Hawthorn Reserves/Box Hill historical stats thread

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Thought I might start a thread on the Hawthorn Reserves and Box Hill seasons from the beginning -1925 onwards.

I'll put up the scores for each season, where we finished, the available goalkickers, and who featured in the best players.

Probably won't be much to discuss until we get to the more recent seasons, but I'll keep plugging them up and people can comment whenever they like.

 

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1925 Hawthorn Reserves

Res Hawks v		For		Ag	W / L	By
1 v  Rich	7.19	61	13.25	103	Lost	-42
2 v  St K	5.11	41	12.17	89	Lost	-48
3 v  Coll	5.12	42	11.16	82	Lost	-40
4 v  Carl	11.11	77	13.11	89	Lost	-12
5 v  Foots	8.8	56	9.8	62	Lost	-6
6 v  Nth	12.11	83	14.11	95	Lost	-12
7 v  Geel	8.9	57	8.9	57	Drawn	0
8 v  Ess	5.5	35	14.10	94	Lost	-59
9 v  Sth	8.3	51	17.10	112	Lost	-61
10 v  Fitz	5.7	37	12.14	86	Lost	-49
11 v  Melb	8.10	58	3.19	37	Won	21
12 v  Rich	4.11	35	19.7	121	Lost	-86
13 v  St K	9.9	63	10.9	69	Lost	-6
14 v  Coll	3.7	25	21.21	147	Lost	-122
15 v  Carl	7.7	49	12.12	84	Lost	-35
16 v  Foots	9.7	61	10.9	69	Lost	-8
17 v  Nth	5.6	36	18.14	122	Lost	-86

One win, fifteen losses and a draw saw Hawthorn finish last on the reserves ladder (12 teams). A rather unhappy first season!

Our average score of 51 is still the lowest average we've had in the reserves competition. However our feeble percentage of 57.1 would eventually be worsed.

Goal kickers were provided for only 10 of the 17 games, so 43 goals are unaccounted for. The remaining are:

?		43
Keary, Pat	11
Wilson		9
Owens		8
Yole, L		7
Eiser		6
Hyde, Albert	6
Fulling		4
Elliman, Dave	3
Greensbury	3
Thwary, P	3
Young		3
Carey, F	2
Hulse		2
Keary, F	2
Maple		2
Boothman, Jack	1
Higgins		1
Jenkins		1
Officer, Bert	1
Sellers, Bob	1

Best players were also not listed in the papers for 7 rounds, but of the remaining 10 matches that were, Jack Boothman feaured in the best players 8 times, 3 of those as Hawthorn's best player. Boothman would not debut for Hawthorn until 1927, and just played the 2 games.

Others to feature in the best multiple times were Albert Hyde, who debuted for Hawthorn mid season and went on to win the Hawks senior goalkicking the following 5 seasons, and Bob Sellers, who would wn the HFC B&F in 1928.

 

[Dixie Flatline]

Gee, the Melbourne reserves would have been furious - or going to the snow, one or the other.

Looking forward to this.

 

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1926:

Res Hawks v		For		Ag	W / L	By
1 v  Carl	8.12	60	16.15	111	Lost	-51
2 v  Nth	10.10	70	13.13	91	Lost	-21
3 v  Coll	7.13	55	11.6	72	Lost	-17
4 v  Rich	11.10	76	11.11	77	Lost	-1
5 v  Foots	7.14	56	11.14	80	Lost	-24
6 v  St K	4.16	40	8.16	64	Lost	-24
7 v  Fitz	8.14	62	8.9	57	Won	5
8 v  Geel	3.4	22	11.27	93	Lost	-71
9 v  Melb	4.4	28	4.18	42	Lost	-14
10 v  Sth	10.6	66	13.20	98	Lost	-32
11 v  Ess	11.11	77	17.15	117	Lost	-40
12 v  Carl	9.7	61	16.22	118	Lost	-57
13 v  Nth	8.11	59	18.12	120	Lost	-61
14 v  Coll	12.12	84	13.7	85	Lost	-1
15 v  Rich	10.11	71	19.16	130	Lost	-59
16 v  Foots	12.15	87	4.14	38	Won	49
17 v  St K	10.21	81	10.7	67	Won	14
18 v  Melb	8.11	59	9.7	61	Lost	-2

3 wins, 15 losses meant a finish of 11th out of 12.

Goalkickers from rounds 3, 5 and 17 unavailable:

?			24
Officer, Bert		24	
Brown, Fred		11	
Francis, Jack		11	
Hulse			11
Trafford, Bernie	11		
Gough, Lew		7	
Henry, Bill		7	
Scully			5
Lynch			4
Murphy, Pat		4	
Boothman, Jack		3	
Corry, Ivan		3	
Bateman			2
Donnellan, Frank	2		
Drake, Jack		2	
James, Syd V.		2	
Ryan			2
Stewart, 		2	
Aitcheson		1	
Belzer			1
Bullen, Horrie		1	
Carbarns, J		1	
Carbarns, Les		1	
Copley			1
Crozier, Alec		1	
Douglas			1
Gill, Jack		1	
Lyan			1
McCulloch, Leo		1	
Millard, Alby		1	
Smith, Don		1	
Sullivan, Phil		1	
Williams, Wal		1

Players named in bests (complete). Not one was named our best player more than once:

Player		In Bests	Best Plyr	
Boothman, Jack		10	1	
Murphy, Pat		9	1	
Officer, Bert		9	1	
McCulloch, Leo		6	1	
Sullivan, Phil		7	1	
Scully			4	1
Brown, Fred		5		
Hulse			5	
Nott, Cyril		5	1	
Millard, Alby		4	1	
Drake, Jack		5		
Williams, Wal		4	1	
Larkin, Martin		5		
Trafford, Bernie	3	1		
Scott			4	1
Carbarns, Les		3	1	
Corry, Ivan		3		
Ennis, Mick		3	1	
Ryan			2	
Crozier, Alec		3	1	
Keary, Pat		1	1	
Brown, Bill J.		1		
Bullen, Horrie		1		
James, Syd V.		2		
Francis, Jack		1	1	
MacLaren		1		
Ray			1	
Utting, Ernest		1	1	
Whitely, Charlie	1			
Bateman			2	
Calwell, Bert		1		
Logan, Dick		1	1	
Young			1	
Henry, Bill		2		
Gough, Lew		1		
Donovan, Roy		2		
Smith, Don		1		
Aitcheson		1		
Douglas			1

Rover Jack Boothman again featured prominently in the best players, as did defender Pat Murphy. Both these guys would debut the following year for HFC, but have very short senior careers.

Bert Officer played a consistent season up forward in the reserves after playing in HFC's inaugural match the year before.

 

[grizzlym]

Crikeys, like a Time Capsule. Great work.

 

[rdhopkins2]

Nice first up project and new initiative! That is sure to keep you busy!

 

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1927:

Res Hawks v		For		Ag	W / L	By
1 v  St K	10.17	77	7.4	46	Won	31
2 v  Coll	6.10	46	10.20	80	Lost	-34
3 v  Foots	5.12	42	5.6	36	Won	6
4 v  Nth	11.14	80	11.12	78	Won	2
5 v  Carl	3.4	22	8.11	59	Lost	-37
6 v  Melb	12.8	80	14.14	98	Lost	-18
7 v  Fitz	7.10	52	12.9	81	Lost	-29
8 v  Geel	5.18	48	8.14	62	Lost	-14
9 v  Rich	6.8	44	10.10	70	Lost	-26
10 v  Sth	7.9	51	11.10	76	Lost	-25
11 v  Ess	6.8	44	14.14	98	Lost	-54
12 v  St K	10.7	67	11.13	79	Lost	-12
13 v  Coll	6.15	51	13.9	87	Lost	-36
14 v  Foots	7.6	48	18.15	123	Lost	-75
15 v  Nth	9.13	67	11.15	81	Lost	-14
16 v  Carl	4.5	29	25.26	176	Lost	-147
17 v  Melb	6.14	50	6.12	48	Won	2
18 v  Rich	5.12	42	28.20	188	Lost	-146

4 wins (3 by a goal or less, and the last one sandwiched between two massive thumpings) and 14 losses had us bolting up to 10th on the ladder.

