Society & Culture Help me win $5000

[Matele]

I wouldn't know about playlists being similar or not because I don't listen to either of these stations to come to a conclusion..

what is undeniable though is the aesthetic of both stations are so similar that it's impossible to tell what station is on until they played an ID track..

when I was growing up, you could tell instantly whether the station was Austereo or JJJ purely by the way it sounded...

I get what you mean. You definitely get the same sorta feeling listening to NOVA and JJJ.

Rationally thinking, Taylor Swift doesn't need to be included into the hottest 100. Because she's a popular artist.

My take on Triple J, is that its whole existence is to promote Australian and international artists who, for a multitude of reasons, wouldn't normally be heard by a mass audience (be it because of genre, image etc). Triple J represents the talent 'ignored' by mainstream music, because their sound doesn't fit in with the current trend.

Taylor Swift is the absolute antithesis of what Triple J represents. She's a huge pop music superstar, her music and image is constantly being pushed 24/7. I don't see how it's fair that her music is included.

Not saying I'd be super pissed or anything if she made it. But it opens up the Hottest 100 to becoming something like Take 40.

 

[El_Scorcho]

I think generally the presenters are different enough, but in 2015, musically both JJJ and Nova are appealing to similar markets.

Part of that is Nova trying to muscle in on traditional JJJ territory, but equally Triple J opening itself up to the Nova market. The Hottest 100 is the worst example of this with anyone predicting a top 10 having to seriously consider Triple J's musical crossover with commercial radio, because a lot of people who vote in the hottest 100 don't listen to Triple J.

 

[WCErevival]

People that love Nova usually hate JJJ. Think that shows they are still different enough. Most of the music I hear on JJJ isn't on any of the mainstream stations apart from a handful of songs and JJJ usually played them before they became too popular.

 

[Scotland]

I find Triple J painful these days. I've seen a few people posting phantom top 10s on facebook and I recognise maybe 1 in 10 songs. Hilltop Hoods FTW, I hope.

What I've noticed with the 4 major commercial stations over here is that they're sort of blurring together. Stuff like Taylor Swift, Meghan Trainor, 5 Seconds of Summer would've been completely out of place on 94.5 or 96FM a few years ago but now gets plenty of airplay. You don't get the dance stuff like Timmy Trumpet etc., but anything pop that starts to get ridiculous airplay on Nova/92.9 finds its way onto 94.5/96 quick smart.

 

[DrKrieger]

...a lot of people who vote in the hottest 100 don't listen to Triple J.

This is more the issue IMHO with the Hottest 100, people, for whatever reason, feel the urge to vote (maybe because it's an Australia Day tradition of sorts for many to listen to the countdown) but when they load the voting page they find they only recognise a handful of songs, so they vote for those, like Somebody I Used to Know by Gotye, that have made the crossover to the pop music stations.

I don't really listen any more, so I don't bother voting, but I know a lot of people do. The Swift thing isn't that big a deal IMHO, if it wins it'll get played on JJJ at least once (even if it's during the countdown). As someone else said earlier, if they're going to change the rules, do it next year, and let this one run its course.

Side note, I miss your "we love portz" gif

 

[Norwegian Blue]

Taylor Swift is the absolute antithesis of what Triple J represents. She's a huge pop music superstar, her music and image is constantly being pushed 24/7.

Just like Oasis when they won 20 years ago.

 

[King Elvis]

This is the KFC post in question.

That'd be ****ing pissweak if that's the justification they use to pull it.

 

[ManWithNoName]

That'd be ******* pissweak if that's the justification they use to pull it.

Especially given their T&C's say they can pull a song for no reason if they want to. If they want to pull it because they're hipster snobs, then just say so. Don't try and use that as justification.

 

[ManWithNoName]

I get what you mean. You definitely get the same sorta feeling listening to NOVA and JJJ.

Rationally thinking, Taylor Swift doesn't need to be included into the hottest 100. Because she's a popular artist.

