Analysis Health of the list

[Donakebab]

Sprinkle a bit more sugar on top with more injury woes.

 

[ScrappyCoCo]

Can close this thread and bin it.

 

[Old Campaigner]

At least we made it most of the way through the season before the drugs wore off and everyone got injured this time.

 

[Lore]

Fagan: Precious little luck involved in Lions' charmed injury run

Injury - or the lack of it - has played a significant role in Brisbane's rise but the club has earned its rewards

www.lions.com.au

Bit of a bump but I figure putting it in the non-Essendon thread will inevitably lead back to here anyway.

The Brisbane Lions' remarkable record with injuries is one of the primary reasons it has gone from cellar dweller to premiership contender in 2019.

The Lions have missed fewer games through injury than any other team this year.

Eleven players have played all 22 games (and another four have played 20 or more).

But it hasn't always been that way for the Lions.

Speaking on Tuesday morning ahead of the club's first final in a decade, coach Chris Fagan recalled his very first pre-season session in November 2016.

"There were 37 players there, 25 were in rehab and 12 were doing proper training and I thought "gee, I forgot to ask them that question, how healthy was the list?"

"From that day forward, it was a new medical group and we all started together, that's been addressed and over the course of the last two years we've had a magnificent run with injuries, which I hope continues for the rest of this year and into the future, of course."

The new medical team he speaks of was headed by Peter Blanch.

In truth, the Lions' run with injuries has been exceptional in all three of Fagan's seasons at the helm, but crediting the medical team alone would be wrong.

The high-performance department, led by Damien Austin – who came to the Lions from Sydney under Justin Leppitsch's regime in late 2015 – has also done a remarkable job.

"It's a combination of things," Fagan said of the good run.

"Our players are fit, they're happy, our medical staff do a brilliant job, as do our fitness staff.

"Our boys look after themselves.

"When you put all those things together it usually helps you have a reasonable run with injuries.

"I can't speak highly enough of our medical and fitness group, they've been magnificent pretty much from the day I arrived at the club."

"It's tempting to single out a few but I've got no doubt our strength and conditioning guys play a huge role in that because you build a body that can withstand the rigours of the AFL and a lot of that is done by those guys and the programs they write," he said.

"It just gives us a great chance doesn't it?

"It means there's pressure always on positions. If a man goes down, we've got another one ready to take their place."

Fit and firing Lions

22 games – Charlie Cameron, Darcy Gardiner, Jarryd Lyons, Stefan Martin, Lincoln McCarthy, Daniel McStay, Lachie Neale, Cam Rayner, Daniel Rich, Mitch Robinson, Dayne Zorko

21 games – Eric Hipwood, Hugh McCluggage, Alex Witherden

20 games – Luke Hodge

For comparison: Walla, Merrett and McGrath played 22. Shiel, McKenna and Saad played 21. Parish and Zaharakis played 20.



Having 15 players play 20 or more games is absolutely charmed. That's most of their best 22 playing virtually every game! Must do wonders for the team chemistry and give the coaches a lot more room to play around with the magnets too.

 

[blitzer]

Fagan: Precious little luck involved in Lions' charmed injury run

Injury - or the lack of it - has played a significant role in Brisbane's rise but the club has earned its rewards

www.lions.com.au

Bit of a bump but I figure putting it in the non-Essendon thread will inevitably lead back to here anyway.



For comparison: Walla, Merrett and McGrath played 22. Shiel, McKenna and Saad played 21. Parish and Zaharakis played 20.



Having 15 players play 20 or more games is absolutely charmed. That's most of their best 22 playing virtually every game! Must do wonders for the team chemistry and give the coaches a lot more room to play around with the magnets too.

Unbelieveable run when you consider it. Some of the names too:
Stef Martin playing 22 he's an old ruckman shouldering the load and plays all games.
Hodge plays 20 at what 35 or however old he is.
McCarthy playing every game is truly unbelieveable given Geelong could never get the bloke fit even though Chris Scott was literally raving about how highly he rated him.

I won't deny it. I'm jealous and I hope we get a run like that one year soon.

 

[MattyB3150]

This says it all

 

[Lore]

This says it all

Wonder where the other 10 teams sit. That’s mostly in ladder order of the top 8 other than the dogs being way behind irl compared to where they should be according to that.

 

[PressureCooker]

This says it all

Trying to work out what these figures are. Is it the amount of games played by the players currently sitting on our injury list?

