Heritage guernsey released

[CaptainDangerfield]

Simple reason for that, Springy ol' jet.

The people who make anti-Port comments in 2006 are the same ones who made the same anti-Port comments in 1996 and 1986.

For instance your typical Glenelg tryhards, who in their Tony Symonds and Super Carey dufflecoats saw the Bays go back-to-back in 85/86 when in a freak accident of Chernobylesque proportions all the planets aligned and the spirit of Mary McKillop winked towards Brighton Road simultaneously.

Just because the 9 SANFL clubs (including Port Adelaide) joined forces under the league's auspices to create a superclub in 1990 - which I supported from the get-go and have been a member of for a decade - doesn't mean my pre-AFL allegiances or feelings have changed.

I've grown up hearing lemon juicers such as yourself bag Port Adelaide FC left and right. It's a natural instinct to defend the club, regardless of current day affiliations - just as you'd still defend your beloved FC Pallindrome to the hilt from naysayers such as myself.

As far as not being as vocal in defence of Adelaide FC, if on the rare occasions I visit the main board and see a post which has clearly resulted from in utero-alcohol exposure I speak up, but yes, I tend to let comments from Port fans go through to the keeper because at the very root of the rivalry I empathise with their motives, even if I don't necessarily agree with the outcomes.

As well as the obvious fact that I don't agree with the hackneyed cliches that are usually thrown back, ie "what's a Power?; Port Power est 1997; wharfie this; paralowie resident that". Unfortunately "Erm, we're not fruit tingles mate" or "Alan Scott, you were right!" just doesn't have the same zing nor accuracy.

Unfortunately Springinha, unlike the pre-1997 SANFL, the world isn't always black and white.

Plenty of anti-Crows sentiment on the Port Power board in the "Crows Heritage Guernsey " thread and most of it "hackneyed cliches" as you say. But yet surpisingly not one word from BigFooty's crusader for the backboned challenged/without spine "I support both Sth Australian Clubs" supporter. Reminds me of a recent cartoon.

"Mom.....Mom......DT won't come out of the closet".
"DT, come out of the closet".

 

[noddy]

For instance your typical Glenelg tryhards, who in their Tony Symonds and Super Carey dufflecoats saw the Bays go back-to-back in 85/86 when in a freak accident of Chernobylesque proportions all the planets aligned and the spirit of Mary McKillop winked towards Brighton Road simultaneously..

Are you not dt displaying the same attitude that you accuse Springy of with this little gem of anti Bay sarcastic comment ??

As for this argy bargy *** for tat that goes on between many of the Port/Crows supporters so what ? let it go as what goes around comes around & i'm sure that sometime in the very distant future the fortunes of both our clubs will reverse in full.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Simple reason for that, Springy ol' jet.

The people who make anti-Port comments in 2006 are the same ones who made the same anti-Port comments in 1996 and 1986.

For instance your typical Glenelg tryhards, who in their Tony Symonds and Super Carey dufflecoats saw the Bays go back-to-back in 85/86 when in a freak accident of Chernobylesque proportions all the planets aligned and the spirit of Mary McKillop winked towards Brighton Road simultaneously.

Just because the 9 SANFL clubs (including Port Adelaide) joined forces under the league's auspices to create a superclub in 1990 - which I supported from the get-go and have been a member of for a decade - doesn't mean my pre-AFL allegiances or feelings have changed.

I've grown up hearing lemon juicers such as yourself bag Port Adelaide FC left and right. It's a natural instinct to defend the club, regardless of current day affiliations - just as you'd still defend your beloved FC Pallindrome to the hilt from naysayers such as myself.

As far as not being as vocal in defence of Adelaide FC, if on the rare occasions I visit the main board and see a post which has clearly resulted from in utero-alcohol exposure I speak up, but yes, I tend to let comments from Port fans go through to the keeper because at the very root of the rivalry I empathise with their motives, even if I don't necessarily agree with the outcomes.

As well as the obvious fact that I don't agree with the hackneyed cliches that are usually thrown back, ie "what's a Power?; Port Power est 1997; wharfie this; paralowie resident that". Unfortunately "Erm, we're not fruit tingles mate" or "Alan Scott, you were right!" just doesn't have the same zing nor accuracy.