Goalkickers from rounds 2, 6 & 14 were unavailable, but the rest looked like this:

?			25
Withers, Dave		17	
Graham, George		16	
Ashby, Bert		10	
Wilson			8
Yelland, Merv		8	
Carbarns, Les		6	
Scully			6
Young			4
Crozier, Alec		3	
McCaffrey		3	
Millard, Alby		3	
Burke, Paddy		2	
McCulloch, E		2	
McMahon			2
Craig			1
Drake, Jack		1	
Finch, Fred		1	
Gough, Lew		1	
Goullet, Ralph		1	
Henry, Bill		1	
McComb, Bert		1	
McRae, Godfrey		1	
Waterhouse		1	
Williams, Wal		1

Best players were unavailable for rounds 6 & 14, the rest:

Player			In best	Our BOG
Finch, Fred		11	3	
Millard, Alby		11	3	
Crozier, Alec		8	1	
Goullet, Ralph		6	1	
Murphy, Frank J.	4	2		
Burke, Paddy		3	1	
Craig			5	
Yelland, Merv		4	1	
McCulloch, E		4		
Drake, Jack		3		
McCrae, Godfrey		3		
Black, Ron		2	1	
Ashby, Bert		4		
McCaffrey		4		
Townley, Harry		3		
Boothman, Jack		2	1	
Johnson			3	
Withers, Dave		3		
Thomas, Frank		1	1	
Henry, Bill		2		
Calwell, Bert		1	1	
Priestley, Addis	1			
Gill, Jack		1		
May			1	
McCullock, S		1		
Murphy, Pat C.		1		
Carbarns, Les		1		
Graham, George		1		
Scully			2	
Wilson			2	
McComb, Bert		1		
McCulloch, L		1		
O'Sullivan		1		
Ennis, Mick		1		
Middleton		1

Fred Finch, the 1925 B&F winner, found himself playing the majority of the 1927 season (his last at Hawthorn) in the reserves where he performed well. Alby Millard also had a strong season for the ressies, but couldn't add to his 1 senior game from 1926.

Dave Withers did enough in front of the sticks to be put on the senior list the following season. He went on the play 11 games and boot 18 goals over the following 3 seasons for the Hawks.

 

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1928:

Res Hawks v		For		Ag	W / L	By
1 v  St K	11.10	76	12.17	89	Lost	-13
2 v  Nth	6.10	46	8.13	61	Lost	-15
3 v  Carl	4.5	29	14.8	92	Lost	-63
4 v  Coll	6.8	44	9.16	70	Lost	-26
5 v  Melb	9.17	71	7.5	47	Won	24
6 v  Foots	11.12	78	5.12	42	Won	36
7 v  Ess	8.5	53	10.16	76	Lost	-23
8 v  Geel	9.11	65	11.13	79	Lost	-14
9 v  Fitz	6.9	45	9.22	76	Lost	-31
10 v  Rich	7.7	49	7.8	50	Lost	-1
11 v  Sth	6.12	48	8.17	65	Lost	-17
12 v  St K	7.12	54	5.16	46	Won	8
13 v  Nth	7.14	56	8.11	59	Lost	-3
14 v  Melb	17.16	118	8.13	61	Won	57
15 v  Carl	11.14	80	27.18	180	Lost	-100
16 v  Coll	2.11	23	16.22	118	Lost	-95
17 v  Foots	10.12	72	12.11	83	Lost	-11
18 v  Ess	6.7	43	18.22	130	Lost	-87

4 wins was the equal of our best, and our percentage of 73.7 was our best. However all that still resulted in another wooden spoon - position 12th of 12.

Goalkickers unavailable rounds 1, 5, 15 & 16.

?			33
Withers, Dave		27	
Ashby, Bert		18	
Petrie, Stan		11	
Wilson			10
Carbarns, Les		7	
Ashley, A		4	
Donovan			4
Tucker			4
Jordan			3
Yelland, Merv		3	
Young			3
Finch, Fred		2	
Lester, Fred		2	
Logan, Dick		2	
McComb, Bert		2	
Bell			1
Brearley		1	
Chesterman		1	
Fairley, Rolland	1		
Milsom			1
Popjoy			1
Quartermain, Allan	1		
Stewart, Stuart		1

Best players unavailable rounds 5 & 15.

Player			In best	Our BOG
Young			10	1
Donovan			9	2
Quartermain, Allan	9	1		
Tucker			6	
Woolf, Willie		6	1	
Larkins			5	
Ashby, Bert		4		
Brady, Rob		4	1	
Carbarns, Les		4	1	
Hall			4	1
Hayhow, Syd		4	1	
Withers, Dave		4		
Craig			3	2
Finch, Fred		3		
Lathlain, Wally		3		
Murphy, Frank J.	3			
Yelland, Merv		3		
Keary, Pat		2	2	
Logan, Dick		2		
McComb, Bert		2		
Nugent, A		2	1	
Petrie, Stan		2		
Stewart, Stuart		2		
Ashley, A		1		
Bradley			1	
Carey, Bill		1		
Curtain			1	
Davidson		1		
Fairley, Rolland	1			
Gill, Jack		1		
Hawkins			1	
Lethlean, C		1		
Murphy, Pat C.		1	1	
Oakley, S		1		
O'Brien, Dermot		1	1	
Quick			1	
Switch			1	
Wilson			1

Dave Withers had another good season at full forward, his performance enough to earn him a Hawthorn debut in round 16. He played the last 3 games there, kicking 8 goals.

Rover Allan Quartermain had a good season for the Hawks Reserves. Only 15 years old, he would wait until 1932 to debut for Hawthorn but after such a long wait in the reserves, he only manage the 2 games. Perhaps Steve is a distant relative and has held a grudge as a result.

The interstingly named Vin 'Willie' Woolf, a full back, managed 8 games for the Hawks in 1928, before adding another 2 in 1931.

 

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1929:

Res Hawks v		For		Ag	W / L	By
1 v  St K	4.9	33	6.8	44	Lost	-11
2 v  Coll	14.13	97	19.26	140	Lost	-43
3 v  Carl	16.19	115	18.14	122	Lost	-7
4 v  Ess	9.10	64	10.10	70	Lost	-6
5 v  Rich	3.6	24	13.16	94	Lost	-70
6 v  Foots	10.17	77	10.13	73	Won	4
7 v  Sth	4.9	33	15.16	106	Lost	-73
8 v  Geel	8.8	56	11.7	73	Lost	-17
9 v  Fitz	8.11	59	18.20	128	Lost	-69
10 v  Nth	12.13	85	12.5	77	Won	8
11 v  Melb	6.12	48	11.10	76	Lost	-28
12 v  St K	8.5	53	14.23	107	Lost	-54
13 v  Coll	8.14	62	9.8	62	Drawn	0
14 v  Carl	5.12	42	11.18	84	Lost	-42
15 v  Ess	7.9	51	17.11	113	Lost	-62
16 v  Rich	8.6	54	25.14	164	Lost	-110
17 v  Foots	8.9	57	16.9	105	Lost	-48
18 v  Sth	5.7	37	10.20	80	Lost	-43

2 wins, 15 losses and a draw saw the Hawks again collect the spoon, finishing 12th of 12.

Goalkickers rounds 2, 11 & 13 unavailable.

?			28
Withers, Dave		28	
Francis, Jim		13	
Jordan			8
Kirchener		8	
Stapleton		5	
West, Fred W.		5	
Gramlech		4	
Bradley			3
Chandler, Allan		3	
Hall			3
Rae			3
Ryan, Jack L.		3	
Southern		3	
Carbarns, Les		2	
Crozier, Alec		2	
Smith			2
Stewart, Stuart		2	
Whitlock		2	
Ashby, Bert		1	
Barker, Fred		1	
Barker, W		1	
Benney			1
Buiney			1
Cole			1
Craig			1
Davidson		1	
Gill, Jack		1	
Harris, John D.		1	
McNaughton		1	
Mills, Don		1	
Nugent, A		1	
O'Brien, Dermot		1	
Williams, Richard	1		
Young			1

Best players unavailbale rounds 11 & 13.

Player			In best	Our BOG
Mills, Don		8	3	
Hayhow, Syd		8		
Black, Ron		6		
Rae			5	1
Williams, Richard	4	3		
Withers, Dave		4	1	
Francis, Jim		6	1	
Hall			4	
Stewart, Stuart		3	2	
West, Fred W.		3	1	
Gramlech		6		
Lathlain, Wally		3	1	
Southern		3		
Chandler, Allan		3	1	
Carbarns, Les		4		
Barker, Fred		3		
Bradley			3	
Davidson		4		
Jordan			2	
Cole			2	
Craig			2	
Murphy, Leo		2		
Carey, Bill		1		
Gill, Jack		1	1	
Nelson			1	1
Barker, W		1		
Carter			1	
McComb, Bert		1		
Kirchener		2		
Finch, Fred		1		
Stapleton		1		
Wilson			1	
Ainsworth		1		
Atkinson		1		
Nugent, A		1		
Jones, Les		1		
McNaughton		1		
Way			1

Don Mills was a half back flanker who was too good for reserves level but failed to set the world alight in senior footy. Syd Hayhow was another backman who had a good year, but would not add to his 6 games for Hawthorn in 1928. Withers had another good season at full forward - given he played 7 games for Hawthorn, his 28+ goals for the reserves was a good return, and included a 7 goal haul in round 3.

