NO TROLLS Hawthorn Racism Review - Sensitive issues discussed.

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Link to Hawthorn Statement. - Link to ABC Sports article. - Leaked Report
 
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Thr President has said we're actively backing him.

I find your use of "innocent" fascinating. That's how Jackson stuffed up, making it adversarial and binary.

It's not that, it's far more nuanced. Clarkson doesn't dispute the events happened for example

He says he has a very clear memory of them happening differently.

I understand that Clarkson and Fagan would have come across like the scumbag cops, social workers and teachers that had bullied those kids and their families their whole lives.

Middle aged white men in uniform with the power to make seemingly artribrary life and delusions on a whim.

That doesn't mean the events went down, or took place in the same context, as those folks remember.
Your president is a joke.I'm not sure why you rate the integrity of presidents, Hawthorn's president has a large collection of gollywogs that he brags about.
 

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Real fear, I'm shaking in my boots.

Removing toxic people doesn't make conditions worse, it makes them better.
To determine if someone is toxic, including if toxic behaviour is systemic within an organisation the arbiter doesn’t pick up a newspaper to obtain the facts …… maybe this happens in your world!!
 

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Do you think footy players in general and especially closer knit groups like mob that come from the same place/share kinship networks don't talk.
"Do you think footy players in general and especially closer knit groups like mob that come from the same place/share kinship networks don't talk." Sentence is very poorly written, doesn't make a lot of sense.
 

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If I was a parent of a young Aboriginal player, I would not want him playing under Clarkson.

That's just middle aged white guy me, though.

What about if a young Aboriginal players like Tarryn Thomas do want to play under him?

Do you know better than him?
 

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That's how Jackson stuffed up, making it adversarial and binary.

FFS!

Jackson interviewed Indigenous players who gave harrowing personal accounts of how they were treated. He sought a response from the coaches named in the allegations and they did not respond.

That is not 'stuffing up'. That is being a good journalist and pursuing an issue because it is in the public interest in a 12 months that have seen the AFL dogged by racism incidents and allegations.

There is no way the AFL would even have considered the idea of an externally led investigation if Jackson had not reported the story.
 
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The AFL has discovered being judge, jury and executioner in an investigation into itself is no longer acceptable, and its authority is being challenged by those at the heart of the game's latest racism furore with the Federal Government watching developments closely.


Excellent article.

And I totally agree for the need for 2 components of the investigation process from here:

1. investigation into the specific events alleged to have happened to players and their families at Hawthorn; and

2. the treatment of First Nations people across the game of Aussie Rules more broadly.

The AFL is not the organisation to be in charge of either.
 

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To me it looks like Hodge is trying to protect his own reputation.
All this happened under his watch, and I find it hard to believe he saw none of it.
Why’s that?

Have had many posters comment that First Nations people keep things to themselves. A player they would look up to like a father figure in Shaun Burgoyne for eg also was not aware of anything untoward

Bit rough having a dig at Hodge.
 

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The AFL has discovered being judge, jury and executioner in an investigation into itself is no longer acceptable, and its authority is being challenged by those at the heart of the game's latest racism furore with the Federal Government watching developments closely.



Very good piece, especially for Tracey Holmes.
 

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Well, indigenous players could be walking out on the club or requesting trades right now couldn't they?

I'm not indifferent to the allegations. I think they are horrific and I believe those people.

Lol at "Stockholm Syndrome" too.

I note Dimma just came out in support of him though.
Given that he's very unlikely to be their coach, it's unsurprising that they're not doing that quite yet. I hadn't heard about Dimma. Just checked it and, while disappointing, it's hardly surprising at one level given that they were mates. Also Dimma is simply saying that it's disappointing that Clarko hasn't had a chance to "have his say". Bullshit of course, that's Clarko's choice. He could have his say any time he wants. But it's not quite the same level as your President saying how "confident" she is that his version of the story will be upheld.

Funny isn't it that none of the posters condemning people for "finding Clarko guilty" before he's had a chance to defend himself have condemned her for finding him innocent?

Anyway, for all that I love what Dimma has done for my club, which btw includes presiding one of the biggest injections of Indigenous players any club has seen, the establishment of the Korin Gamadji institute, and for all that his own dealings with the likes of Sydney Stack and Marlion Pickett are the direct opposite of what Clarkson is alleged to have done, I hope some of the "Brother Boys" at Richmond have the courage to tell him to pull his head in on this one. I wouldn't be surprised if Benny or Peggy do the same.
 

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Excellent article.

And I totally agree for the need for 2 components of the investigation process from here:

1. investigation into the specific events alleged to have happened to players and their families at Hawthorn; and

2. the treatment of First Nations people across the game of Aussie Rules more broadly.

The AFL is not the organisation to be in charge of either.
Nah can’t be, she’s Stan Grant’s partner, you know their both ABC left wing mafia, it’s a conspiracy remember? Oh I forgot it’s all Russell Jackson’s fault, he and the ABC will be sued for defamation and cost tax payers millions…bloody woke left wing do gooders 🤪
 

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FFS!

Jackson interviewed Indigenous players who gave harrowing personal accounts of how they were treated. He sought a response from the coaches named in the allegations and they did not respond.

That is not 'stuffing up'. That is being a good journalist and pursuing an issue because it is in the public interest in a 12 months that have seen the AFL dogged by racism incidents and allegations.

There is no way the AFL would even have considered the idea of an externally led investigation if Jackson had not reported the story.

If it was not for Jackson no one would know or understand the depth of the abuse. AFL, HFC and coaches certainly were not going to tell us.

The issue should have been reported.

Jackson was right to report it.

He did a very bad job of it, on multiple levels, that go faaaaaaar beyond how long he gave some of those named to respond.

The framing and construction of his reporting means the whole thing is now an angry and adversarial shitshow.

He's created a situation where those who came to him with gheir stories are very likely going to get screwed over again.

He went after a big scalp in Clarkson rather than ghe truth of the story.
 

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Excellent article.

And I totally agree for the need for 2 components of the investigation process from here:

1. investigation into the specific events alleged to have happened to players and their families at Hawthorn; and

2. the treatment of First Nations people across the game of Aussie Rules more broadly.

The AFL is not the organisation to be in charge of either.
If it was not for Jackson no one would know or understand the depth of the abuse. AFL, HFC and coaches certainly were not going to tell us.
Unless I've missed something it's gone very quiet from AFL house.
Perhaps they think if they ignore it and don't give it any column inches will go away
 

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To determine if someone is toxic, including if toxic behaviour is systemic within an organisation the arbiter doesn’t pick up a newspaper to obtain the facts …… maybe this happens in your world!!
Nah but they probably go to the source and ask questions
like both the HFC report and Jackson did 😯😯😯
 

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The issue should have been reported.

Jackson was right to report it.

He did a very bad job of it, on multiple levels, that go faaaaaaar beyond how long he gave some of those named to respond.

The framing and construction of his reporting means the whole thing is now an angry and adversarial shitshow.

He's created a situation where those who came to him with gheir stories are very likely going to get screwed over again.

He went after a big scalp in Clarkson rather than ghe truth of the story.
No one goes to the media without knowing what can happen…no one, it was by design to flush the issue into the open.
 
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