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Stiffy_18 said:
Hang on. Aren't we talking about the 1930's state jumper?????? :confused:
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Yes. But it wasn't SOO until the 1970's. Before that it was people who played in South Australia vs people who played in Victoria, Western Australia, New South Wales etc. It wasn't South Australians vs Victorians, West Australians, New South Welshmen etc.
 
musha_13 said:
Yes. But it wasn't SOO until the 1970's. Before that it was people who played in South Australia vs people who played in Victoria, Western Australia, New South Wales etc. It wasn't South Australians vs Victorians, West Australians, New South Welshmen etc.
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Its basically the same thing we have now between SANFL and VFL or SANFL and WAFL.

Still its given to the players that represent the state. If it was the actual state jumper we are using I would be against it but since its the modification of it then thats fine.
 

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Stiffy_18 said:
Its basically the same thing we have now between SANFL and VFL or SANFL and WAFL.

Still its given to the players that represent the state. If it was the actual state jumper we are using I would be against it but since its the modification of it then thats fine.
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For me,
I would not want there to be confusion about whether these guys are wearing a state jumper, because as representatives of the SANFL it is not quite the same thing.

The old guernsey this is based on, bears no resemblance to anything worn in most of our lifetimes. On top of that, it clearly is marked out with the AFC emblems, and does not signify anything to do with a South Australian representation.

I think of the old Big V, as worn by the evil ones (ok, the other evil ones), and that guernsey looks a lot like the carlton one to me. except the state emblem (white V) is removed, and the CFC logo (white CFC) is replaced in the middle. There is no confusion or distress caused, because no one is saying that secretly Carlton represent the Big V.

Any player pulling on an AFC guernsey knows precisely what it means, probably more so, than a victorian ex-pat pulling on a SA guernsey for the next inter league match with the VFL.

I wouldn't be against wearing the 1991 guernsey, and kinda understand where those guys who support that are coming from too, but the Pork just want to assimilate. That, and disguise their real problems - that they made a dodgy handshake deal and now can't have their prison bars. Myself, I always think they should be allowed to be behind bars ;)
 
outback jack said:
yes you are. If port power aligns themselves with port adelaide magpies, then we shall align ourselves with our sanfl heritage, hence the state jumper. Listening to some of the old cronies ramble on, like KG for instance, about state games 30 yrs ago is embarrassing and fairly irreverent. The only state games played atm is VFL vs SANFL, which is technically not a state game anyway, so we have even more right to where it than that lot. Not just that, it’s not even the state jumper we’re using and its based on a design from the 30’s which isn’t even recognizable compared to todays anyway. The only ppl who complain is either port power supporters who are bitter, or traditionalists who are basically against any change for the better.
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Do you know how much crap you just sprouted :rolleyes:

I wouldn't know where to start to counter all the inaccuracies.

Fact is: has the AFC ever worn this jumper in it's history - answer no ! - end of story - it's not appropriate

Marketing excercise pure and simple - let the rationale get us to the conclusion the AFC wants
 
musha_13 said:
As said before it isn't a SOO Jumper. When it was worn in the 1930's it was a state jumper, ie. a team made up of SANFL players or players in other leagues in SA. This means that a Victorian player could have worn this jumper as he was representing a team which was made up of players playing in South Australia, not a team of South Australians.

Therefore, the SANFL is part of our heritage and a jumper worn by a team representing the SANFL should be as well.
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So What!

This logic states that Port Power are equally entitled to use this jumper under your logic - and watch this space now because that will happen.

This logic states that Essendon can wear the Big V jumper

It defies all the rationale behind the introduction of "heritage" week.

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Stiffy_18 said:
Well thats a different story then :o

I am against us wearing a state jumper as such but modified version of it is fine.
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That is soft

So any State Jumper is fine then if we simply add the AFC logo - that makes it OK, That makes it part of the Crows heritage

Sureeeee :rolleyes:
 
Stiffy_18 said:
Its basically the same thing we have now between SANFL and VFL or SANFL and WAFL.

Still its given to the players that represent the state. If it was the actual state jumper we are using I would be against it but since its the modification of it then thats fine.
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:rolleyes:
 
Wayne's-World said:
That is soft

So any State Jumper is fine then if we simply add the AFC logo - that makes it OK, That makes it part of the Crows heritage

Sureeeee :rolleyes:
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so what it makes it a state jumper?

the colours, the logo, the players - what?
 
So is all theyve done is take away the SA insignia and put the AFC insignia on it? Or have they changed the design of the actual guernsey around as well?
 

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Crow-mosone said:
so what it makes it a state jumper?

the colours, the logo, the players - what?
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Cro-Mo there's the obvious implication that it's a State Jumper - otherwise why contemplate it for heritage week - there is no association in that case.

No it's another attempt to have it both ways by saying "well it's not really a state guernsey because we've changed the logo" - in that case there's no relevance at all.

There needs to be some consistency to the argument.

Personally because we have a short history and we have effectively had very minor changes to our jumper - the AFC is looking for opportunities to sell some jumpers, and enhance further it's very strong desire to be a team for all South Australians by trying to draw this very long bow to its origins with the SANFL - But that doesn't mean its right in the context of the original brief behind "Heritage Week"

It also means as I have stated that the Power have equal rights to the same Guernsy.
 
BTW Iam strongly in favour of the Poer being allowed to wear their traditional Black & White Jumper - this is truly their heritage
 
2 points

1.whats the record for most posts in 1 thread as this still has 8 weeks to run.