 

[eth-dog]

Trying to work out what these figures are. Is it the amount of games played by the players currently sitting on our injury list?

Amount of games missed this season through injury. Although I'm not a fan of that, it takes a bloke like Noah Gown into consideration despite the fact he was never going to play AFL this year.

 

[PressureCooker]

Amount of games missed this season through injury. Although I'm not a fan of that, it takes a bloke like Noah Gown into consideration despite the fact he was never going to play AFL this year.

I'm not sure that's right either. What do we have, 42 players on the list? 1483/42=35 ie every player on our list would have had to have missed 35 games each. What am I missing?

 

[yodellinhank]

Trying to work out what these figures are. Is it the amount of games played by the players currently sitting on our injury list?

That's how i read it. Fletch has been a huge blow, lucky the rest of the list have all been so healthy. It's remarkable.

 

[Towno78]

Trying to work out what these figures are. Is it the amount of games played by the players currently sitting on our injury list?

Yes. The total number of games experience of everyone unavailable to play first week of finals due to injury.
Describes our current situation perfectly.

 

[PressureCooker]

Yes. The total number of games experience of everyone unavailable to play first week of finals due to injury.
Describes our current situation perfectly.

I did a quick calculation earlier and only got to 600-ish. They must have been including Hepp, String, Hooker, Hurls, Fanta etc that were shown on our injury list but listed as Available or Test.

 

[Towno78]

I did a quick calculation earlier and only got to 600-ish. They must have been including Hepp, String, Hooker, Hurls, Fanta etc that were shown on our injury list but listed as Available or Test.

Hmm, dunno then. Maybe they assume Fletcher is still on the list but just injured...

 

[PressureCooker]

Ah screw it, FINALS BABY!!!!!

 

[mike14]

Figured that this would be the best thread to ask in:
Either through observation or reporting, does anyone know what goes in to a 'fitness test' when it comes to assessing whether a player is right to play? Is there a minimum benchmark that has to be achieved for different injury types based on some formula, or is just kind of made up?

The reason I ask is that the Hurley last night, and JD in early 2018 both passed fitness tests in order to play, but looked miles off it when the game actually started. Are we applying the test incorrectly, not understanding the results correctly, or just making s**t up as we go?

 

[Lore]

Figured that this would be the best thread to ask in:
Either through observation or reporting, does anyone know what goes in to a 'fitness test' when it comes to assessing whether a player is right to play? Is there a minimum benchmark that has to be achieved for different injury types based on some formula, or is just kind of made up?

The reason I ask is that the Hurley last night, and JD in early 2018 both passed fitness tests in order to play, but looked miles off it when the game actually started. Are we applying the test incorrectly, not understanding the results correctly, or just making s**t up as we go?

It’s not like an exam where everyone does the same test for the same injury and you pass or fail. It seems to be more like getting a sick note, except one that says you’re fit to work/play rather than unfit for work. Different from different doctors/specialists. The main thing is that in their medical opinion they believe you’ve recovered sufficiently to go about your duties.

They seem to test top speed running and change of direction for soft tissue leg injuries and range of motion for joints, but idk if that’s the same every time. They also consult specialists or surgeons when they’ve been involved in significant injuries. In the injury update they talk about just getting through training or completing match sim/VFL game before being declared fit for AFL after a long layoff, so that seems to be a hurdle as well.

So basically just whether they can get through a game without causing further injury (even if that means heavy strapping)?

Doesn’t mean they’re 110% in brilliant health. I suspect some of them haven’t been 110% for years...

 

[mike14]

It’s not like an exam where everyone does the same test for the same injury and you pass or fail. It seems to be more like getting a sick note, except one that says you’re fit to work/play rather than unfit for work. Different from different doctors/specialists. The main thing is that in their medical opinion they believe you’ve recovered sufficiently to go about your duties.

They seem to test top speed running and change of direction for soft tissue leg injuries and range of motion for joints, but idk if that’s the same every time. They also consult specialists or surgeons when they’ve been involved in significant injuries. In the injury update they talk about just getting through training or completing match sim/VFL game before being declared fit for AFL after a long layoff, so that seems to be a hurdle as well.

So basically just whether they can get through a game without causing further injury (even if that means heavy strapping)?

Doesn’t mean they’re 110% in brilliant health. I suspect some of them haven’t been 110% for years...

Cheers.
It all just seems very random and 'non-professional' when, for so many, there is so much riding on professional sport these days

 

[Lore]