and Gibson) have been the club's most consistent performers. These are the guys that get a team into the finals and have the most to teach the younger players.
Hodge, Burgoyne and Rioli are big game performers. They have won the hawks finals and premierships, but get carried through the home and away season. A quick check of B & F voting over the last decade shows this.
Surely Mitchell and Lewis had more to offer than those they kept?
 

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The thing I find most confusing is which senior players they decided to let go.
Mitchell and Lewis (and Gibson) have been the club's most consistent performers. These are the guys that get a team into the finals and have the most to teach the younger players.
Hodge, Burgoyne and Rioli are big game performers. They have won the hawks finals and premierships, but get carried through the home and away season. A quick check of B & F voting over the last decade shows this.
Surely Mitchell and Lewis had more to offer than those they kept?
Again see post above. It's precisely because of your point that it was logical to let them go. There are plenty of young Hawks getting opportunities who are learning things the hard way. Silver service from Sammy is not going to teach that - IMO
 

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Again see post above. It's precisely because of your point that it was logical to let them go. There are plenty of young Hawks getting opportunities who are learning things the hard way. Silver service from Sammy is not going to teach that - IMO
I see your point.
Though I think Mitchell has much more to teach young players and sets a better example than Hodge and Burgoyne. I thought his regular move in recent seasons to the backline was a good way of giving others opportunities.
 

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I see your point.
Though I think Mitchell has much more to teach young players and sets a better example than Hodge and Burgoyne. I thought his regular move in recent seasons to the backline was a good way of giving others opportunities.
Yes and no. By no means am I minimising what Sammy could teach. I am still holding out that he takes over from Clarko as head coach when Clarko hangs up the boots.

But Burgoyne and particularly Hodge are great leaders. Hodge spends half his time directing players during our games (probably an exaggeration) and, in fact, the "big game"/"when it counts" psychology is actually pretty important to young players sometimes. We lot last week but we staged a last quarter fight back with a whole bunch of kids. Weirdly enough I enjoyed last week's game. You've probably had similar experiences at North when there is a young list. Maybe even this year

Hodge and Burgers are also more comfortable to sit back to let the team do their thing and step in when "they have to". I think this has actually been good for Hawthorn this year - in spite of our ladder position
 

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He has an arrangement with the eagles to go into coaching, which was part of his career transition.
Yeah aware of the four year contract which doesn't stipulate between playing and coaching for Mitchell.

WCE want him at the club, If Sam decides to hang up the boots and focus on coaching that is his choice.

Trying to equate that with your coach coming to you after you win the BnF and encouraging you to head west because the Hawks are going in a new direction (a stint in the bottom 4!!) isn't the same thing at all.

Fair enough if the Hawks were going to get something back for him, ie Tigers with Deledio. But encouraging your two best players to leave, and getting nothing back in return, not only being lapped up but defended by Hawks on this thread is very humorous. Posters tying themselves up in knots with contradictory statements, just like the Essendon stand-by crew, to try and justify the balls up...
 
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Again see post above. It's precisely because of your point that it was logical to let them go. There are plenty of young Hawks getting opportunities who are learning things the hard way. Silver service from Sammy is not going to teach that - IMO
disagree. That's just revisionism at its finest. Young players learn from playing alongside the best players. The way they prepare, the way they communicate, the way they position themselves, etc etc etc. The idea that good young players aren't going and getting the ball because S Mitchell is just boggles the mind. If the kids were good enough they'd go get the ball too.
 
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Yes and no. By no means am I minimising what Sammy could teach. I am still holding out that he takes over from Clarko as head coach when Clarko hangs up the boots.

But Burgoyne and particularly Hodge are great leaders. Hodge spends half his time directing players during our games (probably an exaggeration) and, in fact, the "big game"/"when it counts" psychology is actually pretty important to young players sometimes. We lot last week but we staged a last quarter fight back with a whole bunch of kids. Weirdly enough I enjoyed last week's game. You've probably had similar experiences at North when there is a young list. Maybe even this year

Hodge and Burgers are also more comfortable to sit back to let the team do their thing and step in when "they have to". I think this has actually been good for Hawthorn this year - in spite of our ladder position
wouldn't a coach hang up the magnet board? :p
 

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When Hawthorn commits to a player to trade into the club the Hawks do not leave them hanging (as have many other clubs that I wont mention here).

The next time the club goes to a player and says come play with us, we can honestly say that we will follow through even if it gets rough. You will win some and you will lose some along the way, but in the world of AFL recruitment it helps to have a reputation of treating your valued targets as valued.

So we didn't leave Omera out to dry. And players take notice.
 

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When Hawthorn commits to a player to trade into the club the Hawks do not leave them hanging (as have many other clubs that I wont mention here).

The next time the club goes to a player and says come play with us, we can honestly say that we will follow through even if it gets rough. You will win some and you will lose some along the way, but in the world of AFL recruitment it helps to have a reputation of treating your valued targets as valued.

So we didn't leave Omera out to dry. And players take notice.
LoL.

What impact did chasing JOM have on the actual Hawthorn players who were touted as potential trade offerings, how were they valued??

Should Adelaide have sold the farm for Gibbs...just because they chased him?? Is Adelaide's reputation now ruined and they wont be able to trade for players?
 
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When Hawthorn commits to a player to trade into the club the Hawks do not leave them hanging (as have many other clubs that I wont mention here).

The next time the club goes to a player and says come play with us, we can honestly say that we will follow through even if it gets rough. You will win some and you will lose some along the way, but in the world of AFL recruitment it helps to have a reputation of treating your valued targets as valued.

So we didn't leave Omera out to dry. And players take notice.
I'm sure clubs who's players you target will be thrilled to know that no matter how hard a bargain they drive you'll still drop your pants. That's a great message to send!
 
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