Hawthorns curse over Geelong

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I don't think ANY team in the modern era could hate a club as much as Geelong would hate Hawthorn. I'm not a Cats fan, so it's not really up for me to say, but have a look at some of these examples :

1.) 1988 Night Grand Final. A chance for the Cats to win some sort of premiership. The Hawks spoil the party.

2.) 1989 Round 6. Geelong lead by 54 points during the scond quarter. Hawthorn win, in the highest scoring game in league history. Geelong kick the highest ever losing score. The score is 171-163. The Hawks do it to Geelong again.

3.) 1989 Grand Final. Another close win to the Hawks, this time by a goal (144-138)

4.) 1990 Round 1. Hawthorn beat Geelong by 20 goals. Geelong was looking for revenge following their narrow Grand Final loss 6 months earlier, but they were humiliated and embarassed. 120 points, you gotta be kidding.

5.) The 1991 second-semi final. Hawthorn win by 2 points and go INTO the 1991 Grand Final. Yet another close win by the Hawks over the Cats. In retrospect, this match decided the premiership. If Geelong had won this match, it is highly likely they would have won the Grand Final. The Hawks cost the Cats another flag.

6.), 7.), 8.) and 9.) Four matches, at Kardinia Park of all places, between 1995 and 1999. I think by memory the four games were in 1995,96,97 and 1999. Incredibly, the Hawks won all four by less than a goal. That's right, all four. On Geelongs own home ground, the Hawks won 4 games by less than a kick. The curse is no officially a plague.

10.) 1999 at Waverley: The Hawks end Geelong finals hopes, with -you guessed it- a narrow win at Waverley. Hawthorn won by 3 points from memory ending Geelong's season.

11.) Round 22 1987: Geelong vs Hawthorn at Kardinia Park. If Geelong win they go into the finals 5, and finish 5th. If they lose, they are out. Geelong lead all day by around five goals, however, in time-on of the last quarter, Hawthorn finally hit the front by 3 points, and deny Geelong a finals berth.

CONCLUSON : Whenever Hawthorn play Geelong and the match is important Hawthorn will win. Geelong will only win if the match is unimportant.

Geelong is incapable of beating Hawthorn when anything important is riding on it in the modern era. Ironically, Geelong's last premiership, in 1963 was over the Hawks. Wouldn't it be funny if the Hawks happened to have won that game all those years ago !
 
Dan,
One of those games (I think it was '95) the team the hawks sent down was so injury-ridden that most of the players are no longer in the league. (with the exception of Darren Jarman, who was captain for the day)

I've been to a few of those Kardina games and they tended to be mistake ridden and close. Towards the end you wonder which side will make the most mistakes and lose but then look at the cats supporters around you and see they already know they will lose.

I think a clue lies in the picture taken last year at a cats training session where several geelong players trained in hawthorn jumpers. Apparently it was for a joke about Gary Ayres and rumours he would return to hawthorn.

Do you think any other team but geelong would view it's stars training in opponent's jerseys with anything but fury ? Is there no pride down there or do they all secretly want to play for a club like hawthorn ?
 
Sorry Gocatsgo (not sorry G4E) but it's hard to imagine a worse team to barrack for than the Cats.

Apart from '89 we're they clearly gave their all, '92 '94 '95 were all such bad performances I reckon the wooden spooner of all those years could have done better. I look back on 1990 with embarrassment and wonder how we went so bad, the guys were a disgrace to the Jumper. To see that three times though would be a nightmare.

They talk about the Collywobbles but at least they were competative in every GF, unlike the Pussies. Bairstow (probably the worst player in GFs ever) got carved up by Matera TWICE, the second time after Matera insulted him publicly on the eve of the GF. then was shocked when the Cats sacked him, unbelievable.

I'm with Roy and HG when they said post '95 GF, the Eagles and the blues should be stripped of their flags won against the Cats. But seriously GoCatsGO I take my hat off to you Cats supporters, you poor bastards.
 

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Thanks Rice80, I think!!!!!

Just a little point I would like to make, Riccardi was on Matera in 1994, not Bairstow, and in 1994, Matera did nothing, it was Kemp who killed us and he was on Hocking, Bairstow was on Banfield if I recall.

Now speaking of teams who have it over the opposition, what about Geelong over Melbourne, 10 straight wins, not a bad record. Haven't lost to them since round 1 1994.

What about North over Hawthorn, apartfrom this year, 1994 - 1999, North didn't lose a game to hawthorn, and if they did, it was only by a couple of points.
 