Unfortunately Springinha, unlike the pre-1997 SANFL, the world isn't always black and white.

Throwing all of the Crows/Port rivalry on bitter old SANFL fans is the biggest load of garbage ive ever heard. The crows have existed for most of my life, and pretty much as far back as i can remember. As a result of that i dont have a hugely strong affiliation with the Panthers my SANFL team.

This doesnt mean im not passionate about the Crows, and their rivalry with the Power. While i was at school, if the Power won and the Crows didnt, Id hear about it. For all those Showdowns they won in a row, id hear about it. Its only right that when the wheel has turned i dish a little bit out myself.

Im not entirely sure how you can try to suggest that the Crows and the Power have no rivalry of their own. I suppose it was just a few bitter old SANFL players that fought in the Ramsgate?

 

[tribey]

Plenty of anti-Crows sentiment on the Port Power board in the "Crows Heritage Guernsey " thread and most of it "hackneyed cliches" as you say. But yet surpisingly not one word from BigFooty's crusader for the backboned challenged/without spine "I support both Sth Australian Clubs" supporter. Reminds me of a recent cartoon.

"Mom.....Mom......DT won't come out of the closet".
"DT, come out of the closet".

Haven't actually read that thread - to me BigFooty isn't Mediawatch, as much as I get the feeling you'd like it to be.

But would it make you feel better if I rode in like a hero and called them all wharfie scum? What if I mentioned the words 'Centrelink' and 'bogan'? Would that see a smile cross your lips?

Reminds me of a recent cartoon.

"Giggity giggity goo".

Little relevance to the thread at hand, I just like Family Guy.

 

[tribey]

Are you not dt displaying the same attitude that you accuse Springy of with this little gem of anti Bay sarcastic comment ??

That's entertainment, noddy.

If we ever sell Kieron I assure you I'll maintain the rage by changing my moniker to OctoberSilver.

 

[tribey]

Throwing all of the Crows/Port rivalry on bitter old SANFL fans is the biggest load of garbage ive ever heard. The crows have existed for most of my life, and pretty much as far back as i can remember. As a result of that i dont have a hugely strong affiliation with the Panthers my SANFL team.

Hence my previous comments about SANFL rivalries don't apply to you. Simple. I did say the "majority", not "all".

This doesnt mean im not passionate about the Crows, and their rivalry with the Power. While i was at school, if the Power won and the Crows didnt, Id hear about it. For all those Showdowns they won in a row, id hear about it. Its only right that when the wheel has turned i dish a little bit out myself.

Of course.

Im not entirely sure how you can try to suggest that the Crows and the Power have no rivalry of their own. I suppose it was just a few bitter old SANFL players that fought in the Ramsgate?

Of course the Crows and Power have a rivalry of their own. I didn't say any different. However, the root of the rivalry for many supporters aged over say, at least 20, begins with old rivalries in the SANFL.

To suggest the vitriol and hatred directed towards the modern Power and vice-versa started from scratch with the 1997 season is naive.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Of course the Crows and Power have a rivalry of their own. I didn't say any different. However, the root of the rivalry for many supporters aged over say, at least 20, begins with old rivalries in the SANFL.

To suggest the vitriol and hatred directed towards the modern Power and vice-versa started from scratch with the 1997 season is naive.

Im glad youve decided to qualify that somewhat. Saying that the only people who attack the power are the same people who did it in 1986 is obviously untrue.

Im not sure how much of a factor the old SANFL rivalries play in current fans dislike. It should be mentioned though the fact that the longer the crows and power exist, the less weight they hold, since a new generation of fans, who were bred in this Crows/Power environment are going to emerge.

I still think though it would be foolish to suggest that the rivalry is all a SANFL thing. How can you explain former Magpies fans, who stuck with the Crows and have found themselves unable to cheer the power? If they can feel a rivalry with the Power, then its obvious that the SANFL is not the sole source of such a rivalry.