My take on Triple J, is that its whole existence is to promote Australian and international artists who, for a multitude of reasons, wouldn't normally be heard by a mass audience (be it because of genre, image etc). Triple J represents the talent 'ignored' by mainstream music, because their sound doesn't fit in with the current trend.

Taylor Swift is the absolute antithesis of what Triple J represents. She's a huge pop music superstar, her music and image is constantly being pushed 24/7. I don't see how it's fair that her music is included.

Not saying I'd be super pissed or anything if she made it. But it opens up the Hottest 100 to becoming something like Take 40.

Bruno Mars?

 

[Spuddage]

Especially given their T&C's say they can pull a song for no reason if they want to. If they want to pull it because they're hipster snobs, then just say so. Don't try and use that as justification.

Defeated by KFC...

Oh the irony!

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I think generally the presenters are different enough, but in 2015, musically both JJJ and Nova are appealing to similar markets.

Part of that is Nova trying to muscle in on traditional JJJ territory, but equally Triple J opening itself up to the Nova market. The Hottest 100 is the worst example of this with anyone predicting a top 10 having to seriously consider Triple J's musical crossover with commercial radio, because a lot of people who vote in the hottest 100 don't listen to Triple J.

I listen to both (usually JJJ in the car and Nova is always on at work) and I don't think they're alike at all. I think you could listen to the next 10 songs on JJJ and you'd be lucky to hear one that was played on Nova.

 

[Gibbsy]

Bruno Mars?

Not really the same thing. Even a couple of weeks ago when Lewi McKirdy played "Uptown Funk" on his show he said something along the lines of "this song will probably be the only time you'll ever hear Bruno Mars on this station". It's only getting played because it's a Mark Ronson track, and Ronson has been a favourite of JJJ for many years (he polled quite well in the 2010 H100).

If it was a Bruno Mars solo song – for better or worse – JJJ wouldn't have touched it with a barge pole

 

[Cotchin 9]

All it deserved.

 

[ManWithNoName]

So not DQ'd

http://www.theage.com.au/entertainm...-disqualification-claims-20150121-12uvor.html

But I'm still tipping a finish in the 70s.

 

[swiftdog]

This is more the issue IMHO with the Hottest 100, people, for whatever reason, feel the urge to vote (maybe because it's an Australia Day tradition of sorts for many to listen to the countdown) but when they load the voting page they find they only recognise a handful of songs, so they vote for those, like Somebody I Used to Know by Gotye, that have made the crossover to the pop music stations.

I don't really listen any more, so I don't bother voting, but I know a lot of people do. The Swift thing isn't that big a deal IMHO, if it wins it'll get played on JJJ at least once (even if it's during the countdown). As someone else said earlier, if they're going to change the rules, do it next year, and let this one run its course.

Side note, I miss your "we love portz" gif

No doubt this plays a huge part in it. It's funny that some people that are pretty quick to point out the cliches of the hottest 100 being nothing more than a popularity contest, hipster snobs etc etc not realising that the hottest 100 has become somewhat of a quasi "best 100" songs of the year due to the abundance of non-triple J listeners voting. Not the "hipsters" fault that "non-hipsters" felt the urge to vote in a "hipster" hottest 100. Of course, these same people can't grasp the concept that you don't need to be a hipster to listed to triple J but anyway.

Especially given their T&C's say they can pull a song for no reason if they want to. If they want to pull it because they're hipster snobs, then just say so. Don't try and use that as justification.

Reasons why Taylor Swift may be pulled from the hottest 100:

1) 'Shake It Off' has never been played on triple J
2) Taylor Swift has never been played on triple J
3) Many votes for Taylor Swift have been generated via a social media campaign and/or with a "**** triple J/hipsters" spiteful mentality.