 

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1930:

Res Hawks v		For		Ag	W / L	By
1 v  St K	7.11	53	11.17	83	Lost	-30
2 v  Coll	11.11	77	14.13	97	Lost	-20
3 v  Carl	10.6	66	15.19	109	Lost	-43
4 v  Ess	11.12	78	13.14	92	Lost	-14
5 v  Rich	9.13	67	12.7	79	Lost	-12
6 v  Foots	7.11	53	9.11	65	Lost	-12
7 v  Sth	8.11	59	7.14	56	Won	3
8 v  Geel	3.3	21	17.11	113	Lost	-92
9 v  Fitz	14.11	95	9.13	67	Won	28
10 v  Nth	5.8	38	8.22	70	Lost	-32
11 v  Melb	14.8	92	13.13	91	Won	1
12 v  Rich	11.9	75	8.18	66	Won	9
13 v  Foots	9.25	79	9.14	68	Won	11
14 v  Sth	6.1	37	13.10	88	Lost	-51
15 v  Geel	9.8	62	20.17	137	Lost	-75
16 v  Fitz	7.14	56	17.13	115	Lost	-59
17 v  Nth	15.10	100	10.7	67	Won	33
18 v  Melb	8.10	58	8.4	52	Won	6

The Hawks best season to date in the reserves saw 7 wins from 18 starts and found the Hawks' ressies soaring to a finish of 8th, winning three consecutive matches for the first time along the way.

10 goals round 3 unavailable:

Ryan, Jack L.		32	
Ashby, Bert		25	
?			10
Withers, Dave		10	
Kirchener		8	
Aitchison, Ern		7	
Mort, Harry		7	
Ashley, A		6	
Logan, Dick		6	
Meeking			6
Murphy, Leo		6	
Southern		4	
Gramlech		3	
Hansen, Fred		3	
Sharpley, Keith		3	
Carbarns, Les		2	
Craig			2
Davies, Reg		2	
Hills			2
Hope			2
Keary, F		2	
Pool, Ted		2	
Sellers, Bob		2	
Shiels			2
Aitcheson, B		1	
Francis, Jim		1	
Francis, Syd		1	
Frecker, Artie		1	
Jones, Les		1	
Lathlain, Wally		1	
Robson			1
Salter			1
Veitch, Jim		1	
Woolf, Willie		1

Best players from round 3 unavailable:

Player			In best	Our BOG
Hansen, Fred		7		
Veitch, Jim		7	2	
Keary, Pat		6	3	
Moloney, Dan		6	1	
Gramlech		5	1	
Ryan, Jack L.		5	1	
Woolf, Willie		5		
Ashby, Bert		4	3	
Kirchener		4		
Logan, Dick		4	2	
Meeking			4	
Mulavin, Reg		4		
Carbarns, Les		3		
Williams, Lyall		3		
Aitchison, Ern		2		
Ashley, A		2		
Davies, Reg		2		
Francis, Jim		2		
Garside, Ted		2	1	
Hall			2	1
Lathlain, Wally		2		
Mills, Arthur		2		
Mort, Harry		2		
Murphy, Leo		2		
Sellers, Bob		2	1	
Barker, Fred		1		
Becker			1	
Carey, Bill		1		
Flanagan, Jack		1		
Lunn, Bennie		1		
Mansfield		1		
Mills, Don		1		
Patrick			1	
Pool, Ted		1		
Salter			1	
Sharpley, Keith		1	1	
Southern		1		
Stewart, Stuart		1		
Withers, Dave		1

Jack Ryan was a tiny forward pocket specialist, just 165cm. As well as booting 32 goals in 7 games for the reserves (including an 8-goal haul against North in round 17), he snagged 16 for the seniors. He finshed up playing 70 senior games for Hawthorn and kickng 142 goals, leading the Hawks goalkicking in 1931 and 1932. Bert Ashby managed 25 goals for the reserves in 1930, including a bag of 7 against Fitzroy in round 9. He was at Hawthorn for 8 seasons, for a total of just 25 senior games. Fred Hansen was a rover who'd come across from the Bulldogs. Despite his good form in the seconds he played just the 1 match for Hawthorn.

One more name of interest is Leo Murphy. Murphy showed enough form in the ressies to earn a debut for Hawthorn in round 13. He never looked back, playing 132 games for the Hawks, taking out the most consistent player award in 1932 and winning the Best & Fairest in 1936 and 1937.

 

[bards]

Hi Stemline, where are you getting all the info from. I spoke to Peter Haby awhile ago about reserves data and he said it was very much a future project / work in progress, and was going to involve going through papers etc. I offered to assist, but didnt hear anything else. I'd love to get a list of players that have played at least one reserves game.

 

[dermott]

1930:

Res Hawks v		For		Ag	W / L	By
1 v  St K	7.11	53	11.17	83	Lost	-30
2 v  Coll	11.11	77	14.13	97	Lost	-20
3 v  Carl	10.6	66	15.19	109	Lost	-43
4 v  Ess	11.12	78	13.14	92	Lost	-14
5 v  Rich	9.13	67	12.7	79	Lost	-12
6 v  Foots	7.11	53	9.11	65	Lost	-12
7 v  Sth	8.11	59	7.14	56	Won	3
8 v  Geel	3.3	21	17.11	113	Lost	-92
9 v  Fitz	14.11	95	9.13	67	Won	28
10 v  Nth	5.8	38	8.22	70	Lost	-32
11 v  Melb	14.8	92	13.13	91	Won	1
12 v  Rich	11.9	75	8.18	66	Won	9
13 v  Foots	9.25	79	9.14	68	Won	11
14 v  Sth	6.1	37	13.10	88	Lost	-51
15 v  Geel	9.8	62	20.17	137	Lost	-75
16 v  Fitz	7.14	56	17.13	115	Lost	-59
17 v  Nth	15.10	100	10.7	67	Won	33
18 v  Melb	8.10	58	8.4	52	Won	6

The Hawks best season to date in the reserves saw 7 wins from 18 starts and found the Hawks' ressies soaring to a finish of 8th, winning three consecutive matches for the first time along the way.

10 goals round 3 unavailable:

Ryan, Jack L.		32	
Ashby, Bert		25	
?			10
Withers, Dave		10	
Kirchener		8	
Aitchison, Ern		7	
Mort, Harry		7	
Ashley, A		6	
Logan, Dick		6	
Meeking			6
Murphy, Leo		6	
Southern		4	
Gramlech		3	
Hansen, Fred		3	
Sharpley, Keith		3	
Carbarns, Les		2	
Craig			2
Davies, Reg		2	
Hills			2
Hope			2
Keary, F		2	
Pool, Ted		2	
Sellers, Bob		2	
Shiels			2
Aitcheson, B		1	
Francis, Jim		1	
Francis, Syd		1	
Frecker, Artie		1	
Jones, Les		1	
Lathlain, Wally		1	
Robson			1
Salter			1
Veitch, Jim		1	
Woolf, Willie		1

Best players from round 3 unavailable:

Player			In best	Our BOG
Hansen, Fred		7		
Veitch, Jim		7	2	
Keary, Pat		6	3	
Moloney, Dan		6	1	
Gramlech		5	1	
Ryan, Jack L.		5	1	
Woolf, Willie		5		
Ashby, Bert		4	3	
Kirchener		4		
Logan, Dick		4	2	
Meeking			4	
Mulavin, Reg		4		
Carbarns, Les		3		
Williams, Lyall		3		
Aitchison, Ern		2		
Ashley, A		2		
Davies, Reg		2		
Francis, Jim		2		
Garside, Ted		2	1	
Hall			2	1
Lathlain, Wally		2		
Mills, Arthur		2		
Mort, Harry		2		
Murphy, Leo		2		
Sellers, Bob		2	1	
Barker, Fred		1		
Becker			1	
Carey, Bill		1		
Flanagan, Jack		1		
Lunn, Bennie		1		
Mansfield		1		
Mills, Don		1		
Patrick			1	
Pool, Ted		1		
Salter			1	
Sharpley, Keith		1	1	
Southern		1		
Stewart, Stuart		1		
Withers, Dave		1

Jack Ryan was a tiny forward pocket specialist, just 165cm. As well as booting 32 goals in 7 games for the reserves, he snagged 16 for the seniors. He finshed up playing 70 senior games for Hawthorn and kickng 142 goals, leading the Hawks goalkicking in 1931 and 1932. Bert Ashby managed 25 goals for the reserves in 1930. He was at Hawthorn for 8 season, for a total of just 25 senior games. Fred Hansen was a rover who'd come across from the Bulldogs. Despite his good form in the seconds he played just the 1 match for Hawthorn.

One more name of interest is Leo Murphy. Murphy showed enough form in the ressies to earn a debut for Hawthorn in round 13. He never looked back, playing 132 games for the Hawks, taking out the most consistent player award in 1932 and winning the Best & Fairest in 1936 and 1937.

Of more interest is that Leo Murphy is the father of Fitzroy champion John Murphy and grandfather of Carlton midfielder Marc Murphy. The ones that got away.
I don't think he is any relation to Tom.

 

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Hi Stemline, where are you getting all the info from. I spoke to Peter Haby awhile ago about reserves data and he said it was very much a future project / work in progress, and was going to involve going through papers etc. I offered to assist, but didnt hear anything else. I'd love to get a list of players that have played at least one reserves game.

Pretty much all grabbed from the online newspaper archives, with the gaps filled in with trips to the state library to view the microfilm. Up until the mid-50's it's a bit hit and miss with regards to goalkickers and best players. Through the war years only the scores were reported.

I've sent the complete list of Hawthorn reserves scores to Peter, he was grateful for that.

