Game Day Hawthorn v Adelaide UTAS Stadium 7.10pm

[Sizzlepack]

In a measure of toxicity between the club and its supporters over the last 25 years, the club would win that battle in a landslide.

Crows supporters are some of the most loyal sports fans in the world, given the sh*t this club has repeatedly served up.

I'm not disputing our loyalty! I'm pretty proud of how we still turn up and still care. Certainly, many of us deserve better than what the club's provided. But I don't think it's an especially controversial claim to say that responding so negatively to a depth small forward being selected to cover for a suspension that the social media admin has to urge people to refrain from abuse, when we're third on the ladder, isn't great.

 

[Cromulant]

Unless they deleted comments, I didn’t see anything attacking Murphy personally.

There was a couple that arent there now.

 

[Cromulant]

Also their small / medium forwards had an absolute picnic

Dylan Moore 5.1
Jack Ginnivan 2.3
Jack Gunston 3.1

Have we got the right match ups this time?

More has been in pretty ordinary form so far this year..... so lets hope that continues.

 

[kirky]

I obviously have no idea what they did, but having had a little bit of experience with social media management they probably hid/deleted the worst of them.

I posted a comment on the AFC selection post (a simple one liner) on FB and it wasn’t a personal comment directed at Murphy but question directed to the selectors, as to why he was selected in front of others. It has since been deleted.

 

[Samcro24]

I'm not disputing our loyalty! I'm pretty proud of how we still turn up and still care. Certainly, many of us deserve better than what the club's provided. But I don't think it's an especially controversial claim to say that responding so negatively to a depth small forward being selected to cover for a suspension that the social media admin has to urge people to refrain from abuse, when we're third on the ladder, isn't great.

See your stuck on abuse.

The comments were overwhelmingly negative. Like you wouldn’t like to read it if you were Murphy. Which fits the “footballers are human too” line.

But personal abuse? I don’t think so

 

[Sizzlepack]

I posted a comment on the AFC selection post (a simple one liner) on FB and it wasn’t a personal comment directed at Murphy but question directed to the selectors, as to why he was selected in front of others. It has since been deleted.

They might have been sensitive with the moderation. Again, I don't really know. It's a shame if legitimate opinions were censored.

 

[Bernie L]

A lot of players from that time aren't playing this time

Jones
Nankervis
Borlase
Crouch
Sholl
Cook
Schoenberg
Burgess
Laird in the midfield

The ins are

Curtin
Milera
Worrell
Rankine
Cumming
Neal-Bullen
Pedlar
Thilthorpe
Laird in defense

Thats half a starting 18. Massive difference in personnel.

 

[Scorpus]

Thats half a starting 18. Massive difference in personnel.

Almost every player is a clear upgrade as well

 

[Sizzlepack]

See your stuck on abuse.

The comments were overwhelmingly negative. Like you wouldn’t like to read it if you were Murphy. Which fits the “footballers are human too” line.

But personal abuse? I don’t think so

Perhaps I'm fixated – but, prima facie, it doesn't feel like an especially unfair description of an accumulation of sentiment which caused the club social media admin to post a comment like that.

How is "you wouldn't want to read it if you were the player" meaningfully different to "abuse"?

Tangentially, I posted a similar sentiment on another social media site and Ben Keays' brother replied, saying he's had first-hand experience of abuse against players in the recent past and that it isn't a nice feeling.

 

[kirky]

I'm not disputing our loyalty! I'm pretty proud of how we still turn up and still care. Certainly, many of us deserve better than what the club's provided. But I don't think it's an especially controversial claim to say that responding so negatively to a depth small forward being selected to cover for a suspension that the social media admin has to urge people to refrain from abuse, when we're third on the ladder, isn't great.

It is a literally dumb selection which the coach has not explained why.

The coach/club need to explain the logic of selection and not the absolute crap Adam Kelly was sprouting.

This is a player who has not had his contract extended so why on earth give him games before others. This is a reasonable ask.

 

[kirky]

Perhaps I'm fixated – but, prima facie, it doesn't feel like an especially unfair description of an accumulation of sentiment which caused the club social media admin to post a comment like that.