It's the combination of all 3 that could lead to it being pulled (I don't particularly care either way), it's really not a hard concept to grasp. I've seen the words 'snob' and 'elitism' thrown around to describe triple J as of late. However, there's nothing more elitist that deeming that a song not on the shortlist (for perfectly valid reasons) should be in the count followed by starting a mass social media campaign to get said song played during the count for spiteful reasons. For some reason Taylor Swift fans and/or triple J haters think of themselves as high and mighty enough to force a group of people to listen to what they listen to. In the same breath these people call triple J elitist hipster hypocritical snobs. Most of these people are too idiotic to realise the irony and hypocrisy of what they're doing.

Taylor Swift being played isn't going to ruin my day by any stretch (mainly because 'shake it off' is a ripper pop track). But the people that vote for it just to piss off triple J listeners under the guise of anything other than "I'm just a bit of a prick" start to piss me off. At least you've been able to say you voted to win some cash, better than most of the people.

 

[radiojake]

is there actually such a thing as a 'non-hipster'

I mean, I thought it was pretty much impossible to avoid that tag if someone wants to stick it on you -


for what it's worth, the word pisses me off because it doesn't actually mean anything anymore...

 

[ManWithNoName]

Reasons why Taylor Swift may be pulled from the hottest 100:

1) 'Shake It Off' has never been played on triple J
2) Taylor Swift has never been played on triple J

Both irrelevant. Plenty of songs have made the 100 before without being played on Triple J during the year and you know it.

 

[radiojake]

Both irrelevant. Plenty of songs have made the 100 before without being played on Triple J during the year and you know it.

I'm not really invested in whether Taylor makes it or not, I won't be listening either way

but what songs have made the list before that weren't played during the year?

 

[swiftdog]

Both irrelevant. Plenty of songs have made the 100 before without being played on Triple J during the year and you know it.

As I said, it's a combination of all 3, meaning that Taylor Swift's 'Shake It Off' meets all three criteria. You're not wrong that plenty of songs have made the count that haven't been played on the station, the difference is that the likes of the Foo Fighters are/were still played on Triple J even if 'Wheel's didn't get played, Taylor Swift isn't. Not to mention that a song like 'Wheels' hasn't benefited from a mass social media campaign to generate votes out of spite/whatever.

Interestingly enough, 'Chandelier' by Sia will make it and is expected to poll pretty well. As far as I know it's never been played on Triple J either and isn't receiving any backlash whatsoever. The difference between 'Chandelier' and 'Shake It Off'? Sia gets played on Triple J, Taylor Swift doesn't. 'Shake It Off' is benefiting from a mass social media campaign, 'Chandelier' isn't.

Pretty obvious differences between the two.

 

[gutsroy]

I'm not really invested in whether Taylor makes it or not, I won't be listening either way

but what songs have made the list before that weren't played during the year?

Not sure how authoritative this article (link below) is, but it states that 'Alanis Morissette, Green Day, U2 and the Foo Fighters have all had songs in past Hottest 100 rankings that did not get airtime on the station' and that it was released within the timeframe of eligibility to be included in this year's poll(?)

http://www.theguardian.com/music/20...-spoken-but-will-triple-js-hottest-100-listen

 

[UncleLeo]

She's no chance of winning it sorry.

 

[Hate]

http://musicfeeds.com.au/news/someone-put-taylor-swift-vocals-over-your-hottest-100-favourites/

 

[El_Scorcho]

I'm not a Swift fan or anything but it's not like we're talking about a talentless production line shell who is famous because she had the right look like Katy Perry or One Direction.

She's one of the biggest names in music at the moment on the back of consistent clever and catchy pop songwriting that she primarily does herself.

This isn't the insult to good music that Triple J listeners are taking it as.

 

[NotAMagpieBogan]

She's no chance of winning it sorry.

What did poor Uncle Leo do to get banned so quickly?

 

[Illinois Nazi]

What did poor Uncle Leo do to get banned so quickly?

They discovered it was really Auntie Thelma.