 

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1931:

Res Hawks v		For		Ag	W / L	By
1 v  Foots	9.17	71	4.17	41	Won	30
2 v  Coll	4.9	33	17.16	118	Lost	-85
3 v  St K	12.11	83	13.11	89	Lost	-6
4 v  Melb	8.9	57	20.19	139	Lost	-82
5 v  Sth	6.15	51	12.17	89	Lost	-38
6 v  Rich	10.6	66	6.10	46	Won	20
7 v  Ess	8.9	57	14.19	103	Lost	-46
8 v  Fitz	8.18	66	12.12	84	Lost	-18
9 v  Geel	9.10	64	19.11	125	Lost	-61
10 v  Nth	9.13	67	5.6	36	Won	31
11 v  Carl	4.21	45	5.19	49	Lost	-4
12 v  Foots	9.2	56	6.13	49	Won	7
13 v  Coll	8.10	58	12.9	81	Lost	-23
14 v  St K	9.9	63	12.14	86	Lost	-23
15 v  Melb	4.6	30	12.21	93	Lost	-63
16 v  Sth	9.13	67	4.5	29	Won	38
17 v  Rich	7.18	60	11.22	88	Lost	-28
18 v  Ess	4.9	33	16.19	115	Lost	-82

5 wins was enough to stave off another wooden spoon but 11th place of 12 was the end result.

4 goals from round 2 unavailable:

Storey, Alan		27	
Ashby, Bert		16	
Aitchison, Jack		10	
Chandler, Bert		10	
Daffey, Mark		9	
Green			8
?			4
Aitchison, Ern		4	
Carbarns, Les		4	
Robson, S		4	
Sellers, Bob		4	
Alessio			3
Hyde, Bert		3	
Pierce			3
Stewart, Frank		3	
Stewart, Stuart		4	
Wickham, Merv		3	
Francis, Syd		2	
Grogan			2
Lowther-Clark		2	
Neales			2
O'Brien, N. Jack	2		
Campbell		1	
Coates			1
Craig			1
Gramlech		1	
Meade, Les		1	
Meehan, Joe		1	
Pearce, F		1	
Williams, Lyall		1

Best players (complete)

Player			In best	Our BOG
Aitchison, Ern		8	4	
Aitchison, Jack		7	2	
Moloney, Dan		6		
Woolf, Willie		6	1	
Dodd, Rupe		5	2	
Pearce, F		5		
Sellers, Bob		5		
Daffey, Mark		4	1	
Pierce			4	
Spinks, Stan		4	1	
Stewart, Frank		4	1	
Alessio			3	1
Ashby, Bert		3	1	
Chandler, Bert		3		
Fisher, Stan		3	1	
Garside, Ted		3		
Robson, S		3		
Stewart, Alex D.	3	2		
Williams, E. Lyall	3			
Gramlech		2		
Meehan, Joe		2	1	
Neales			2	
Storey, Alan		2		
Williams, Irvan		2		
Craig			1	
Mills, Don		1		
Robson, N		1		
Stewart, Stuart		1		
Sumpton			1	
Veitch, Jim		1		
Wickham, Merv		1		
Williams, D		1		
Williams, J		1

The Aitchison brothers dominated the best players for the Hawks Reserves. A half back flanker, Ern debuted for the Hawks in round 14, but was dropped again after round 15 and didn't play again, depsite 2 more years of strong performances in the reserves. Jack, a rover, would have to wait until 1935 to make his Hawthorn debut. He played a solitary game.

Alan Story topped the goalkickers. He was a CHF who, in calendar years, must have had one of the longest spanning Hawthorn careers for least return. He debuted for Hawthorn in round 1 1932, and played his last game in 1944, but totalled just 15 games. In truth, he wasn't actually at the club for 7 of those 13 seasons.

Another name of note is Stan Spinks. Primarily a centreman, the 171cm Spinks played well enough in his reserves outings to earn a debut for Hawthorn in round 18, the last round of 1931. He would go on to play 143 games for Hawthorn, winning the Best & Fairest in 1932 and 1938, and compiling 78 Brownlow votes along the way, a total no other Hawk reached until Peter Hudson came along.

 

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1932:

Res Hawks v		For		Ag	W / L	By
1 v  Coll	6.7	43	10.13	73	Lost	-30
2 v  St K	8.21	69	11.9	75	Lost	-6
3 v  Melb	9.9	63	17.17	119	Lost	-56
4 v  Carl	6.10	46	13.9	87	Lost	-41
5 v  Rich	6.10	46	10.8	68	Lost	-22
6 v  Sth	2.8	20	15.10	100	Lost	-80
7 v  Ess	7.12	54	10.14	74	Lost	-20
8 v  Fitz	7.15	57	10.10	70	Lost	-13
9 v  Geel	9.10	64	18.16	124	Lost	-60
10 v  Nth	7.16	58	11.15	81	Lost	-23
11 v  Foots	9.13	67	16.12	108	Lost	-41
12 v  Coll	8.7	55	9.8	62	Lost	-7
13 v  St K	9.14	68	16.9	105	Lost	-37
14 v  Melb	6.10	46	11.18	84	Lost	-38
15 v  Carl	3.11	29	10.11	71	Lost	-42
16 v  Rich	4.8	32	17.19	121	Lost	-89
17 v  Sth	7.12	54	10.15	75	Lost	-21
18 v  Ess	7.11	53	12.15	87	Lost	-34

Not a happy year in Hawthorn's history. A winless season and a spoon for the reserves to go with the senior team's winless season and spoon. To top it off the Ressies set their new lowest score in round 6.

Goals (complete):

Sambell			15
Aitchison, Ern		13	
Murdoch, Bob		10	
Williams, Bob		7	
Clarke			6
Francis, Syd		6	
Chandler, Bert		5	
Quartermain, Allan	5		
Gramlech		4	
Meehan, Joe		4	
Carey, Bill		3	
Drake			3
Gault			3
Hyde, Bert		3	
Walker			3
Coller			2
Fleming, Keith		2	
Green			2
Johnson, Harvey		2	
Keary, Pat		2	
Logan, Dick		2	
Morgan, Alec		2	
Sellers, Bob		2	
Tanzel			2
Bambrick		1	
Bennett, George		1	
Bloy			1
Buckney, Hilton		1	
Dower, George		1	
Edwards			1
Irving			1
Luckins, Frank		1	
Marshall		1	
Morgan, E		1	
Pierce			1
Streyh			1

Best players (complete):

Players			In best	Our BOG
Aitchison, Ern		8	2	
Logan, Dick		8	2	
Veitch, Jim		7		
Francis, Syd		6	1	
Meehan, Joe		6	2	
Mills, Don		6	1	
Dodd, Rupe		5	1	
Clarke			4	
Gault			4	
Morgan, Alec		4		
Nelson			4	1
Quartermain, Allan	4	1		
Cameron, Lochie		3	1	
Irving			3	
Johnson, Harvey		3	1	
Spinks, Stan		3	1	
Bennett, George		2	1	
Campbell, G		2		
Carbarns, Les		2		
Drake			2	
Fleming, Keith		2		
Moloney, Dan		2	2	
Sharpley, J		2		
Stewart, Stuart		2		
Blay			1	
Buckney, Hilton		1		
Chandler, Bert		1		
Coller			1	
Corry, Ivan		1		
Flanagan, Jack		1		
Godfrey			1	
Gramlech		1		
Hyde, Bert		1		
Jamison			1	
Marshall		1		
Murdoch, Bob		1		
Pierce			1	
Sambell			1	
Sandilands		1	1	
Wills, D		1		
Woolf, Willie		1

Some names of interest include Bob Williams, who despite not being named in the best players for the reserves, debuted for Hawthorn in the final round of the season. Oddly, he missed the entire 1933 season before playing the first two rounds of 1934 and the remainder in the reserves. Half way through 1935 he was elevated again and didn't look back, playing a total of 136 games and captaining the Hawks in 1943.

Dick Logan had played his last game for Hawthorn in 1930, but stuck around for a couple of seasons in the reserves, playing some sensational footy on the wing. So good was his form in 1932, he was awarded the Gardiner Medal for the best player in the Reserves Competition.

George Dower's career began inauspiciously in the reserves in 1932, but he went on to become a terrific player for the Hawks, playing 100 games between 1933 and 1940, most of them at CHB where he was regularly named in the Hawks' best. He earned state representation 3 times and won the Hawks most consistent award in 1937.

 

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1933:

Res Hawks v		For		Ag	W / L	By
1 v  St K	18.12	120	11.16	82	Won	38
2 v  Carl	14.8	92	12.12	84	Won	8
3 v  Nth	14.18	102	5.6	36	Won	66
4 v  Foots	11.9	75	10.16	76	Lost	-1
5 v  Rich	10.18	78	8.6	54	Won	24
6 v  Sth	10.11	71	10.9	69	Won	2
7 v  Ess	8.7	55	8.9	57	Lost	-2
8 v  Fitz	11.9	75	9.10	64	Won	11
9 v  Geel	11.10	76	12.12	84	Lost	-8
10 v  Coll	13.10	88	13.16	94	Lost	-6
11 v  Melb	8.12	60	11.14	80	Lost	-20
12 v  St K	8.15	63	13.14	92	Lost	-29
13 v  Carl	12.13	85	11.18	84	Won	1
14 v  Nth	8.13	61	8.8	56	Won	5
15 v  Foots	13.6	84	10.16	76	Won	8
16 v  Rich	5.9	39	2.12	24	Won	15
17 v  Sth	20.10	130	12.8	80	Won	50
18 v  Ess	15.11	101	7.12	54	Won	47

After the Reserves' worst season in 1932, from nowhere came a 12 win, 6 loss season and a surge up the ladder to 5th in 1933. 4th placed St Kilda had a superior percentage, thus Hawthorn's first ever finals match went begging by a few percent.

