.....HendoMANIA!!!!

[The Smith Revolution]

Good point - kicking four goals straight is his blessing - if Hendo kicks us 40 odd like him yes - can win GF. Not in defence for me

 

[SydCrow]

Hendo's mum is a single parent, it's family reasons re his brother that is his concern, obviously that can't be discussed in this forum as that really is none of our business.

I have no problem at all with players wanting trades for personal reasons. Gunston on the other hand ...

 

[Allefgib]

I have no problem at all with players wanting trades for personal reasons. Gunston on the other hand ...

Look I was as disappointed and pissed off as most when he left.

But you can't argue he didn't leave for personal reasons...

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

You forget Crouch, wasn't Crouch part of the Gunston trade too? Should have received a top 16 draft pick for a talent like Gunstons.

Nahhhh Crouch was pretty much Phil Davis + our first round pick (pick 10 or so) for Brad Crouch and Luke Brown...

TBH that is a good deal as we had no influence over what we got for Phil Davis.

 

[Campbell's Chunky]

Also just a thought...usually you would let someone go if they are surplus to our needs. Ricky Henderson, tall rebounding defender who excelled when Reilly went down...did we realise that one of them had to go and Reilly had just been given a contract, Henderson would fetch more and is open to a trade home??

Hope not as I get the feeling Reilly's best is behind him and will become a liability.

 

[Elder van Berlo]

Getting slightly off topic here, but I've posted elsewhere about my concerns with trying to shoehorn Tex, Jenkins, Lynch and Johnston into the same forward line next year. Assuming Hendo goes, can Johnston play the third tall/loose half back role? I didn't catch all of yesterday's SANFL prelim, but he seemed to marshal things pretty well back there.

The more I think about it, the more similarities I see between Johnston and Andrew Mackie. He would obviously also be capable of swinging forward in an emergency.

 

[beartoo]

Getting slightly off topic here, but I've posted elsewhere about my concerns with trying to shoehorn Tex, Jenkins, Lynch and Johnston into the same forward line next year. Assuming Hendo goes, can Johnston play the third tall/loose half back role? I didn't catch all of yesterday's SANFL prelim, but he seemed to marshal things pretty well back there.

The more I think about it, the more similarities I see between Johnston and Andrew Mackie. He would obviously also be capable of swinging forward in an emergency.

Good call. He took a couple of good saving marks and showed some dash while back yesterday.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Getting slightly off topic here, but I've posted elsewhere about my concerns with trying to shoehorn Tex, Jenkins, Lynch and Johnston into the same forward line next year. Assuming Hendo goes, can Johnston play the third tall/loose half back role? I didn't catch all of yesterday's SANFL prelim, but he seemed to marshal things pretty well back there.

The more I think about it, the more similarities I see between Johnston and Andrew Mackie. He would obviously also be capable of swinging forward in an emergency.

Not sure if LJ covers the ground as well as Mackie

 

[Mismatched]

Not sure if LJ covers the ground as well as Mackie

Agreed, probably doesn't have the shut down game either, but he is tall, decent grab, an elite field kick and is the kin of player who would excel in that kind of role. It's the kind of role that needs a player with some arrogance and confidence in their own abilities. Similar to Hendo, could also be thrown forward at a pinch to create a mismatch.

I certainly think he'll struggle to get a game up forward if Tex, Jenkins and Lynch are fit.

 

[dylan123]

Agreed, probably doesn't have the shut down game either, but he is tall, decent grab, an elite field kick and is the kin of player who would excel in that kind of role. It's the kind of role that needs a player with some arrogance and confidence in their own abilities. Similar to Hendo, could also be thrown forward at a pinch to create a mismatch.

I certainly think he'll struggle to get a game up forward if Tex, Jenkins and Lynch are fit.

Few swingmen between the likes of Lynch (played HBF at his time in the VFL when he was with St.Kilda), Otten and LJ (who at first we said would be playing in the backline).

His kicking on goal is almost too good to waste by not having him in the forward line though.

 

[SydCrow]

Look I was as disappointed and pissed off as most when he left.

But you can't argue he didn't leave for personality reasons...

efa and I hope you know the difference

 

[Tex Danger]

Few swingmen between the likes of Lynch (played HBF at his time in the VFL when he was with St.Kilda), Otten and LJ (who at first we said would be playing in the backline).

His kicking on goal is almost too good to waste by not having him in the forward line though.

Will be interesting where Johnston is played in the ressies. IT could well be he is played down back if he is seen as surplus and too far down the pecking order to have a career here as a forward. Or has his perfomrances as a fwd (at SANFL, thought he was decent but didnt show as much as some here would like to suggest at AFL) convinced the club otherwise of their initial plan when drafting him as a defender and he really is kept on the list for fwd depth now.

 

[Allefgib]

efa and I hope you know the difference

Absolutely.

And I tend to share the view of his leaving being piss poor. But they are personal reasons.

 

[Allefgib]

Maric left for personal reasons as well - we don't pot him.
Gunston left for his own reasons and would probably feel fairly justified given he is now an premiership player - and a massive contributor in that flag too.