2.does it really matter who wears what jumper as long as the jumper you are supporting gets more of the ball than the other one.
 
birdmanptr said:
2 points

1.whats the record for most posts in 1 thread as this still has 8 weeks to run.

2.does it really matter who wears what jumper as long as the jumper you are supporting gets more of the ball than the other one.
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Under normal circumstances no - but there is mean't to be a heritage factor in the jumper otherwise lets design a new one like the M&M jumper Carlton had.
 
birdmanptr said:
2 points

1.whats the record for most posts in 1 thread as this still has 8 weeks to run.
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On the general board a few years back there was a thread that was over 2000 posts long. I reckon there might have been another one that was a fair bit bigger than that one too.
 
Wayne's-World said:
That is soft

So any State Jumper is fine then if we simply add the AFC logo - that makes it OK, That makes it part of the Crows heritage

Sureeeee :rolleyes:
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WW
This jumper everyone is jumping up and down about is nearly the same the crows wear during training and nothing is said about that.
Its getting too irrational and traditionists will always moan about not being part of the AFC, however they have the same colours so it could be considered that just by having the same colours they are somehow using a somewhat different interpretation of any state jumper anyhow.
Its just a bloody design.
Have you seen the proposed jumper over there?
By the way it would make a great away jumper. ;)
 

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Markthirtytwo said:
WW
This jumper everyone is jumping up and down about is nearly the same the crows wear during training and nothing is said about that.
Its getting too irrational and traditionists will always moan about not being part of the AFC, however they have the same colours so it could be considered that just by having the same colours they are somehow using a somewhat different interpretation of any state jumper anyhow.
Its just a bloody design.
Have you seen the proposed jumper over there?
By the way it would make a great away jumper. ;)
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Mark all very valid arguments IF there wasn't meant to be a heritage relationship - Thats where the issues kick in.

I agree modify it and use it as an away jumper potentially - no issues - but try to infer it's part of the AFC history - no way
 
Wayne's-World said:
Mark all very valid arguments IF there wasn't meant to be a heritage relationship - Thats where the issues kick in.

I agree modify it and use it as an away jumper potentially - no issues - but try to infer it's part of the AFC history - no way
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WW, you don't seem to understand.

Present all the pedantic arguments you like, dredge up every minute little remote item you want, nobody gives a stuff. Apart from Port supporters, you, Rucci and an odd stray here and there.

The club had gone through all the correct processes, it has approval from the SANFL (it's heritage) and it has approval from the AFL.

As Triggy quite rightly says, he doesn't give a stuff whether Port like it or not. I applaud him for that, because I don't give a stuff either. If anything it makes me happy that it p*sses them off. :D

Lighten up old son, and sit back and enjoy their misery with us, because nobody cares. ;) :D
 
I still fail to see why we should bastardise a state guernsey in a bid to contrive an artificial heritage.

Wear our current home guernsey.

We destroyed the premiers-elect wearing it in our inaugural game.
We won back to back Premierships in it in 1997-1998.

This is our history and our heritage. Not a defaced state guernsey from the days when Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin ruled.
 
macca23 said:
WW, you don't seem to understand.

Present all the pedantic arguments you like, dredge up every minute little remote item you want, nobody gives a stuff. Apart from Port supporters, you, Rucci and an odd stray here and there.

The club had gone through all the correct processes, it has approval from the SANFL (it's heritage) and it has approval from the AFL.

As Triggy quite rightly says, he doesn't give a stuff whether Port like it or not. I applaud him for that, because I don't give a stuff either. If anything it makes me happy that it p*sses them off.

Lighten up old son, and sit back and enjoy their misery with us, because nobody cares. ;) :D
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I understand completely - because it's the business I'm in

Your right nobody care, and yes it has AFL approval ...and so on.....

It doesn't make it right to the average Crow supporter because of the emotional elements - but to objective observers it has to raise a chuckle :)

At the end of the day as you say - I'll sit back with same amusement as the day I watched 22 M&M's run on the ground
 
dyertribe said:
I still fail to see why we should bastardise a state guernsey in a bid to contrive an artificial heritage.

Wear our current home guernsey.

We destroyed the premiers-elect wearing it in our inaugural game.
We won back to Premierships in it in 1997-1998.

This is our history and our heritage. Not a defaced state guernsey from the days when Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin ruled.
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:eek: DT you and I agreeing - it had to happen I guess one day - but you are absolutely SPOT ON ;)



And Centrals, Woodville (or WWT) were not even part of the comp - so the Crows have decided they are not representing these clubs - Based On Their Arguments (or are we now talking SANFL wholelistically)
 
dyertribe said:
I still fail to see why we should bastardise a state guernsey in a bid to contrive an artificial heritage.

Wear our current home guernsey.

We destroyed the premiers-elect wearing it in our inaugural game.
We won back to back Premierships in it in 1997-1998.

This is our history and our heritage. Not a defaced state guernsey from the days when Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin ruled.
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You're confusing history with heritage DT. ;)

DT, the role of any management is to make decisions. The one thing that'll never happen is that they'll satisfy everybody.

The crows have made a decision that makes sense to the majority. And I applaud them for not only making that decision, but for telling that whinging whining bleating mob across town to get stuffed.

Yes, you certainly are entitled to your opinion DT, but in this case you're just going to have to settle for being one of the dissatisfied minority. :)
 

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