NO TROLLS Hawthorn Racism Review - Sensitive issues discussed.

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Link to Hawthorn Statement. - Link to ABC Sports article. - Leaked Report
 
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iameviljez

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I am not saying individuals should not have consequences, just that I dont agree with sanctions against the club.
I think there should be. If Hawthorn hadn't reported it, and it came out some other way (as, admittedly, it already has done), then there would be punishment on the club - and serious punishment at that. Confessing doesn't eliminate that punishment entirely.
 

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I think there should be. If Hawthorn hadn't reported it, and it came out some other way (as, admittedly, it already has done), then there would be punishment on the club - and serious punishment at that. Confessing doesn't eliminate that punishment entirely.
Worksafe Victoria is investigating them.

That's a good place to start re the club vs the individuals named
 

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Yeah early on I was impressed with the content of the thread with the majority of posters acknowledging the need to stamp out racism and having an awareness of this context.


I was naïve to think it would continue that way...

To be fair, some people do have to wait a few days until the folks over at Skynews and The Herald-Sun tell them how to feel about this stuff.
 

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I think there should be. If Hawthorn hadn't reported it, and it came out some other way (as, admittedly, it already has done), then there would be punishment on the club - and serious punishment at that. Confessing doesn't eliminate that punishment entirely.

IF the allegations are substantiated I expect Hawthorn will face punishment. Not as much as the individuals involved will though.
 

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Best news since this started. The afl was never going to be able to handle this. Worksafe deals with workplace issues every day.

Think everyone (even the most dogged North supporters too) agrees that an impartial external investigation is the only real solution, not whatever the AFL thinks is needed as PR or face-saving exercise.
 

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Think everyone (even the most dogged North supporters too) agrees that an impartial external investigation is the only real solution, not whatever the AFL thinks is needed as PR or face-saving exercise.
100%.
The arrogance of the afl is astonishing. We will set up a court of our own with football people.
It should have been referred to worksafe at first sight.
I think it's more likely to be a fair hearing for all participants if its run in an established hearing rather than one made up on a whim.
 

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Hi all - thought I would pop in and see if the truth has come out yet? Hope it has so that we can all condemn based on facts.

Can't wait for you all to come at me with witty lines such as "racist", "Trump supporter " etc.

Note: my skin colour is far from white and I have been discriminated for almost all my life (now in my 50's). I do love to hear 2 sides of a story however before I condemn people.

Carry on.
 

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Hi all - thought I would pop in and see if the truth has come out yet? Hope it has so that we can all condemn based on facts.

Can't wait for you all to come at me with witty lines such as "racist", "Trump supporter " etc.

Note: my skin colour is far from white and I have been discriminated for almost all my life (now in my 50's). I do love to hear 2 sides of a story however before I condemn people.

Carry on.
But you have already condemned people.

You declared this whole thing a stitch up.

You declared that people had been coerced.

You did all that without hearing both sides of the story.



Honestly, you're really adding very little to this discussion.
 

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Worksafe Victoria is investigating them.

That's a good place to start re the club vs the individuals named

Finally Worksafe Victoria has done something. They are notorious for avoiding AFL clubs and the industry. But in this instance they had to act and fair enough.

I'm sure the AFL is pulling strings behind the scenes as much as it can. It will be interesting the makeup of the Worksafe team investigating.
 

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Shut up you bloody leftie
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Obeanie1

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I am not saying individuals should not have consequences, just that I dont agree with sanctions against the club.

Worksafe investigations don't work that way.

Individuals may have been directly involved however the club may have failed in its duty to provide a safe workplace. This may be due to lack of resources provided including cultural training, failure to monitor the behavior of senior managers, failure to provide a system for staff to make anonymous complaints.

Worksafe have experience, processes and checklists to apply to any workplace practices. And both individuals and the employer can be sanctioned.
 

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Worksafe Victoria is investigating them.
That is the investigation to take note of not anything an AFL lead investigations finds.

You need a specialist in workplace matters and in this case Worksafe Victoria is that specialist. Otherwise it smacks of the Bombers internal review that found nothing to see here.
 

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From the truth.

How coach I've got relationship issues. Don't know what to do. Partner is pregnant and I don't think I can handle having a kid. I'm 18 years old and I don't know how to break it off with my partner.

Listen son, life can be hard and having a kid if you're not ready is even harder. Have you and your partner thought about an abortion.

10 YEARS LATER.

"HE WANTED ME TO KILL MY BABY".

Doesn't take an Einstein to work out how the story has morphed.

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Two different families, you’re mixing up the stories.
 

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Finally Worksafe Victoria has done something. They are notorious for avoiding AFL clubs and the industry. But in this instance they had to act and fair enough.

I'm sure the AFL is pulling strings behind the scenes as much as it can. It will be interesting the makeup of the Worksafe team investigating.
It's all rigged! Everything's rigged!
 

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Read a lot about the Kangas board on here so I thought I would drop in for a read. I wish I didn’t . Absolutely stunned at some of the comments on there. Some really offensive material.
Sometimes you need to protect your mental health too. You’ve been through enough, don’t do that to yourself. Know that there are good folk out here that hear you and stand by you. * the others.
 

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Worksafe Victoria is investigating them.

That's a good place to start re the club vs the individuals named
Bear in mind that SafeworkSA 'investigated' the 2018 Adelaide Crows camp in 2021 and found no breaches of SA Occupational Health and Safety Laws. Details of their investigation were not released.

A reminder that any government agency 'investigation' is only as good as the political independence, quality and courage of the investigators and the legislation that empowers them to undertake that investigation.
 

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But you have already condemned people.

You declared this whole thing a stitch up.

You declared that people had been coerced.

You did all that without hearing both sides of the story.



Honestly, you're really adding very little to this discussion.

Your comments are plain wrong and in fact offensive. You're either completely mistaken or deliberately sprouting falsehoods to suit your narrative.

I did say it was a stitch up but only because this is playing out in the media. I want to hear from both sides. At NO point have I commented on the veracity or other of the commentary in the report.

Play fair champ.
 

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Your comments are plain wrong and in fact offensive. You're either completely mistaken or deliberately sprouting falsehoods to suit your narrative.

I did say it was a stitch up but only because this is playing out in the media. I want to hear from both sides. At NO point have I commented on the veracity or other of the commentary in the report.

Play fair champ.


Oh the irony!
 
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