The Ressies set a new high score in round 1, and bettered it in round 17. A new Greatest Wining Margin was also set, in round 3. The end percentage of 116.8 would not be bettered for another 23 years.

28 goals from 3 rounds unavailable:

?			28
Cordner, Larry		26	
Hillard, Norm		18	
Utting, Ern		14	
Aitchison, Ern		12	
Daffey, Mark		12	
Geary, Brian		11	
Chandler, Bert		9	
Ryan, Jack L.		8	
Bravo, Steve		7	
Sharpley, Jack		6	
Dower, George		5	
Haskett			5
McGillivray, Charlie	5		
Sambell			5
Allison, Neil		4	
Barnett			4
Lonsdale, Clarrie	4		
Veitch, Jim		4	
Ware, Wally		4	
Hammond, Bob S.		3	
White, Jack F.		3	
Wickham, Merv		3	
Quartermain, Allan	2		
Spinks, Stan		2	
Alton			1
Dunkley			1
Gramlech		1	
Irving			1
Woolf, Willie		1

Best Players (complete):

Player			In best	Our BOG
Utting, Ern		12	1	
Aitchison, Ern		10		
Allison, Neil		8	2	
Denier			8	
Bravo, Steve		6		
Sharpley, Jack		6		
Veitch, Jim		6		
Zander, Jack		6	2	
Dower, George		5	3	
Geary, Brian		5	1	
Barr			4	
Cordner, Larry		4	1	
Daffey, Mark		4		
Donovan, D		4	1	
Chandler, Bert		3		
Barnett			2	1
Bennett, George		2	2	
Clements, Leo		2		
Farrelly, Geoff		2		
Francis, Syd		2		
McGillivray, Charlie	2	1		
Sharpley, Keith		2		
Booth			1	
Davey			1	
Hammond, Bob S.		1	1	
Haskett			1	
Hillard, Norm		1		
Lee, Alex		1		
Lonsdale, Clarrie	1	1		
Loveless, Ernie		1	1	
Meehan, Joe		1		
Moloney, Dan		1		
Power			1	
Sambell			1

Ern 'Tich' Utting, now retired from senior footy, captained the Ressies and had an outstanding season leading the side up the ladder and winning the Gardiner Medal for the best and fairest player in the seconds league, making it back to back Gardiner Medalists for the Hawks. Having been a star in defence for Hawthorn, in the seconds he ventured further up the ground and booted 6 goals in the big win in round 17.

Larry Cordner was a stand-out in front of goals, especially early in the season, kicking 16 goals in the first 4 rounds. He was rewarded with a Hawthorn berth in round 10, but it would be his only senior appearance.

Back pocket Ernie Loveless had crossed over to the Hawks from St Kilda at the start of the year. In and out of the senior side, his BOG for the reserves in round 6 launched his Hawthorn career. He was promoted and played the rest of the season in the ones, the next season winning the Hawks Best and Fairest.

 

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1934:

Res Hawks v		For		Ag	W / L	By
1 v  Carl	14.11	95	13.19	97	Lost	-2
2 v  Melb	20.3	123	17.17	119	Won	4
3 v  Coll	12.10	82	12.12	84	Lost	-2
4 v  Ess	13.10	88	7.6	48	Won	40
5 v  Sth	8.11	59	13.11	89	Lost	-30
6 v  Foots	6.6	42	18.25	133	Lost	-91
7 v  Rich	10.10	70	13.7	85	Lost	-15
8 v  Geel	6.4	40	12.24	96	Lost	-56
9 v  Fitz	8.10	58	9.16	70	Lost	-12
10 v  Nth	9.5	59	9.14	68	Lost	-9
11 v  St K	10.14	74	11.9	75	Lost	-1
12 v  Carl	10.16	76	14.9	93	Lost	-17
13 v  Melb	11.6	72	14.21	105	Lost	-33
14 v  Coll	9.8	62	22.23	155	Lost	-93
15 v  Ess	8.13	61	11.15	81	Lost	-20
16 v  Sth	6.10	46	14.16	100	Lost	-54
17 v  Foots	4.13	37	15.16	106	Lost	-69
18 v  Rich	5.6	36	10.16	76	Lost	-40

The good times didn't last after the promise of 1933, with the Hawthorn Reserves of 1934 losing their last 14 matches to finish in 11th place on the ladder.

16 goals unavailable.

Cordner, Larry		19	
Williams, Bob		18	
?			16
Clements, Leo		11	
Smith, Vin		9	
Clements, Jack		8	
Harkness		8	
Whelan, R		8	
Wickham, Merv		8	
Abikhair, Dick		7	
Pool, Ted		6	
Zander, Jack		5	
Meehan, Joe		4	
Nolan, Frank		4	
Utting, Ern		4	
Avery			3
Dunne			3
Ford, Bill		3	
Hickey, Gerry		3	
Aitchison, Jack		2	
Bravo, Steve		2	
Gramlech		2	
Hudson			2
Jenkins			2
Ashby, Bert		1	
Atkinson		1	
Carbarns, Les		1	
Denier			1
Guest			1
Lathlain, Wally		1	
McKenzie		1	
Onley, Ken		1	
Rodda, Roy		1	
Sandilands		1	
Sumpton			1
Wilkinson		1

Best players (complete)

Player			In best	Our BOG
Utting, Ern		14	1	
Clements, Leo		7	4	
Abikhair, Dick		6	1	
Smith, Vin		6		
Lathlain, Wally		5	1	
Lee, Alex		5		
Ogden, Stan		5	1	
Aitchison, Jack		4	1	
Banyard			4	
Bravo, Steve		4		
Moloney, Dan		4	2	
Wickham, Merv		4		
Williams, Bob		4	2	
Donovan			3	
Harkness		3		
Hickey, Gerry		3		
Barr			2	
Booth			2	1
Fuller, Alan		2		
McAuliffe		2		
Onley, Ken		2	1	
Rodda, Roy		2		
Zander, Jack		2		
Ashby, Bert		1		
Avery			1	
Clements, Jack		1		
Cordner, Larry		1		
Czarly			1	
Davies			1	
Ford, Bill		1	1	
Gallagher		1		
Geary, Brian		1		
Latham			1	
Sullivan		1	1	
Ware, Wally		1	1	
Whelan			1	
Williamson, Wally	1

Utting was again outstanding, named in the best players 14 times over the 18 games. With the Hawks' form no better than the reserves, it's a wonder they didn't talk him out of retirement.

Dick Abikhair's form was strong enough to earn him a senior debut in round 14. He would go on to play 60 games for the Hawks. Stan Ogden was a ruckman who'd crossed from Richmond - he showed enough to play 5 senior games for Hawthorn in the second half of the season, but left at the end of the year.

 

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1935:

Res Hawks v		For		Ag	W / L	By
1 v  Nth	17.15	117	6.12	48	Won	69
2 v  Carl	9.10	64	14.9	93	Lost	-29
3 v  Melb	5.9	39	19.17	131	Lost	-92
4 v  St K	18.14	122	12.10	82	Won	40
5 v  Ess	11.10	76	9.18	72	Won	4
6 v  Geel	5.10	40	18.25	133	Lost	-93
7 v  Fitz	10.14	74	8.17	65	Won	9
8 v  Sth	9.10	64	14.17	101	Lost	-37
9 v  Rich	5.4	34	16.10	106	Lost	-72
10 v  Foots	7.9	51	12.6	78	Lost	-27
11 v  Coll	8.9	57	15.16	106	Lost	-49
12 v  Nth	13.10	88	8.5	53	Won	35
13 v  Carl	7.13	55	10.12	72	Lost	-17
14 v  Melb	10.5	65	14.26	110	Lost	-45
15 v  St K	6.9	45	13.17	95	Lost	-50
16 v  Ess	8.11	59	12.15	87	Lost	-28
17 v  Geel	4.12	36	22.11	143	Lost	-107
18 v  Fitz	7.14	56	9.10	64	Lost	-8

5 wins, 13 losses and 10th of 12 on the ladder at season's end.

Happily, a new Greatest Winning Margin was set in round 1.