Just to save you all the effort - these are the teams with the wood over us (Hawks) since mid nineties

NORTH (But I think we're over that now)
CARLTON (we needed a wet night at waverley to score the only win)
EAGLES (this one will slip with Judgy in charge)
CROWS (damn Ricciuto)
ESSENDON

We break even (on a home and away basis) with Brisbane, Sydney, Richmond, Saints, Collingwood, Power, Bulldogs, Melbourne

WOOD over
Freo, Geelong, perhaps Port.
 
GoCatsGo and Pess

Hawthorn beat us 14 times in a row from 1984 to 1994. North then won the next 7 (maybe 8) until 1998 when the Hawks beat us by a couple of points at Arctic Park. Shannon Grant missed what would've been the winning goal by a matter of centremetres in the dying seconds.

The strange thing for North fans is when we play Melbourne. They seem to always beat us in our first meeting of the year (and they're usually the underdogs too) and we usually get our revenge in the second.
 
What's with all the Geelong bashing, give us a break!!!!

There must be plenty of supporters of other clubs that would have loved to play off in the finals as much as we did and will do in the future.

For example, Richmond, StKilda, Collingwood, Melbourne just to name 4.

Geelong has been a bloody successful team over the past 10 years and each time they made the GF, they were considered the outsiders, they were never favourite to win.

Imagine being a Richmond supporter, 1 finals appearance since 1983, now that's frustration.

What about StKilda, 4 finals since 1971, almost as bad,

Collingwood, no finals since 1994 when they went out in the first game, so much for the Manchester United of the AFL.

Please everyone get off Geelong's back, lets start bashing Coll...... (HOLD THAT THOUGHT, lets wait until tomorrow night)
 
After the 1963 GF the scum down at Geelong buried a hawk (yes the actual bird. probably killed it too) in the turf of Kardinia Park.

Such arrogance cannot go unpunished by the gods of football. Witness Carlton's victory over Essendon.

But even I am finding this curse a bit frightening now. It's like Poltergeist or something.

Just on the Ess-Carl thing. Many Ess supporters are saying "we were the best and the boys took it too easy" I disagree. The gods of football punished the arrogant SUPPORTERS, not the players. I see nothing arrogant about the Ess team, but their supporters are another thing all together.

Be careful or you may let Carlton win another final!!!!
 
Hawkforce,

Going by that theory, why weren't Carlton supporters puished in 1995 for their absolute arrogance ??

I don't think Essendon supporters are arrogant. Gees, if you finish the home and away 18-4 and you play a team who is 12-10, you'd be confident too ! Who wouldn;t be ?

I think the one word to describe Essendon supporters is - ENTHUSIASTIC

I think the one word to describe Carlton supporters is - ARROGANT

I think the one word to describe Richmond supporters is - PASSIONATE

I think the one word to describe Collingwood supporters is - ONE-EYED

Now, I actually think you can describe the various supporter groups with a number of words, but I think the words I have chosen are the most appropriate.

I don't associate Essendon supporters with arrogance. Unlike Carlton, who only hang it on you when they know they've got it won. They're too gutless to make predictions. Scum.
 
Obviously the ying and yang tone of my post should be taken with a pinch of salt.

BUT

Regardless of your own perspective you will have to dig hard to find ANYBODY who didn't rejoice in Essendon's loss last year. This had a lot to do with the fact that we all knew there was no way Carlton would beat North.

This reaction wasn't because we all hate Essendon passionately, but rather that their supporters CERTAINTY of a grand final place was INSUFFERABLE.


Having said that I agree with your one word analysis.

As for Carlton in 1995. Remember 1994? Lessons learned maybe? Bodes well for Essendon this year.
 
Rejoicing in Essendon's loss ????

Carlton supporters, maybe but as for the rest of the football community, I don't think so.

Essendon may not be the most loved team by any stretch of the imagination, but Carlton are far more hated.

I think the majority of people HATED the fact that Carlton were in the Grand Final. A.) Because it meant the Grand Final would be crap (which it was) instead of good (which it would have been if Essendon was in it) and B.) because everybody hates Carlton.

Obvioulsy I can't speak for every individual person, but the OVERALL football community would hate Carlton more than Essendon, no doubt.
 
Rejoicing in Essendon's loss ????

Carlton supporters, maybe but as for the rest of the football community, I don't think so.

Essendon may not be the most loved team by any stretch of the imagination, but Carlton are far more hated.

I think the majority of people HATED the fact that Carlton were in the Grand Final. A.) Because it meant the Grand Final would be crap (which it was) instead of good (which it would have been if Essendon was in it) and B.) because everybody hates Carlton.

Obvioulsy I can't speak for every individual person, but the OVERALL football community would hate Carlton more than Essendon, no doubt.
 
