NO TROLLS Hawthorn Racism Review - Sensitive issues discussed. Part 2

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Link to Hawthorn Statement. - Link to ABC Sports article. - Leaked Report

Process Plan - https://resources.afl.com.au/afl/do...erms-of-Reference-and-Process-Plan-FINAL-.pdf
 
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I don't understand this line from Caro:

The AFL is furious at Hawthorn basically threw the allegations over to them and did nothing.

Isn't that what should happen when there's a serious allegation about a club's conduct. It should be investigated by the AFL integrity unit, rather than the club? What should they have done after getting the report.
 

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I don't understand this line from Caro:

The AFL is furious at Hawthorn basically threw the allegations over to them and did nothing.

Isn't that what should happen when there's a serious allegation about a club's conduct. It should be investigated by the AFL integrity unit, rather than the club? What should they have done after getting the report.
Didn't Egan recommend they hand it to the AFL as part of his findings?
 

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Didn't Egan recommend they hand it to the AFL as part of his findings?
Yeah. Really serious allegations against a club, surely it's the AFL who should be investigating and Hawks should be doing nothing other than co-operating. I really can't understand what's being alluded to. What should they have done?
 

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I don't understand this line from Caro:

The AFL is furious at Hawthorn basically threw the allegations over to them and did nothing.

Isn't that what should happen when there's a serious allegation about a club's conduct. It should be investigated by the AFL integrity unit, rather than the club? What should they have done after getting the report.

AFL clubs absolutely do not have the correct resources to handle this. It was rightfully passed to the AFL.
 

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Yeah. Really serious allegations against a club, surely it's the AFL who should be investigating and Hawks should be doing nothing other than co-operating. I really can't understand what's being alluded to. What should they have done?
Yes, they handed over the report as recommended, but other than that they seem keen to avoid taking any further action themselves. The third recommendation was 'that HFC undertake further investigations into the operations of the Football Department regarding their treatment of all players to establish whether the unethical practices were more widespread, condoned and accepted as normal practice from the Board and Administration.'

They don't seem to be pursuing this at all. Not sure about the extent to which the AFL investigation is doing this either.
 

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Yes, they handed over the report as recommended, but other than that they seem keen to avoid taking any further action themselves. The third recommendation was 'that HFC undertake further investigations into the operations of the Football Department regarding their treatment of all players to establish whether the unethical practices were more widespread, condoned and accepted as normal practice from the Board and Administration.'

They don't seem to be pursuing this at all. Not sure about the extent to which the AFL investigation is doing this either.
If inappropriate conduct is found, the ToR are to investigate who knew, sanctioned, or should have known about the conduct.

I don't think the report recommendations are what the Hawks should be following at this stage - surely there's a procedure in terms of an AFL Integrity Unit? I'm surprised that it's suggested that they should be taking action other than co-operating.
 

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If inappropriate conduct is found, the ToR are to investigate who knew, sanctioned, or should have known about the conduct.

I don't think the report recommendations are what the Hawks should be following at this stage - surely there's a procedure in terms of an AFL Integrity Unit? I'm surprised that it's suggested that they should be taking action other than co-operating.
It was recommended that they take additional action, they haven't. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think the AFL investigation is going to cover all Hawthorn players of this period either, just the few interviewed by Egan.

Hawthorn went on a fishing expedition not expecting to catch anything. So far they have only tried one type of bait.
 

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It was recommended that they take additional action, they haven't. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think the AFL investigation is going to cover all Hawthorn players of this period either, just the few interviewed by Egan.

Hawthorn went on a fishing expedition not expecting to catch anything. So far they have only tried one type of bait.

At this stage, my view is that they should be responding to the AFL integrity unit - so if they are telling them to investigate all players, they should.
 

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Yeah. Really serious allegations against a club, surely it's the AFL who should be investigating and Hawks should be doing nothing other than co-operating. I really can't understand what's being alluded to. What should they have done?
Sounds to me like we're being prepped for a fall guy.
 

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Jackson printed the claim ... "he told me to kill my unborn kid" ... under a headline that screamed "demanded a pregnancy termination."

I'm not sure where the issue with me saying "lurid allegations about forced abortions" is.

That's literally Jackson and Egan's big claim ... Clarkson was trying to force them to have abortions.

Or is it a case that the reporting wasn't clear and led to misconceptions for the reader, creating false impressions?

Egan hasn’t made any claims, he conducted interviews and compiled a report at the request of the HFC.
 

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Jackson didn't make up the claim - it's in the review as well.
I didn’t say he did, I was talking about Simpkins claims about egan, and that he (Simpkin) claims to be a journalist
 

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Yeah. Really serious allegations against a club, surely it's the AFL who should be investigating and Hawks should be doing nothing other than co-operating. I really can't understand what's being alluded to. What should they have done?
What Essendon did I guess. Lose the spreadsheets. Lose all the player records. Destroy any evidence.
 

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The big question is where the leaks came from. How did the ABC find out and how did the HUN get a copy.

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sr36

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Memories flooding back of corporate shenanigans, contending agendas, bs, backstabbing, and other assorted Machiavelliphernalia I experienced at work at one time. Gives me a head pain just thinking about it. There must be a better way to make a living.
 

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