Goalkickers unavailable for rounds 9, 14 & 16:

?			23
Aitchison, Jack		21	
May			16
Green, Tom		14	
Utting, Ern		12	
Hurley, Alf		9	
Jenkin			8
Smith, Vin		8	
Rodda, Roy		7	
Clay, Alf		5	
Giblett, Alf		5	
Smethurst, Max		5	
Oakes, Jim		4	
Williams, Bob		3	
Clements, Leo		2	
Duff, Ralph		2	
Myers			2
Simmons, J		2	
Bravo, Steve		1	
Clements, Jack		1	
Clements, T		1	
Gainger			1
Gallagher		1	
Hyde, Bert		1	
Rohde, Carl		1	
Samblebe, Frank		1	
Simpson			1
Spinks, Stan		1	
Williams, Ted		1

Best players unavailable for rounds 9, 14 & 16.

Player			In best	Our BOG
Aitchison, Jack		11	6	
Samblebe, Frank		10	1	
Oakes, Jim		7		
Hannon, T		6	1	
May			6	1
Hurley, Alf		5	1	
Lee, Alex		4	1	
Utting, Ern		4		
Clay, Alf		3		
Fisher			3	
Lathlain, Wally		3	1	
Myers			3	
Simmons, J		3	1	
Banyard			2	
Clements, Leo		2		
Giblett, Alf		2		
Green, Tom		2		
Abikhair, Dick		1	1	
Allison, Neil		1		
Ashby, Bert		1		
Bravo, Steve		1		
Darby			1	
Dower, George		1		
Duff, Ralph		1		
Edgar			1	
Fuller, Alan		1		
Hyde, Bert		1		
Rodda, Roy		1		
Smethurst, Max		1		
Smith, Vin		1		
Spinks, Stan		1		
Stark			1	
Williams, A		1	1	
Williams, Bob		1		
Williams, Ted		1

Tom Green booted 7 goals in round 1 and was a semi-consistent contributer after that without standing out. Hawthorn gave him the last 3 games of the season in the seniors, but aside from a couple of goals, his 3 game career was rather unremarkable for a forward wearing number 23.

Jack Aitchison's reserves form in 1935 was simply too good to ignore, and after 3 years of solid form he finally made his Hawthorn debut in round 15. He was dropped the next week and didn't play again.

Frank Samblebe had a good first season in the reserves, but he would have to wait until 1937 to debut for the Hawks. A back flanker, he would play 53 games for Hawthorn over 5 seasons.

The diminutive Alf Hurley (161cm) arrived at the club in 1935. He must have made an early impression as he won both the Best Team Player Award and the Best Trainer Award in his first season. He would play 36 games over 4 seasons.

 

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1936:

Res Hawks v		For		Ag	W / L	By
1 v  Coll	12.9	81	17.18	120	Lost	-39
2 v  Foots	9.12	66	14.9	93	Lost	-27
3 v  Carl	8.6	54	24.24	168	Lost	-114
4 v  Melb	13.11	89	21.14	140	Lost	-51
5 v  Rich	15.10	100	14.13	97	Won	3
6 v  Sth	8.6	54	13.17	95	Lost	-41
7 v  Geel	9.7	61	14.23	107	Lost	-46
8 v  Ess	11.8	74	11.12	78	Lost	-4
9 v  Fitz	13.13	91	9.12	66	Won	25
10 v  St K	10.18	78	15.16	106	Lost	-28
11 v  Nth	13.17	95	8.18	66	Won	29
12 v  Coll	13.10	88	13.19	97	Lost	-9
13 v  Foots	9.9	63	23.20	158	Lost	-95
14 v  Carl	5.14	44	8.15	63	Lost	-19
15 v  Melb	4.14	38	14.26	110	Lost	-72
16 v  Rich	8.15	63	16.13	109	Lost	-46
17 v  Sth	8.13	61	11.14	80	Lost	-19
18 v  Geel	6.14	50	20.16	136	Lost	-86

3 wins, 15 losses and a finish of 10th out of 12.

Goalkickers unavailable for rounds 1, 2, 14, 17 & 18.

?			40
Albiston, Alec		28	
Giblett, Alf		11	
Aitchison, Jack		9	
Clements, Jack		9	
Ripper, Bill		8	
Rodda, Roy		8	
Harrison		6	
Hillard, Norm		6	
Bardon			5
Clay, Alf		5	
De Luca, Alby		5	
Oakes, Jim		5	
Elliot			4
Heggie			4
Albiston, Harold	3		
Branchflower		3	
Seedsman, Bill		3	
Smith, Vin		3	
Simmons, J		2	
Wilkinson		2	
Fleiner			1
Griffiths		1	
Haggis			1
Jackett			1
Stewart, Stuart		1

Votes unavailable for rounds 2, 14, 17 & 18.

Player			In best	Our BOG
Oakes, Jim		9	2	
Branchflower		5		
Clay, Alf		5	1	
Rodda, Roy		5	1	
Shea, Eddie		5	1	
Aitchison, Jack		4		
Albiston, Alec		4		
Banyard			4	1
Ellis			4	1
Taylor, Ralph		4	2	
Clements, Jack		3	1	
Giblett, Alf		3		
Mitchell, E. Jack	3			
Stewart, Stuart		3	1	
Albiston, Harold	2			
De Luca, Alby		2		
Flegg			2	
Fleiner			2	
Ripper, Bill		2	1	
Stenhouse, Jack		2	1	
Allison, Neil		1		
Armstrong		1		
Asling, Frank		1		
Bardon			1	1
Haggis			1	
Seedsman, Bill		1		
Simmons, J		1

1936 saw the arrival at Hawthorn of the Albiston brothers. Alec Albiston would become a special player in the club's history. A rover who was deadly in front of goals, Albiston's six week stretch in the reserves from rounds 5 to 10 yielded 20-odd goals, and earned him a senior debut in round 11. He was dropped the following week, but responded with another 5-goal game in the twos. It would take him the best part of another season to fully establish himself as a regular senior player (he won the Most Improved award in 1938), but he went on to play 170 games and boot 383 goals for the Hawks, his last 3 seasons as captain-coach. He won the Best and Fairest award in 1941 and 1946, lead the club goalkicking 4 times, and would become the first Hawthorn player to kick 10 goals in a game. A star player, he famously left the club in acrimonious circumstances at the end of 1949 in a dispute over the captaincy.

Harold Albiston was Alec's older brother. He would debut for the Hawks 2 weeks after Alec, and be forever in his shadow. A back pocket, he managed 62 games and won the Most Consistent award in 1937.

Jim Oakes had a strong season in the Hawthorn reserves in 1936 where, at all of 180cm, he was primarily used as a ruckman. He played 4 games from his debut in round 14, but despite staying at the club for the following year, he would not add to that total.

 

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1937:

Res Hawks v		For		Ag	W / L	By
1 v  Nth	10.24	84	5.6	36	Won	48
2 v  St K	13.12	90	11.10	76	Won	14
3 v  Fitz	16.20	116	6.12	48	Won	68
4 v  Ess	9.12	66	13.22	100	Lost	-34
5 v  Geel	9.14	68	15.19	109	Lost	-41
6 v  Sth	19.18	132	15.7	97	Won	35
7 v  Rich	12.16	88	19.14	128	Lost	-40
8 v  Melb	12.18	90	19.13	127	Lost	-37
9 v  Carl	14.13	97	16.19	115	Lost	-18
10 v  Foots	15.11	101	20.20	140	Lost	-39
11 v  Coll	17.14	116	11.11	77	Won	39
12 v  Nth	6.16	52	9.7	61	Lost	-9
13 v  St K	13.16	94	13.17	95	Lost	-1
14 v  Fitz	9.12	66	22.13	145	Lost	-79
15 v  Ess	9.11	65	17.15	117	Lost	-52
16 v  Geel	8.8	56	19.15	129	Lost	-73
17 v  Sth	10.8	68	17.17	119	Lost	-51
18 v  Rich	6.14	50	10.18	78	Lost	-28

A good start, a new highest score in round six, a best ever average score of 83.3, and two more wins than the year before (for a total of 5) all counted for little, as the Hawks Reserves won only 2 of their last 15 games for another 10th placing.

Goalkickers (complete):

Elliott, Russ		50	
Clay, Alf		21	
Hurley, Alf		15	
Carey, Bert		12	
Bardon			11
Zander, Jack		11	
Ryan, Phil		10	
Albiston, Alec		9	
Brown			8
Logan, Dick		7	
Quinn			7
Giblett, Alf		6	
Coutts			5
Ellis			4
Seedsman, Bill		4	
Smyrk			4
Stocks			4
James			3
Spinks, Stan		3	
Oakes, Jim		2	
Clements, Jack		1	
Feltscheer, Ken		1	
Flynn			1
Hird, Allan		1	
Kemp			1
McMinn			1
Molloy			1
Stewart, Stuart		1	
Walker			1
Wheeler, Max		1	
Wilkinson		1

Best players (complete):

Player			In best	Our BOG
James			10	2
Ellis			7	
Tayor, Ralph		7	1	
Carey, Bert		6	1	
Elliott, Russ		6	2	
Brown			5	1
Giblett, Alf		5		
Seedsman, Bill		5	1	
Stewart, Stuart		5	1	
Coutts			4	
Oakes, Jim		4		
Quinn			4	1
Walsh, Len		4	1	
Birch			3	
Clay, Alf		3	1	
Pavey, Bill		3		
Shea, Eddie		3	1	
Stocks			3	
Wheeler, Max		3		
Bardon			2	
Hurley, Alf		2	2	
Kemp			2	
Logan, Dick		2	2	
Ryan, Phil		2		
Samblebe, Frank		2	1	
Simmons, J		2		
Albiston, Alec		1		
Benbow			1	
Broom			1	
Clements, Jack		1		
Jones			1	
McQueen, Max		1		
Raby			1	
Smyrk			1	
Spinks, Stan		1		
Zander, Jack		1

Russ Elliot was a 185cm forward who enjoyed a prolific season in front of the sticks for the Ressies in 1937. He booted 8 goals in round 11 against Collingwood and repeated the dose in round 13 versus St Kilda. It would take him until the final rounds of 1939 to earn a senior debut however, after which he played just 9 games over 3 seasons.

