NO TROLLS Hawthorn Racism Review - Sensitive issues discussed. Part 2

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Videos, statements etc in the OP here:



Link to Hawthorn Statement. - Link to ABC Sports article. - Leaked Report

Process Plan - https://resources.afl.com.au/afl/do...erms-of-Reference-and-Process-Plan-FINAL-.pdf
 
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Lavender Bushranger

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It's not a question about whether Clarkson did "nothing wrong" in his time as Hawthorn coach. That is an impossible standard.

The question is the degree to which he acted inappropriately and if it was enough to warrant punishment.
Well obviously the term "nothing wrong" relates to the allegations in question.

Fu***n derrr.
 

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Also, the investigation isn't just into the initial accusations.
If you read Simpkin it's a general witch-hunt aiming for Kennett and his golliwogs. But if you read the inquiry terms, it's focussed on the allegations of misconduct.
 
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If you read Simpkin it's a general witch-hunt aiming for Kennett and his golliwogs. But if you read the inquiry terms, it's focussed on the allegations of misconduct.
They have been open to hear from other players beyond the initial report.

And my comment has nothing to with Simpkin. Thats just weird/obsessive, mate.
 

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They have been open to hear from other players beyond the initial report.

And my comment has nothing to with Simpkin. Thats just weird/obsessive, mate.
Below is from the Terms. Of course they'll hear from other players, but they're investigating the allegations in the report. It's not about Egan, Jackson, Kennet, Amy's dad, etc. Despite what you may read in this thread.


The Investigation is principally focussed on allegations of, ‘Inappropriate Conduct’ including:
a. racist behaviour;
b. bullying, and/or intimidatory conduct whether towards HFC listed players,
and/or their intimate partners, friends or families;
c. inappropriate intrusion upon or purported control (including coercive control),
over the family, cultural and/or non-football lives and wellbeing of HFC listed
players and/or their intimate partners, friends and families;
d. racialized and/or gendered stereotyping directed towards First Nations
players, their families and intimate partners;
e. conduct unbecoming or likely to prejudice the interests or reputation of the
AFL, or bring the game of football into disrepute; and
f. Notifiable Conduct, as defined in the AFL Rules.
 

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Below is from the Terms. Of course they'll hear from other players, but they're investigating the allegations in the report. It's not about Egan, Jackson, Kennet, Amy's dad, etc. Despite what you may read in this thread.


The Investigation is principally focussed on allegations of, ‘Inappropriate Conduct’ including:
a. racist behaviour;
b. bullying, and/or intimidatory conduct whether towards HFC listed players,
and/or their intimate partners, friends or families;
c. inappropriate intrusion upon or purported control (including coercive control),
over the family, cultural and/or non-football lives and wellbeing of HFC listed
players and/or their intimate partners, friends and families;
d. racialized and/or gendered stereotyping directed towards First Nations
players, their families and intimate partners;
e. conduct unbecoming or likely to prejudice the interests or reputation of the
AFL, or bring the game of football into disrepute; and
f. Notifiable Conduct, as defined in the AFL Rules.
I never said thst they weren't investigating the report. I said that it is not just what we read in the report.

What you've posted here backs me up, thanks.
 

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Pretty cool how folks care so much about indigenous people they're going to target an indigenous player who had an awful year and has been found guilty of minor driving offences.

Everyone operating in good faith as usual.
 

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Everyone operating in good faith as usual.
Futurama Squinting GIF
 

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Wow that comes across as very racist.

Are you the authority on how all indigenous people should be treated?

Poor form
Hey, im not the one who wrapped their arms around a FN player with criminal charges pending whilst sanctioning a non FN player for missing an ice bath, that seems kinda racist to me.
Nor am I the club that chose the moment I elevated a FN player to Captain to choose to implement the first co-captaincy in the clubs history, that also seems kinda racist to me.

Just sayin'
 

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Hey, im not the one who wrapped their arms around a FN player with criminal charges pending whilst sanctioning a non FN player for missing an ice bath, that seems kinda racist to me.
Nor am I the club that chose the moment I elevated a FN player to Captain to choose to implement the first co-captaincy in the clubs history, that also seems kinda racist to me.

Just sayin'

Stop sayin
 

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Which would be North, which is not what this thread is about.
Im sure there are numerous posts throughout this thread that point to how the relationship between Clarko and FN players under his guidance at North will be viewed from outside, so this isnt a first.
Im just suggesting we may be seeing that play out with recent events.
 

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Hey, im not the one who wrapped their arms around a FN player with criminal charges pending whilst sanctioning a non FN player for missing an ice bath, that seems kinda racist to me.
Nor am I the club that chose the moment I elevated a FN player to Captain to choose to implement the first co-captaincy in the clubs history, that also seems kinda racist to me.

Just sayin'
Are you saying the Aboriginal player doesn’t deserve to be Captain?
 

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Are you saying the Aboriginal player doesn’t deserve to be Captain?
Not saying that at all, on that topic im quite the opposite.
Im saying with the current investigation surrounding the coach, you'd think if you're going to name a FN player in a Captaincy role, surely you'd give it to him alone or not at all.
The question could now be,
Do they not think the Indigenous player can be Captain alone?
And
Why have they chosen this sensitive moment in time to introduce co-captaincy at North?
 

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Not saying that at all, on that topic im quite the opposite.
Im saying with the current investigation surrounding the coach, you'd think if you're going to name a FN player in a Captaincy role, surely you'd give it to him alone or not at all.
The question could now be,
Do they not think the Indigenous player can be Captain alone?
And
Why have they chosen this sensitive moment in time to introduce co-captaincy at North?

I think the club assumes that the Aboriginal player and the non Aboriginal player both deserve to be Captain. No questions raised at all.
 

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