How is "you wouldn't want to read it if you were the player" meaningfully different to "abuse"?

Tangentially, I posted a similar sentiment on another social media site and Ben Keays' brother replied, saying he's had first-hand experience of abuse against players in the recent past and that it isn't a nice feeling.

Well the player, like anyone, can choose to get off social media during the season.

 

[Sizzlepack]

It is a literally dumb selection which the coach has not explained why.

The coach/club need to explain the logic of selection and not the absolute crap Adam Kelly was sprouting.

This is a player who has not had his contract extended so why on earth give him games before others. This is a reasonable ask.

Not really. Murphy is a pressure forward who's been selected to apply forward pressure, a weakness of ours, against a side who's biggest threat to us is defensive rebound. His selection will allow Rankine (and perhaps Rachele/Keays) to rotate through the middle more while still rolling with three talls. Murphy, for his many faults, is currently better at the specific role he's been asked to play tonight than any of the mooted alternatives, even though they (Draper, Taylor, Dowling) will all hopefully have better long-term AFL careers.

 

[kirky]

They might have been sensitive with the moderation. Again, I don't really know. It's a shame if legitimate opinions were censored.

Well this sums up the soft underbelly of the club.

 

[kirky]

Not really. Murphy is a pressure forward who's been selected to apply forward pressure, a weakness of ours, against a side who's biggest threat to us is defensive rebound. His selection will allow Rankine (and perhaps Rachele/Keays) to rotate through the middle more while still rolling with three talls. Murphy, for his many faults, is currently better at the specific role he's been asked to play tonight than any of the mooted alternatives, even though they (Draper, Taylor, Dowling) will all hopefully have better long-term AFL careers.

You have said that, the club or coach hasn’t.

You say he is a pressure forward, think you are dreaming. He runs around like a headless chook, getting in the way of our forwards etc.

And you are surmising.

 

[Sizzlepack]

Well the player, like anyone, can choose to get off social media during the season.

You know what's easier than your bizarre suggestion that players get off social media? Not giving them so much abuse the club has to post a comment reminding us that footy players are people too.

 

[Cromulant]

Well the player, like anyone, can choose to get off social media during the season.

Hilarious that you believe its that simple.

 

[Sizzlepack]

You have said that, the club or coach hasn’t. You are surmising.

The club isn't obliged to fulfil your sense of entitlement, especially when the answer is quite simple.

 

[Samcro24]

Perhaps I'm fixated – but, prima facie, it doesn't feel like an especially unfair description of an accumulation of sentiment which caused the club social media admin to post a comment like that.

How is "you wouldn't want to read it if you were the player" meaningfully different to "abuse"?

Tangentially, I posted a similar sentiment on another social media site and Ben Keays' brother replied, saying he's had first-hand experience of abuse against players in the recent past and that it isn't a nice

Abuse is not the same as criticism

 

[Cromulant]

Abuse is not the same as criticism

Well...... not when its constructive its not.

 

[FR0GGY]

You have said that, the club or coach hasn’t.

You say he is a pressure forward, think you are dreaming. He runs around like a headless chook, getting in the way of our forwards etc.

And you are surmising.

Nothing puts pressure on a side like getting 1 possession in the last qtr.

 

[dogs105]

Such a fan boi.

Wow

 

[Moonwatcher]

A lot of players from that time aren't playing this time

Jones
Nankervis
Borlase
Crouch
Sholl
Cook
Schoenberg
Burgess
Laird in the midfield

The ins are

Curtin
Milera
Worrell
Rankine
Cumming
Neal-Bullen
Pedlar
Thilthorpe
Laird in defense

That's huge

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Dowling vs Murphy, career averages

 

[kirky]

The club isn't obliged to fulfil your sense of entitlement, especially when the answer is quite simple.

Got it, you work for the club. Thanks.

 

[Sizzlepack]

Got it, you work for the club. Thanks.

My "it's bad to abuse the players" take is apparently ruffling the feathers of people who would prefer to continue abusing the players, unfettered.