James and Ellis were not Hawthorn listed players, but along with Ralph Taylor they dominated the best players for the Reserves. Taylor was a small half back flanker who earned promotion for rounds 14 and 15 but that was as far as his Hawthorn career went.

Ken Feltscheer, a wingman, came across from Melbourne late in 1937. Despite not being named in the best players he was promoted to the senior side in round 17 and held his place for the next 3 seasons, playing 42 games until leaving the club for the war-years of 1941-42. He returned to play one more game in 1943.

Stuart Stewart had played the last of his 130 senior games back in 1935, but stuck around the club to play in the reserves. A versatile tall who played ruck as well as CHF/CHB, he earnt state representation 5 times and is a Life Member of the Hawthorn Football Club.

Bill Pavey began his career in 1937, debuting for Hawthorn in round 4. A small back pocket, he would play 100 games over 9 seasons.

Alf Clay was a forward flanker who slotted 21 goals for the ressies in 1937. He was promoted to the Hawks side for rounds 4, 5 and 6. He kicked a couple of goals but couldn’t hold his spot and didn't play for the Hawks again.

 

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1938:

Res Hawks v		For		Ag	W / L	By
1 v  Carl	15.13	103	20.21	141	Lost	-38
2 v  Melb	19.11	125	9.4	58	Won	67
3 v  Foots	11.6	72	16.20	116	Lost	-44
4 v  Coll	12.16	88	12.18	90	Lost	-2
5 v  Rich	8.14	62	12.20	92	Lost	-30
6 v  Sth	14.9	93	13.13	91	Won	2
7 v  Ess	6.17	53	11.17	83	Lost	-30
8 v  Fitz	11.14	80	15.9	99	Lost	-19
9 v  Geel	10.8	68	13.13	91	Lost	-23
10 v  St K	12.10	82	9.11	65	Won	17
11 v  Nth	11.12	78	7.8	50	Won	28
12 v  Carl	8.11	59	19.17	131	Lost	-72
13 v  Melb	10.14	74	15.17	107	Lost	-33
14 v  Foots	9.11	65	12.22	94	Lost	-29
15 v  Coll	7.4	46	25.23	173	Lost	-127
16 v  Rich	11.10	76	19.18	132	Lost	-56
17 v  Sth	4.3	27	19.14	128	Lost	-101
18 v  Ess	10.6	66	13.14	92	Lost	-26

4 wins, 14 losses and yet another calamity of a finish to the season, yet another 10th placing of 12 on the ladder (the 4th 10th placing in a row).

Goalkickers (complete):

Hall, Johnny		39	
Elliott, Russ		31	
Robinson, Bill H.	19		
Hurley, Alf		18	
Pool, Ted		15	
Cartwright, Gil		7	
Neeson, Alf		7	
Logan, Dick		5	
Wellington, H. Tom	4		
Albiston, Alec		3	
Elder, Ern		3	
Hird, Allan		3	
Male			3
Russell			3
Abikhair, Dick		2	
Allison, Neil		2	
James			2
Logan, Jim		2	
McAlpine, Ivan		2	
Moore, Bill		2	
Paternoster, Ron	2		
Pierce, Charlie		2	
Wright, Morton		2	
Connors			1
Coutts			1
Crosbie			1
Curphey			1
Feltscheer, Ken		1	
Healy			1
Murray			1
Philpot			1
Stewart, Stuart		1	
Williams, Bob		1

Best players (complete):

Player			In best	Our BOG
Lanning			12	3
Elder, Ern		9	2	
Taylor, Will C.		9	3	
Moore, Bill		6	2	
Angwin, Andy		5	1	
Hird, Allan		5	1	
Bohan, Jim		4	1	
Coutts			4	
Wellington, H. Tom	4	1		
Allison, Neil		3	1	
Hall, Johnny		3		
Logan, Dick		3		
Neeson, Alf		3		
Philpot			3	
Robinson, Bill H.	3	1		
Rowley, R		3		
Wright, Morton		3		
Elliott, Russ		2		
Hurley, Alf		2	1	
Lyons, Joe		2		
Paternoster, Ron	2			
Pavey, Bill		2		
Russell			2	
Cartwright, Gil		1	1	
Curphey			1	
Deague, Bill		1		
Lanigan			1	
Murray			1	
Pierce, Charlie		1		
Pool, Ted		1		
Randall, Viv		1		
Stewart, Stuart		1		
Taylor, Ralph		1		
Walsh, Len		1		
Williams, Bob		1

The Hawks Reserves leading goalkicker for 1938, Johnny Hall, is something of an odd story. Recruited locally from Auburn, his 39 goals included 4 bags of 4 goals, and 5 bags of 3 goals. He was promoted to the senior side for the last two rounds of the season, where he kicked 2 and 5 goals, being named in the best players both times. He wouldn't play for Hawthorn again, leaving him with one of the better goal averages of 3.5 per game. At the start of 1939, he was back in the Reserves, kicking 3 goals in round 1 and 7 goals in round 2. Oddly, he then completely vanishes from the scene, never to represent Hawthorn or any other VFL side again.

Ted Pool and Alf Hurley both spent large parts of the last year of their distinguished Hawthorn careers in the Reserves, and both had good form in front of goal.

Ivan McAlpine was Hawthorn captain for the three years prior to 1938, and was still the senior coach that year. He found time to fill in for the Reserves in round 16 and snag a couple of sausage rolls.

Mr Lanning, Ern Elder and Will Taylor dominated the best players for 1938. Lanning was not on Hawthorn's list, but Taylor played round 1 for the senior side before spending the rest of the season dominating the reserves. He wouldn't get another crack at senior footy though. Elder would have to wait until 1940 to get his chance at the ones. He was a full back who played 12 games over 1940-41.

Allan Hird was a CHF who began his career at Hawthorn in 1938. He debuted for Hawthorn in round 11, playing 5 games and a further 8 in 1939. He then left the Hawks to play for Essendon up until 1945, and wound up playing for and coaching St Kilda. His grandson, James, would become a legend for Essendon.

2 more very famous Hawthorn names made their start in the Reserves of 1938. Jim Bohan was a gun centreman recruited from Camberwell. He earned a senior debut in round 13, going on to play 131 senior games, booting 145 goals aloing the way. He won the Most Improved Award in 1942, won the Best and Fairest award in 1943 and 1945, captained the club for two seasons, and was named in the centre in the Hawthorn Team of the Century.

Andy Angwin was a slightly built wingman who would become part of the fabric of the Hawthorn Football Club. He was best on ground for the reserves in round 2 and his form was strong enough to earn him a senior debut in round 5. In and out of the side for a season and a half, he consolidated his spot in the side in 1940 in a big way, winning the club Best and Fairest, and coming runner-up the next two seasons. Injury curtailed his career and he retired at the end of 1944, aged 26. However he remained an integral part of the club, becoming a founding member of the social club, being awarded life membership in 1971, and taking on the role of property steward in 1978. He became a constant and much loved presence around the club, and was rewarded in 2000 with the Jack Titus Recognition of Service Award. For a long time Andy was the embodiment of Hawthorn and stayed involved in the club right up until his death in 2002.

 

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1939:

Res Hawks v		For		Ag	W / L	By
1 v  St K	13.26	104	10.18	78	Won	26
2 v  Nth	20.8	128	19.7	121	Won	7
3 v  Geel	14.10	94	17.17	119	Lost	-25
4 v  Fitz	14.16	100	19.17	131	Lost	-31
5 v  Carl	11.16	82	11.25	91	Lost	-9
6 v  Coll	5.9	39	7.11	53	Lost	-14
7 v  Foots	10.6	66	27.21	183	Lost	-117
8 v  Rich	8.5	53	20.21	141	Lost	-88
9 v  Sth	18.18	126	10.13	73	Won	53
10 v  Ess	13.18	96	20.19	139	Lost	-43
11 v  Melb	6.5	41	16.18	114	Lost	-73
12 v  St K	11.14	80	21.24	150	Lost	-70
13 v  Nth	7.14	56	8.14	62	Lost	-6
14 v  Geel	9.9	63	18.21	129	Lost	-66
15 v  Fitz	15.9	99	22.15	147	Lost	-48
16 v  Carl	8.14	62	12.15	87	Lost	-25
17 v  Coll	8.9	57	13.18	96	Lost	-39
18 v  Foots	6.10	46	13.20	98	Lost	-52

With 3 wins, including just one from the last 16 matches, the Hawks Ressies were lucky to avoid the spoon, finishing 11th of 12.

