Hawthorn has parted ways with Monkhorst...bring Monkey home!

[76woodenspooners]

Josh Fraser???????????

• Graeme Wright
• Paul Licuria

 

[frizzle]

Cameron and Cox don’t need a specialist coach. Maybe Begg anD part timers like Kreuger could learn a thing or two from Monky but it’s probably a waste of limited soft cap which is better spent elsewhere.

Agree. Fraser can & does work with the rucks. We don’t need an additional ruck coach. There is still a soft cap.
If Monkey wasn’t an ex pie player this thread wouldn’t exist. Sydney consistently get used ruckman & improve them considerably.
‘But nobody seems to be suggesting we head hunt their ruck coach.

 

[jathanas]

Why did Hawthorn part company with him?

Enormous food bill and too many lunches went missing.

 

[frizzle]

• Graeme Wright
• Paul Licuria

Not sure they are ruck coaches.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Not sure they are ruck coaches.

Boys and jobs

 

[frizzle]

Boys and jobs

Point taken.
‘No idea on Licuria’s worth, but Wright has been an enormous get for us.
‘Having said that I couldn’t give a fat rats what team they played for. I just want the best there is employed with us.

 

[PIEWITHSAUCE]

The time to get "the boys" into jobs is after they have spent long periods elsewhere , so I'd have no issue with Monky.

The KFC Ruck Academy managed by Monky Monkhorst has a nice ring to it and he could be on a KFC incentive package (hopefully outside the cap) - guaranteed he's fully invested in getting results.

 

[gouki88]

Agree. Fraser can & does work with the rucks. We don’t need an additional ruck coach. There is still a soft cap.
If Monkey wasn’t an ex pie player this thread wouldn’t exist. Sydney consistently get used ruckman & improve them considerably.
‘But nobody seems to be suggesting we head hunt their ruck coach.

Sydney also happen to have the best ruckman post-2000 as a coach

 

[frizzle]

Sydney also happen to have the best ruckman post-2000 as a coach

They have been taking St Vinnies ruckman & turning them into David Jones quality for a long long time now. Easily best in the comp for so long at transforming ruckman into top players. Can’t remember the last ruckman they drafted. Probably never happened.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I'd argue that Ceglar, Hale and McEvoy were good around the ground, but ordinary in terms of their ruckwork, so I don't see the evidence of him being a gun. No idea why a ruckman needs a specialist ruck coach for around the ground work or a dedicated ruck coach (other than very part time)for their ruckwork. Surely Fraser could handle the technical ruck stuff. And if he can't or is too busy, a very part time role for Monkey might be ok.

But overall, calls for us to hire Monkey just reek of getting a favourite son back, to me.

Sure, I guess that's why you see me calling to bring back Anthony Rocca, Sav Rocca, Gaving Brown and all the other ex-Collingwood players spread throughout the coaching landscape right?

No, this is wanting a favourite son back because he happens to be one of the better ruck coaches in the comp, something we need.

 

[sr36]

Sure, I guess that's why you see me calling to bring back Anthony Rocca, Sav Rocca, Gaving Brown and all the other ex-Collingwood players spread throughout the coaching landscape right?

No, this is wanting a favourite son back because he happens to be one of the better ruck coaches in the comp, something we need.

Sorry for misinterpreting your reasons. Personally though with the soft cap I just don't see the need. I can't see why you'd put a specialist coach on the payroll for one skill used by 4 players. Particularly when you're head of development was a ruck and thus you'd think could teach that skill.

 

[jathanas]

Sydney also happen to have the best ruckman post-2000 as a coach

Guy Richards is a coach at Sydney?

 

[noideaatall]

One thing I dont get about afl coaching is the lack of cameos. Most forms of education use specialist training: short bursts focusing on certain aspects or key ideas. In writing this I realised they probably do a bit but it doesn't seem the norm. Monkey, for example,might be great to employ for a month or two over the off season.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Point taken.
‘No idea on Licuria’s worth, but Wright has been an enormous get for us.
‘Having said that I couldn’t give a fat rats what team they played for. I just want the best there is employed with us.

Agree

And just like onfield, we want the best team of performers which is sometimes a different thing to the best individuals. And IMO it’s helped by having people from different background (including ex-Collingwood people, but not only ex-Collingwood people)

 

[Markfs]

One thing I dont get about afl coaching is the lack of cameos. Most forms of education use specialist training: short bursts focusing on certain aspects or key ideas. In writing this I realised they probably do a bit but it doesn't seem the norm. Monkey, for example,might be great to employ for a month or two over the off season.

I think this is a good idea.

 

[VinnieB]

I can't like this enough. Ed's reign is over. Some of you need to move away from his mind set.

Don't we assess him as a ruck coach or is it because he was a past player we should be avoiding him?

He seems to have a fairly good record as a ruck coach at Hawthorn.

 

[frizzle]

Don't we assess him as a ruck coach or is it because he was a past player we should be avoiding him?

He seems to have a fairly good record as a ruck coach at Hawthorn.

If Fraser wasn't already at the club then sure, take a look. We don't need a second ruck coach absorbing more soft cap space though.

 

[VinnieB]

If Fraser wasn't already at the club then sure, take a look. We don't need a second ruck coach absorbing more soft cap space though.

Yeah I agree. My comment was just general in relation to dismissing someone purely because they played or had ties at the club. Should be based person for the role. Regardless.

 

[noideaatall]

I think this is a good idea.

Is this the kiss of death?

 

[Markfs]

Is this the kiss of death?

surely my support guarantees success..... i just thought that ruck coach is a casual position. I'm not sure how much monkey made annually at hawthorn so it mightnt be much of a salary....but i think that if you're going to cut coaching, you'd do it at ruck coach