Hawkforce

If the geelong - buried Hawk thing is true it is fascinating. Just about the best explaination for Geelongs unexplainable woes I have heard yet - even (ex) premier felicity kennett cannot explain that one.

And Dan24 - one word to describe Essendon supporters - NERDY
 

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NERDY ??

Are you calling over a million Bomber fans nerdy ??

Essendon has a wide variety of all different types of supporters.

You shold have seen these yobbos who used to stand under the scoreboard at Windy Hill. These were the worst yobbo's I've ever seen !

Not that I'm condoning that sort of behaviour, but the mighty Bombers would get more of a cross-section of supporters than Hawthorns "Eastern Suburbs" set.
 
Dan24

Luckily I haven't met most of the million essendon fans you mention. It's just that the ones wh seem to sit next to me at games are NERDY. Even if you move a few time there are other ones there which keep up the drivel

If you want to know what I mean take a look at your non-stop rantings about top-spot-is better. Comments like that etc
 
I've sat next to pess at the footy and one thing you can describe him/her/it is SMELLY!!
 
I've sat next to pess at the footy and one thing you can describe (him/her/it) is SMELLY!! and bloody whinge,whinge, whinge and bloody whinge...... and you want NERDY see Crawf with his glasses (probably fake lenses designed to make him look intelligent.(until he speaks(mumbles)) that is. He needs more speech practice and fake emotions therapy.
 
Just looking at Essendon vs Carlton last season from a different angle, how about describing Carlton fans as having a "lack of faith in their side"? After all, can anybody remember ANY Carlton fan lining up for Grand Final tickets *before* the Preliminary Final last season? It was all either North, Brisbane, or Essendon fans.
 
Yeah, I can't believe people were hanging it on Essendon fans. I mean, if you were 6 games clear of your opponent, of COURSE the supporters would be optimistic of a Grand Final berth. Why wouldn't you want to reserve the best avaiable seat, gien that an Essendon win was the most likely scenario.

Your right Shinboners. The lack of faith of Carlton fans is pathetic
 
When Hawthorn was drawn to play Geelong in the first week, of finals, I didn't think too much about it. Then I remembered.

THE CURSE !!!!

The curse basicaly follows the patter that if Hawthorn play Geelong and the match is either a.) close, or b.) importnat, then Hawthorn will win.

If the match is one-sided and unimportant, then Geelong will win.

Just go back to the first post and have a look at the curse. I will be watching on Friday with interest. I hope Geelong wins. it would be fitting. They have finished higher than Hawthorn, and desperately deserve a win agaisnt them, after the heartache that the Hawks have put them through over the last 12 years.
 
At the start of this topic I listed 10 games, where the curse was prevelant.

I can't believe a forgot one (a famous one too)....number 11

11.) Round 22 1987. Gelong needs to beat Hawthorn at Kardinia Park and they will make the finals. If they lose, they will miss the final 5. Geelong lead all day, but in the dying moments, Hawthorn get a late goal, and win by three points.

Geelong miss the finals. Once again, it was CLOSE, and IMPORTANT and the Hawks did it to the Cats. How many close matches have that mob won against the Catters
 
Thanks for reigniting this topic Dan. Much appreciated.

Round 22 1987. If the truth be known, this was probably the game when the curse first struck. If think at that stage, Geelong had a record of 60-40 against the Hawks in overall battles. Currently it sits something like 65-64. From that moment on, Dunstall averaged about 8 goals a game against Geelong for the remaider of his career.

I have to admit with 11 seconds left on Saturday, I had a DE JA VU thinking back to that game when Kelly cleared from the middle, thank God Scarlet got his fist to the ball and that siren went when it did.

Who knows, it may become a watershed game that Geelong's fortunes have changed for all time now we've won a close game to make the finals.

Hopefully Geelong do win, because I reckon we deserve another crack at the Kangaroos. It would be fitting if we could knock them out
 
I reckon they're finally going to do it - don't know why - reckon both teams will be good next year - but just think Geelong aren't full of themselves anymore - they win as a team without relying on stars.

Mind you if Chick, Croad, Crawford, Barker, Thompson etc go off then it could be all over by half time.

Dutch

PS. Got a soft spot for the pussycats and I've hated Hawthorn since Colin Robertson dropped Timmy behind play in the 83 GF.. old grudge but still.... grrrrr
 
Dutchy,
I would love to see the hawks win but only for FISH, if they do that it is possible that he might play 100 games for the hawks a sensational effort for him at his second club. Also I used to hate them in the 80's but as time has gone on i have developed a soft spot from them ever since the 1991 Grand Final, As i Hate the eagles more than any onther side. Or more importantly their supporters.
 
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