34 goals across 6 matches unavailable:

?			34
Day, Howard		20	
McAlpine, Ivan		19	
Burke, Jack		15	
Sutherland, Tom		14	
Vanderbist, Charlie	14		
Booth, Frank		13	
Hall, Johnny		10	
Coutts			9
Naismith, Alby		9	
Byrne, Tom		8	
Bryant			5
Young, Gus		5	
Ayres			4
Blackman, Jack		3	
Davey, Tom		3	
Farrant, Reg		3	
Hird, Allan		3	
Tanner			2
Bohan, Jim		1	
Elder, Ern		1	
Long, Roy		1

Best players from round 18 unavailable:

Player			In best	Our BOG
Vanderbist, Charlie	7	3		
Angwin, Andy		6	1	
Farrant, Reg		6	4	
Peters, Laurie		6	1	
Booth, Frank		5	1	
Coutts			5	1
Robinson, Bill H.	5	1		
Day, Howard		4		
Long, Roy		4		
Sutherland, Tom		4		
Burke, Jack		3		
Davey, Tom		3		
McAlpine, Ivan		3	1	
Murphy, Leo		3		
Pabst, Les		3	1	
Young, Gus		3	1	
Blackman, Jack		2		
Bohan, Jim		2		
Clode			2	
Elder, Ern		2		
Pirrie, Dick M.		2		
Waters, Gordon		2		
Allison, Neil		1	1	
Bryant			1	
Feltscheer, Ken		1		
Hall, Johnny		1		
Hird, Allan		1	1	
Naismith, Alby		1		
Rowley, R		1		
Taylor, Will C.		1		
Wellington		1

Half back Jack Blackman arrived at the club in 1939. After 4 games in the reserves he was promoted to the firsts and didn't look back, playing 87 games over a 2-part career that finished in 1946. He didn't play during the war years of 1941-1943, but returned in 1944 to win the Hawk's Best and Fairest.

Howard Day was a small forward whose form in front of goal earned him senior games in rounds 5, 6 and 10. He kicked 2 goals in each of those games, but for some reason wasn't given further opportunity and left the club at the end of the year.

Jack Burke was another small forward who arrived at the club in 1939. He had greater impact at senior level, playing 7 games (and kicking 9 goals) in his debut year. He went on to play a total of 74 games and kick 83 goals for Hawthorn.

Charlie Vanderbist was the most consistent player among the reserves. A diminutive rover at 166cm, he debuted for Hawthorn in round 7 and played 7 games over two seasons.

 

[Thaihawk]

Really enjoying this thread stemline. As I had my first membership in 1947, when the reserves played the curtain raiser, I expect to recall a lot of memories, and names from my childhood.

Thanks a million.

 

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Cheers Thaihawk. Must admit I was getting little worried by the silence but I decided I'd keep plugging these up, mainly because I'm enjoying myself (on worktime no less).

There'll be a little bit more to talk about when we get to the late 50's.

Unfortunately though, from 1942-1957 there's virtually no detail available as firstly sport reporting took a back seat to the war and then the reserves simply weren't reported on anywhere, for whatever reason, apart from the scores. The good news is that from 1958 onwards I have all goalkickers and best players from every round.

 

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1940:

Res Hawks v		For		Ag	W / L	By
1 v  Nth	8.11	59	7.15	57	Won	2
2 v  St K	10.12	72	9.21	75	Lost	-3
3 v  Rich	11.17	83	13.18	96	Lost	-13
4 v  Sth	20.10	130	11.18	84	Won	46
5 v  Ess	10.16	76	4.18	42	Won	34
6 v  Melb	7.12	54	24.8	152	Lost	-98
7 v  Fitz	14.10	94	13.21	99	Lost	-5
8 v  Foots	6.17	53	13.21	99	Lost	-46
9 v  Geel	11.22	88	9.10	64	Won	24
10 v  Carl	10.12	72	16.14	110	Lost	-38
11 v  Coll	11.14	80	16.12	108	Lost	-28
12 v  Nth	10.28	88	5.3	33	Won	55
13 v  St K	11.10	76	13.16	94	Lost	-18
14 v  Rich	12.10	82	14.14	98	Lost	-16
15 v  Sth	13.11	89	10.11	71	Won	18
16 v  Ess	9.10	64	13.21	99	Lost	-35
17 v  Melb	7.13	55	12.16	88	Lost	-33
18 v  Fitz	6.13	49	16.20	116	Lost	-67

6 wins, 12 losses, and back up to 10th.

As the impact of the war steps up, reporting on sport diminishes - so 54 goals over 6 rounds unavailable:

?			54
Cutter, Frank		14	
Vanderbist, Charlie	14		
Barelli, Alan		10	
Carmichael, Max		10	
Bristowe, Wally		9	
Brain, Jack		8	
Wellington, H. Tom	8		
Burke, Jack		7	
Graham, Bert		7	
Lees			6
Byrne, Tom		5	
Hone, Bruce		5	
Bell, Reg		3	
Curran, Kevin S.	3		
Elder, Ern		3	
Landrigan, Kevin	3		
Bryce, J		2	
Culpitt, Wally		2	
Farrant, Reg		2	
Long, Roy		2	
Prior, Albert		2	
Williams, Bob		2	
Albiston, Harold	1		
Dower, George		1	
Moore, Bill		1	
Pirrie, Dick M.		1	
Sutherland, Tom		1

Best players unavailable for 6 rounds:

Player			In best	Our BOG
Brain, Jack		5		
Murphy, Leo		5	1	
Waters, Gordon		5	3	
Long, Roy		4		
Moore, Bill		4		
Vanderbist, Charlie	4	1		
Austen, Col		3	1	
Elder, Ern		3	1	
Feltscheer, Ken		3		
Peters, Laurie		3		
Young, Gus		3		
Barelli, Alan		2		
Brady, Brendan		2	1	
Carmichael, Max		2		
Culpitt, Wally		2		
Wellington, H. Tom	2			
Williams, Bob		2		
Albiston, Harold	1			
Bell, Reg		1	1	
Bristowe, Wally		1		
Burke, Jack		1		
Cutter, Frank		1	1	
Farrant, Reg		1		
Graham, Bert		1		
Hone, Bruce		1		
Landrigan, Kevin	1			
Naismith, Alby		1		
Pabst, Les		1		
Parker, Frank		1	1	
Pavey, Bill		1	1	
Prior, Albert		1		
Samblebe, Frank		1		
Walsh, Len		1

Albert 'Butch" Prior didn't set the world alight in his first season at Hawthorn. He wouldn't debut in the senior side until the last round of the following season, but went on to play 103 games, booting 258 goals from full forward. Missing the war years of 1942 and 1943, he returned to lead the club goalkicking 4 times, from 1946 to 1949. Oddly enough for a full forward, he won the club's Most Unselfish Player Award in both 1945 and 1946.

Wally Culpitt was quite an amazing player. He arrived at the club as a defender, his size of 178cm not stopping him from becoming the club's best option at full back. Debuting in round 3, he won the Most Improved Award, which was odd given it was his first season. He played his first 3 seasons in the defensive post, before a switch in 1943 to full forward. He was a success there as well, kicking 43 goals in 10 games (including a 9 goal haul) and in 1944 he slotted 57 in 15 games (including a bag of 10). He missed the 1945 season, but returned in 1946 to his spot at full back, and won Hawthorn's Best and Fairest Award there in 1947. He earned state representation 7 times, and won the Most Unselfish Player Award in 1943, and twice lead the club goalkicking.

Kevin Curran's debut in 1940 caused something of a stir at the club. Plucked from Traralgon by then chairman of the match committee, ex-champ Bert Hyde, he was selected for his debut in round 7, replacing a player who happened to be employed by club vice-president Jim McGuire. McGuire took this somewhat badly and proceeded to abuse Curran before the start of the match. Hyde resgined from his post in disgust. Repercussions for McGuire are unfortunately not known. Curran only played that one game in 1940, then went off to the war for 6 years, returning a decorated war hero to play a further 84 games, primarily in the ruck. He won the Most Determined Award in his return season of 1946, won the club Best and Fairest Award in 1948, earned state selection 9 times, and (again in controversy) captained the club in 1950. He is a life member of the Hawthorn Football Club.

Adding to the list of big names to arrive at the club in 1940 was back pocket Col Austen. He too had a career interrupted by the war (DNP 1944-5). Some good form culminating in a BOG for the reserves in round 10 saw him debut for the Hawks the following week. He played 5 senior games in his first season, and won the Most Improved Player Award the following year. In total he played 85 games, winning the club Best and Fairest in 1949. He left the club at the end of that year in support of his good mate Alec Albiston, who felt wronged by the captaincy going to Curran. In 1989, he was retrospectively awarded a Brownlow Medal after losing it in 1949 on a countback. He is a life member of Hawthorn, and was named on the back flank in the Hawthorn Team of the Century.