Heading into 2022 - make the big calls

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Norm Smith Medallist
Aug 18, 2015
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I was thinking about this today and I'm wondering what a reasonable expectation is for Libba for 2022 and beyond?

He will be 30 in May but as we know it's dangerous to discuss the decline of a player based on age. Everyone is different. Boak and Mundy are playing extremely well in their mid 30s and a lot of that has to do with their elite work ethic. Libba has a good work ethic too and this could prolong his career. If genes are anything to go by, he could follow in his father's footsteps and play into his mid 30s.

The two knee reconstructions could catch up to him, or they could actually prolong his career. He has been in the system for 11 seasons but has only played in nine of those seasons. That's less wear and tear on his body.

I'm still hopeful we get another two to three years of very good football from Libba. There's no reason why he can't continue to perform at a high standard if he doesn't get injured. Am I correct in saying that he doesn't have a history of soft tissue injury? That could be a good thing.
His old man had knee issues but still kept going well into his 30s so he might surprise us all
 

Anja_Nees

Norm Smith Medallist
Aug 14, 2001
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Zero chance the season is not effected by Covid not a big call near 100% certain to happen.
It’s a near certainty.

If a player tests positive mid-week then barring a major policy shift they will have miss at least one match.

I reckon there’ll be sides forced to field sub-par teams with a number of players out or go without stars in a blockbuster, and at some point a side might not be able to field a team.

If there’s another boom in cases in the middle of winter I can see capacity limits, but hopefully no more crowdless games.
 

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Anja_Nees

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I have it on good authority that Libba's knees have to be managed throughout the season. He has lighter training loads than the other players etc.
His longevity will inevitably come down to how long the knees can hold up.
Having said that, I think its a mistake to write him off now. He has shown zero signs of slowing down.
I watched him a fair bit last year. You can tell he blows up a bit and needs rest at times.

He’s never been quick or explosive and made his name on strength and smarts, so if his knees don’t degenerate further I can see him maintaining his current output for a few years. It’s basically the opposite of Wood.
 

ScragCity

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if his knees don’t degenerate further

They will/are. It's just the rate of the degeneration and how long he can tolerate it that's the question. I don't think he plays beyond his current contract. My hope is that he can maintain pretty good output for the next two seasons though.
 

Northernsoul74

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They will/are. It's just the rate of the degeneration and how long he can tolerate it that's the question. I don't think he plays beyond his current contract. My hope is that he can maintain pretty good output for the next two seasons though.
With this knowledge the club needs to managing the Dunkley, West and Garcia contract situations.
 

dergert

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Jun 17, 2014
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They will/are. It's just the rate of the degeneration and how long he can tolerate it that's the question. I don't think he plays beyond his current contract. My hope is that he can maintain pretty good output for the next two seasons though.
It's a testament to how good of a player he is. There have been people questioning his commitment throughout his career.. someone who doesn't love the game and his club wouldn't play with f’ed knees.

I wonder how good he could have been without his injuries.
 

dergert

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My last call: Schache will be rock solid gold plated best 22 by the end of next season.

He turned his career around in the recent finals for mine.
 

X_box_X

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I had a dream last night that we played Melbourne (again) in the Grand Final.

They kicked the first two goals, before Nick Riewoldt kicked our first. Garry Lyon was also playing in our forward line and set up the Riewoldt goal. Naughton was also a part of our star studded forward line. Three elite tall forwards with agility.

Melbourne got the next centre clearance and pumped the ball inside their fifty. Jake Lever (playing for us) took an intercept mark, before playing on. He was immediately tackled, and then my alarm went off and interrupted my dream.

When I reflected on this dream, I thought to myself I could see a Dees v Dogs Grand Final again. I hadn't previously given this any consideration, but this wouldn't be an unpopular prediction. Afterall, those two teams according to the bookies are the shortest odds for the 2022 premiership.

It got me thinking back to the last time the same two teams played in the Grand Final in consecutive years. We have to go back 16 years to 2005 - 2006 (Sydney & WCE). Why is this relevant?

Well, in 1986 and 1987, those two Grand Finals were contested between the same two teams (Hawthorn & Carlton). It took another 16 years for a Grand Final to be contested between the teams who played in the previous year's Grand Final (Brisbane & Collingwood).

History to repeat itself?
 
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doggies ftw

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I had a dream last night that we played Melbourne (again) in the Grand Final.

They kicked the first two goals, before Nick Riewoldt kicked our first. Garry Lyon was also playing in our forward line and set up the Riewoldt goal. Naughton was also a part of our star studded forward line. Three elite tall forwards with agility.

Melbourne got the next centre clearance and pumped the ball inside their fifty. Jake Lever (playing for us) took an intercept mark, before playing off. He was immediately tackled, and then my alarm went off and interrupted my dream.

When I reflected on this dream, I thought to myself I could see a Dees v Dogs Grand Final again. I hadn't previously given this any consideration, but this wouldn't be an unpopular decision. Afterall, those two teams according to the bookies are the shortest odds for the 2022 premiership.

It got me thinking back to the last time the same two teams played in the Grand Final in consecutive years. We have to go back 16 years to 2005 - 2006 (Sydney & WCE). Why is this relevant?

Well, in 1986 and 1987, those two Grand Finals were contested between the same two teams (Hawthorn & Carlton). It took another 16 years for a Grand Final to be contested between the teams who played in the previous year's Grand Final (Brisbane & Collingwood).

History to repeat itself?
I had a bulldogs dees grand final dream last night too 😂 we bloody lost again though - can’t even win in my dreams 😩

to be fair about half way through the dream it turned into backyard footy and then there was a giant earthquake so I’m not sure how much we can look into it
 

ScragCity

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I had a bulldogs dees grand final dream last night too 😂 we bloody lost again though - can’t even win in my dreams 😩

to be fair about half way through the dream it turned into backyard footy and then there was a giant earthquake so I’m not sure how much we can look into it

Whenever I dream about footy the match is always being played in the most bizarre places. Often times it's closer to a golf course than a footy oval and it's usually on a steep hill with one side kicking down and the other kicking up.
 

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perro_loco

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I had a bulldogs dees grand final dream last night too 😂 we bloody lost again though - can’t even win in my dreams 😩

to be fair about half way through the dream it turned into backyard footy and then there was a giant earthquake so I’m not sure how much we can look into it
reckon that dream was influenced by the tsunami in Tonga. My thoughts go them.
 

CarnTheScray

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We start the season 5-0. Will tear either Brisbane a new one in the qualifying and then do the same to whatever poor team we play in the prelim. Then we win the flag a week later.
 

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