Its a typical Port Adelaide fan response to say that the Crows Power rivalry is a relic from the SANFL, because it implies that its born from some strange bitterness at their sucess. This is not the case, its simply another example of the arrogance that spews from a lot of port supporters. Alot of Crows fans dont like Port fans not because their team was sucessful in the SANFL. They dont like them because they are arrogant.

 

[exe ex machina]

Is there any team out there really that is utterly adorable? Every team and every fanbase has its negatives. Arrogance for some (Cwood), jealousy for others (St Kilda). Some teams/fans are cocky and others suffer short-man syndrome (always trying to knock/troll other teams).

It's also true what Southerntakeover said about rivalry. The more the years go by, the less it has to do with the SANFL and the more it has to do with the AFL itself. Though, I'm sure Dyertribe is also right when he counters that any rivalry would always still have to do with the old SANFL to some extent. Certain grudges or the fall-out of 1990 would still be taught and learnt and passed down. (to some extent).

Btw, I do not understand how a Port Magpies fan pre-1990 could turn into a Crows fan, and remain a Crows fan post-1997. It's still the same Port Adelaide Football Club. Maybe someone can explain that?

 

[tribey]

Im glad youve decided to qualify that somewhat. Saying that the only people who attack the power are the same people who did it in 1986 is obviously untrue.

Well if you weren't around to be anti-Port in 1986 it clearly doesn't apply to you - Springy, Noddy, and co are old stagers and thus it would apply to them, perhaps in varying degrees, but it would.

Im not sure how much of a factor the old SANFL rivalries play in current fans dislike. It should be mentioned though the fact that the longer the crows and power exist, the less weight they hold, since a new generation of fans, who were bred in this Crows/Power environment are going to emerge.

Yes, but again, new generation aside the basis arose out of the SANFL. Be it due to onfield stuff or the so-called great betrayal of 1990.

I still think though it would be foolish to suggest that the rivalry is all a SANFL thing. How can you explain former Magpies fans, who stuck with the Crows and have found themselves unable to cheer the power? If they can feel a rivalry with the Power, then its obvious that the SANFL is not the sole source of such a rivalry.

There are exceptions to every rule. I'm a Port Adelaide man who stuck with the Crows but like to see the Power do well. I take your point, but if the team that had come into the comp in 1997 was the Norwood/Sturt ticket or another composite side, say the Southern Sharks, I don't think the rivalry with the Crows would be anywhere near as strong.

Its a typical Port Adelaide fan response to say that the Crows Power rivalry is a relic from the SANFL, because it implies that its born from some strange bitterness at their sucess. This is not the case, its simply another example of the arrogance that spews from a lot of port supporters. Alot of Crows fans dont like Port fans not because their team was sucessful in the SANFL. They dont like them because they are arrogant.

Bitterness, hatred, arrogance, rivalry, etc - whatever the individual reason for it, the root of the rivalry for fans who had a strong allegiance to their SANFL club prior to the advent of the AFL lies with the old feelings.

Be it the Premierships, be it the arrogance, be it the 'betrayal'.

Having come up free of that dogma you wouldn't have experienced that and thus have a fresher outlook, which is fair enough.

 

[tribey]

Btw, I do not understand how a Port Magpies fan pre-1990 could turn into a Crows fan, and remain a Crows fan post-1997. It's still the same Port Adelaide Football Club. Maybe someone can explain that?

I have done plenty of times.

Do a keyword search if you're interested.

 

[RogerRabbit69]

After 15 years in the AFL, I'd like to think plenty of Crows supporters are over their anti-Port bias (if they ever have one).

Sure, it still exists to varying degrees ... but it's getting weaker every year. The real AFL rivalry that will flourish is between the Port Adelaide FC and the Crows, not Port and every other SANFL side.

I think there's a tendency to slightly overrate Port's SANFL history in terms of how much it actually means to modern-day AFL followers.

 

[noddy]

After 15 years in the AFL, I'd like to think plenty of Crows supporters are over their anti-Port bias (if they ever have one).

Sure, it still exists to varying degrees ... but it's getting weaker every year. The real AFL rivalry that will flourish is between the Port Adelaide FC and the Crows, not Port and every other SANFL side.