Maric wanted more playing opportunities.
Gunston wanted.. who knows, mummy is the popular view, but maybe it was success and he now has it.

We can't say Maric's views were valid and Gunston's not.

HOW they did it - seperate discussion and jacky boy is a right old campaigner IMO on the HOW.

 

[cmndstab]

HOW they did it - seperate discussion and jacky boy is a right old silly IMO on the HOW.

Dead right. I don't mind Gunston wanting to go home. We've benefited from other players doing the exact same thing before.

But there is a way of leaving without being a cowardly prick about it.

 

[Tyls83]

Hendo is good mates with Gunston, what's the bet Hawthorn have already been pissing in his ear. The Hawks are like Collingwood, they nearly always get what they want.


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[Allefgib]

Hendo is good mates with Gunston, what's the bet Hawthorn have already been pissing in his ear. The Hawks are like Collingwood, they nearly always get what they want.


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How good are the Hawks at building what they want. Watching the last quarter on the weekend I rattled off over a third of their named 18 who had been brought to the club from elsewhere and were massively important to winning that flag. I'm not sure we could say the same even back in 97/98 (but I'd have to sit down and think through it to make sure).

Gotta admire that - and quite frankly I'm quite envious of it. Now, if we can snare Betts and win a flag in the next few years I guess we can say the same for Betts, Jacobs, Lynch, Brown (not sure he qualifies..), Jenkins. Keep up the good work Nobes!

 

[I Lost My Keays]

If we do get Melbournes second rounder for Hendo I can't see us trading that pick.

 

[Tex Danger]

If we do get Melbournes second rounder for Hendo I can't see us trading that pick.

was juts saying the myself this morning

I think we may try and package McKernan/Lyons with maybe a 3rd/4th rounder for a 2nd rounder and use that if needed.

If we get a high 2nd rounder like that I think we will keep it as it would be overs for what is needed to get polec (assuming port arent offering their 1st and even then if he nominates us it wont matter so much). If we were chasing Lycett then obviously that pick would become a large factor in that.

If Polec nominates us and Port are offering their 2nd rounder I think we will try offer our 3rd and make that get the deal done using the leverage we will have (PSD, his preferred option) and at worst on trade a pick that is between their 2nd and our 3rd if we got one.

 

[I Lost My Keays]

was juts saying the myself this morning

I think we may try and package McKernan/Lyons with maybe a 3rd/4th rounder for a 2nd rounder and use that if needed.

If we get a high 2nd rounder like that I think we will keep it as it would be overs for what is needed to get polec (assuming port arent offering their 1st and even then if he nominates us it wont matter so much). If we were chasing Lycett then obviously that pick would become a large factor in that.

If Polec nominates us and Port are offering their 2nd rounder I think we will try offer our 3rd and make that get the deal done using the leverage we will have (PSD, his preferred option) and at worst on trade a pick that is between their 2nd and our 3rd if we got one.

If we give Melbournes 2nd rounder *18th pick* to Brisbane for Polec we will definatly be paying overs. Like you said with packaging a player with a pick that would work

 

[Elite Crow]

If we do get Melbournes second rounder for Hendo I can't see us trading that pick.

If we give Melbournes 2nd rounder *18th pick* to Brisbane for Polec we will definatly be paying overs. Like you said with packaging a player with a pick that would work

Considering Trigg has publicly stated Polec is worth a late first rounder, it would make it pretty hard not to.

 

[Mismatched]

Hendo is good mates with Gunston, what's the bet Hawthorn have already been pissing in his ear. The Hawks are like Collingwood, they nearly always get what they want.


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I'm not entirely sure how pissing in his ear would help convince him to join their club? Each to their own I suppose...

But yes, wouldn't surprise if te Hawks were keen, they do like their skillful, taller running players, might possibly offer their first rounder for him.

 

[Tex Danger]

Considering Trigg has publicly stated Polec is worth a late first rounder, it would make it pretty hard not to.

yeah I can see Brisbanes recruiters saying- no deal, your CEO said this on local radio

All Triggs comments would have been doing is trying to build hype amongst the supporters and possibly make it look like we got an even bigger bargain if we do get him for a reasonable deal

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Sorry Kane we actually had the upper hand in this trade. If both Hawthorn and Gunston wanted each other than we had the option of the pre-season draft (and the threat of Melbourne) to make sure we actually came out in front.

Since when does a club have the upper hand in trading when an uncontracted player walks out on them?

Jacobs when he left Carlton...
Hudson when he left the Crows...

The Crows did OK with this trade, given they did not have the upper hand.

... but carry on living in some fantasy world.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

In the blue corner we've got

Posters who spin every single club decision as incorrect, and poor outcomes are examples of our incompetence

And in the red corner we've got

Posters who spin every single club decision as correct, and poor outcomes are just events and bad luck conspiring against us

And then we've got

Posters who can't understand the rules on the goal kicking game



When three tribes go to war, an infraction point is all you can score...

So which corner am I in Carl?

I gather the 4th one...