Analysis Help for Schache and Boyd?

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hoianbulldog

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I want your opinions guys, I know some of you are gonna bag me and call me a muppet, I don’t care. But, I’m a very passionate supporter of our club, and I’m not afraid to say it as it is. The question that I want to ask, and it shits me that this doesn’t happen is this. We have no.1 and no.2 draft pick, key tall forwards at the club. One, Boyd has had physical and mental health issues holding him back, Schache also, but why don’t we employ specialist coaches or mentors say a Wayne Carey, Mathew Lloyd or Brereton to show these guys how it’s done? I know I’ve said this before, but Jesus Christ. The first time in my time, nearly 40 years of following the Dogs, we’ve got two big key forwards who were highly rated, we don’t get them any extra help. Now, I don’t want to hear sarcasm or bullshit responses. Please be half decent with your opinions. Cheers
Why not use Chris Grant to do some mentoring?
 

lachy

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Firstly Schache is not and never will be a KPP. Build his fitness and he works hard on his defensive pressure he plays as a dangerous HFF or FP. Being the third or fourth banana is different to being one of the KPP's.

As for Boyd, could actually start by playing him there for at least 80% of his time on the ground which is yet to happen. With Naughton also developing as a KPF it is likely he will get the second best tall.

Once they are actually played in their best positions having someone or a couple of mentors develop them makes sense as there is focus and clarity on what they are actually being developed as
 

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I'm interested to see how Boyd goes with the new 6-6-6 rule out of the goal square. We know he needs to improve his game but if we get it in quick even with our atrocious inside fifty bombs he gives us that presence and might have more chance of clunking a few being one on one.
 

Munnez

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Yeah, but it can’t hurt to try things out and get them some extra mentoring. If you have a Ferrari and a Lamborghini, and they’re not working well, do you just let them rot in the garage? Or do you take them to a specialist to get them fixed?
They are still only young in Terms of KPF with some assistance I feel that they could be a long term forward pairing. Get them some help at least then we would know for sure if they can make it!
 

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Naughton - #1 tall forward
Boyd - #2 tall forward/20% in the ruck
Schache - Not a traditional tall, more a well skilled 3rd tall
English - #1 ruck

I think that is the nucleus for what we go for. It may not be good yet, but all of those players have high ceilings, and need games to realise their potential. In 3 years it has the potential to be the best spine in the league.

Building around that though, we obviously need to be mindful of pace and defensive pressure in general. At the moment we play Dickson, Lloyd, and Gowers as mid sized forwards. With this set up you'd only have 1, and they would need to either be pacey and apply good pressure, or take their turn in the midfield rotation. I'm not sure Gowers can do either, but the other two will be gone by then. A pacey small forward is a definite need too.

CHF: Mid-rotation, Naughton, Schache
FF: Mid-forward, Boyd, Pacey small forward
 

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cecil

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I think we’re all looking forward to Naughton and Boyd in the forward line!
They should complement each other well. Naughton with his intensity and contested marking when 3rd up, but not as good 1-on-1 and shouldn't ruck. Boyd who is underrated 1-on-1 (almost always splits the contest), can ruck to a decent level, and has solid skills. We just need to get out of the thinking that they need to kick 50-60 each. If Naughton and Boyd both kick 40 goals in a year we play finals.
 

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Boyd will do more for Naughtons game than Schache ever will. Boyd the more natural deeper option and also Boyd has this ability to draw multiple defenders. It’s not due to his quality but rather his size that is like a magnet for opposition players. Should allow Naughton a more regular free jump at the footy.

Obviously Boyd the superior ruck option than Schache as well.
 

TiAn_

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Would love for us to give Naughton, Boyd and Schache with smalls around them a go for at least a period. Would like to be sure it can’t work rather than never try.
 

cecil

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Boyd will do more for Naughtons game than Schache ever will. Boyd the more natural deeper option and also Boyd has this ability to draw multiple defenders. It’s not due to his quality but rather his size that is like a magnet for opposition players. Should allow Naughton a more regular free jump at the footy.

Obviously Boyd the superior ruck option than Schache as well.
It's hard to judge Boyd as a forward, because he hasn't played their consistently since early 2016. I still think with a decent run at it he will be fine for 30 goals. People may not think that's a lot, but it'd make him one of the best second ruck/kpf's in the league
 

Dogsman16

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It's hard to judge Boyd as a forward, because he hasn't played their consistently since early 2016. I still think with a decent run at it he will be fine for 30 goals. People may not think that's a lot, but it'd make him one of the best second ruck/kpf's in the league
All he needs to do is provide 25 goals, a decent secondary ruck option and a contested marking threat.

Not asking him to kick 45+. A goal a game (maybe slightly better) is all I’m asking.
 

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Naughton - #1 tall forward
Boyd - #2 tall forward/20% in the ruck
Schache - Not a traditional tall, more a well skilled 3rd tall
English - #1 ruck

I think that is the nucleus for what we go for. It may not be good yet, but all of those players have high ceilings, and need games to realise their potential. In 3 years it has the potential to be the best spine in the league.

Building around that though, we obviously need to be mindful of pace and defensive pressure in general. At the moment we play Dickson, Lloyd, and Gowers as mid sized forwards. With this set up you'd only have 1, and they would need to either be pacey and apply good pressure, or take their turn in the midfield rotation. I'm not sure Gowers can do either, but the other two will be gone by then. A pacey small forward is a definite need too.

CHF: Mid-rotation, Naughton, Schache
FF: Mid-forward, Boyd, Pacey small forward
Agree. It’s why I started the thread about the spine. We have a seriously good spine in the making, but I’m starting to get worried we (Bevo) will completely balls up the opportunity...
 

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I would love for Reiwoldt do some work with Schache, I think he could offer him a lot.
If Riewoldt started his career in today's game he would be either a wingman or midfielder with pitch hit forward ability like Bont and Fyfe. It's hard for a key forward whose game is running the opponent off his feet to have the impact in the team defence era. My bet is that Lukosius ends up further up the ground as well.

All of those guys are far better athletes and read/naturally involve themselves in the game far better than Schache.
 

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Lyon basically invented the 'do nothing but defend' strategy with Riewolt playing for him. That was one of the tough things about playing on Riewolt - both teams would be down one end of the ground and when the saints got the rebound, riewolt would be one of the first into their F50
 

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I've noticed form the last quarter against Collingwood and the whole game against Carlton, the opposition focus is blocking Naughton's run and jump. He needs to find a way around it, another trick, or his teammates need to help him out here.
 

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I've noticed form the last quarter against Collingwood and the whole game against Carlton, the opposition focus is blocking Naughton's run and jump. He needs to find a way around it, another trick, or his teammates need to help him out here.
Easy to concentrate on Naughton without Shack up there and V.V?

Pretty sharp learning curve for a guy who is in his 2nd season and new to the forward line.
 

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Easy to concentrate on Naughton without Shack up there and V.V?

Pretty sharp learning curve for a guy who is in his 2nd season and new to the forward line.
Bloody oath it is. And he has the ability too which is the promising thing. If you were picking an under 21 side he'd be the first picked in the forward line.
 

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