I think there's a tendency to slightly overrate Port's SANFL history in terms of how much it actually means to modern-day AFL followers.

I was the black sheep in a family of traditional PA supporters & the rivalry between myself & my brothers at times did reach boiling point but what we did have was a certain degree of mutual respect for the clubs that we followed/supported.

The Crows PAP rivalry was born out of a lot bitterness between all concerned & will take a lot longer than 15 years to evaporate.

In a 2 AFL club town like Adelaide there will always be a strong rivalry that will turn bitter at times but that would not be something abnormal as all over the world the same sort of feelings are being felt by many a clubs supporter base.

As for your sentence in "bold" RR i have a feeling you might receive the same sort of treatment on the PA board as some of us other mere mortals have received lately.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

I was the black sheep in a family of traditional PA supporters & the rivalry between myself & my brothers at times did reach boiling point but what we did have was a certain degree of mutual respect for the clubs that we followed/supported.

The Crows PAP rivalry was born out of a lot bitterness between all concerned & will take a lot longer than 15 years to evaporate.

In a 2 AFL club town like Adelaide there will always be a strong rivalry that will turn bitter at times but that would not be something abnormal as all over the world the same sort of feelings are being felt by many a clubs supporter base.

As for your sentence in "bold" RR i have a feeling you might receive the same sort of treatment on the PA board as some of us other mere mortals have received lately.

Like I said previously, you can't help but respect the old SANFL Port Adelaide Football Club. But you, I and apparently the Port Magpies know that the 3rd rate, multi-guernsey changing Corporation known as the Port Power bears no resemblance to that once great club.

 

[exe ex machina]

Like I said previously, you can't help but respect the old SANFL Port Adelaide Football Club. But you, I and apparently the Port Magpies know that the 3rd rate, multi-guernsey changing Corporation known as the Port Power bears no resemblance to that once great club.

You serious? Explain how it bears no resemblance whatsoever.

 

[RogerRabbit69]

The Crows PAP rivalry was born out of a lot bitterness between all concerned & will take a lot longer than 15 years to evaporate.

In a 2 AFL club town like Adelaide there will always be a strong rivalry that will turn bitter at times but that would not be something abnormal as all over the world the same sort of feelings are being felt by many a clubs supporter base.

As for your sentence in "bold" RR i have a feeling you might receive the same sort of treatment on the PA board as some of us other mere mortals have received lately.

I guess some Port supporters could take it the wrong way. That's up to them. I'm not for one second questioning their heritage, blah blah blah. That wasn't my point.

Take my circumstances as an example. I'm a Norwood supporter. But I don't dislike the Port Adelaide side of today because they beat us in the 1981 SANFL Grand Final. Plenty of water under the bridge since then, most notably the creation of the Crows, which gave me a SA-based AFL side to follow.

I guess I don't hold grudges like some others.

PS Noddy, perhaps I have received the same treatment as other Crows posters on the Port board ......

 

[Macca19]

After 15 years in the AFL, I'd like to think plenty of Crows supporters are over their anti-Port bias (if they ever have one).

Sure, it still exists to varying degrees ... but it's getting weaker every year. The real AFL rivalry that will flourish is between the Port Adelaide FC and the Crows, not Port and every other SANFL side.

Im going to go against the grain and say that the hatred and bitterness will not slowly go by the way side and will continue at the same level now for as long as im alive.

 

[RogerRabbit69]

In hindsight, I probably didn't word it very well, Macca19. I agree there will always be a strong rivalry between Port and the Crows. But I don't think that rival will be borne out of SANFL history, rather AFL history.

 

[sworc36]

In hindsight, I probably didn't word it very well, Macca19. I agree there will always be a strong rivalry between Port and the Crows. But I don't think that rival will be borne out of SANFL history, rather AFL history.

I agree

 

[raboyle]

I still think that SA football's greatest rivalry has been Port Adelaide vs Norwood.

Adelaide vs Port Adelaide has taken over, but that was inevitable.

 

[arrowman]

And the magpie at the top of the crest ....

It's actually a Piping Shrike