Current Trial Hey Dad

[Donners]

I think it's human nature to wish bad things on people who commit such heinous crimes

So much so, it seems, that the hypocrisy of wishing for sex offences to be committed on somebody while at the same time decrying sex offences is missed. If it is facetious, it is a quite inappropriate trivialising of rape. If genuine, it's downright sick.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

So much so, it seems, that the hypocrisy of wishing for sex offences to be committed on somebody while at the same time decrying sex offences is missed. If it is facetious, it is a quite inappropriate trivialising of rape. If genuine, it's downright sick.

Eye for an eye mentality.

 

[Silent Alarm]

So much so, it seems, that the hypocrisy of wishing for sex offences to be committed on somebody while at the same time decrying sex offences is missed. If it is facetious, it is a quite inappropriate trivialising of rape. If genuine, it's downright sick.

The people who stand at the steps of court, signs in tow, wishing for jail-bound criminals to be publicly hanged or r*ped or bashed are usually the member's of society who also like A Current Affair.

 

[EasternTiger]

I expect our religious and political leaders will publicly condemn the fiddling of our kiddies by 'celebrity' pedophiles. The catholic church will probably issue a statement any minute now.

 

[FootyJunkie]

He deserves a jail sentence just for starring in the shittest TV show ever.

"Hey Ped!" ran for 7 years!!!

The late 80s/early 90s Australian TV viewing public have much to blame too for their poor taste in television back then.

Did they say where he'll be serving his sentence?

 

[Oneiros]

The problem of suggesting that sex crimes are appropriate to visit on hardened criminals is that you are immediately and unavoidably opening the door to the idea that sexual assault is just fine as long as the victim is suitable, or "unrapeable". This leads directly into an internal dialogue in people as to where the line gets drawn as to victim suitability, which is where we start moving into this enormously destructive "grey area" nonsense. You know the type; oh, her skirt was too short so she was asking for it, she was drunk so she was asking for it, she was just a whore and whores can't be r*ped because they do it for money. This is the same mindset that the criminals themselves apply, because they tie it in to their misogyny, which tells them that any woman deserves it because "<insert bullshit claim about women>".

This isn't eye-for-an-eye thinking, this is setting up a structure of who can and can not be validly sexually assaulted. I.e., this is the very core of what people call "rape culture" in modern society.

tl;dr: you can't pretend you think that rape is not okay when you are busily suggesting that rape is okay just because you don't like the victim.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

It will be interesting to see what sort of penalty is given to the muslem Father, Husband, Cleric involved in a forced marriage to a 12 year old.
I'd suggest its worse than what Heydad did.

But hey they weren't TV personalities, or we should go lightly so we don't offend their culture.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-...er-alleged-underage-marriage-in-newca/5254962

I think the cleric got a similar penalty to what he'd have gotten if he ran a red light whilst speeding. ( $600 dollar fine ).

 

[MisterMarcus]

Hughes appealed the decision and was turned down. Now, he is taking his appeal to the High Court.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/hey-dad-p...-seeks-high-court-appeal-20160118-gm8f0n.html

Apparently he is getting a rough time in prison, being subjected to abuse and "bodily waste showers" whenever he has to walk past other prisoners, and having boiling water thrown over him. While I don't actively wish him ill, I can't exactly muster up much sympathy for him.

 

[Oneiros]

Apparently he is getting a rough time in prison, being subjected to abuse and "bodily waste showers" whenever he has to walk past other prisoners, and having boiling water thrown over him. While I don't actively wish him ill, I can't exactly muster up much sympathy for him.

What's the point of a justice system if we're okay with just handing it over to the worst among us to sort it out themselves after a judge has made the call? I hate that prisons allow this sort of stuff to go on - prisoners are not the santa's little helpers of the justice system that they can point to people they think are worse than themselves and break the law further to give them a little moral high ground where none exists.

 

[GROTTO]

Hughes appealed the decision and was turned down. Now, he is taking his appeal to the High Court.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/hey-dad-p...-seeks-high-court-appeal-20160118-gm8f0n.html

Apparently he is getting a rough time in prison, being subjected to abuse and "bodily waste showers" whenever he has to walk past other prisoners, and having boiling water thrown over him. While I don't actively wish him ill, I can't exactly muster up much sympathy for him.

I do have sympathy for his family. It goes without saying I feel for the victims and the abuse/pain and suffering they had to quietly endure. However, to have your father/husband subjected to prison treatment must be heartbreaking for them. Kind of wish that Hughes would just keep quiet and accept what he has done and treatment he is receiving and not put his family through anymore suffering and embarrassment.

 

[craffles]

I do have sympathy for his family. It goes without saying I feel for the victims and the abuse/pain and suffering they had to quietly endure. However, to have your father/husband subjected to prison treatment must be heartbreaking for them. Kind of wish that Hughes would just keep quiet and accept what he has done and treatment he is receiving and not put his family through anymore suffering and embarrassment.

As stated above, prisoners should not be allowed to be a law upon themselves and be condoning such a treatment you are virtually okaying it so long as the recipient is worthy.

What the ****s the point in trying to rehabilitate people to assimilate back into society after their incarceration when they are having shit, piss and boiling water thrown on them.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

What bugs me is that , he gets so much focus and attention.
Look at the flog below. Just about every crime he committed was worse than what Hughs has done, but no-one was looking and they kept letting him out of prison. He probably didn't get a hard time in prison because he was a belligerent prick who could look after himself.
The self imposed justice in prisons basically amounts to bullying, so that the hardcore criminals cope better.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/sean...d-in-new-court-documents-20150828-gj9zyn.html

 

[Oneiros]

What bugs me is that , he gets so much focus and attention.
Look at the flog below. Just about every crime he committed was worse than what Hughs has done, but no-one was looking and they kept letting him out of prison. He probably didn't get a hard time in prison because he was a belligerent prick who could look after himself.
The self imposed justice in prisons basically amounts to bullying, so that the hardcore criminals cope better.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/sean...d-in-new-court-documents-20150828-gj9zyn.html

That guy should have disappeared into the mental health system long before he had a chance to disappear into the criminal justice system like he will be doing now.

 

[IschenkoUBeauty]

MARTIN KELLY'S KILLER CURRY.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

That guy should have disappeared into the mental health system long before he had a chance to disappear into the criminal justice system like he will be doing now.

Shits me to pieces. So many warnings and a young girl is dead.

 

[Donners]

Hughes appealed the decision and was turned down. Now, he is taking his appeal to the High Court.

I hope he gets special leave and the High Court provides a comprehensive judgment. The foreshadowed legal point is a critical one. In Victoria, tendency evidence is an utterly unworkable shambles. A High Court decision preferring the NSW approach would be huge.

Look at the flog below. Just about every crime he committed was worse than what Hughs has done, but no-one was looking and they kept letting him out of prison. He probably didn't get a hard time in prison because he was a belligerent prick who could look after himself.

Apparently there is very little of that stuff going on at Ararat, where most Victorian sex offenders are housed. From what I've heard from people who have worked in both NSW and Vic prisons, the former is much worse in terms of inmate behaviour, particularly through ethnic gangs.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

As stated above, prisoners should not be allowed to be a law upon themselves and be condoning such a treatment you are virtually okaying it so long as the recipient is worthy.

What the ****s the point in trying to rehabilitate people to assimilate back into society after their incarceration when they are having shit, piss and boiling water thrown on them.

Could've been worse, they could have added honey to the water, it makes it boil much harder and hotter.

That was the preferred method when I was at Barwon.

 

[craffles]

Could've been worse, they could have added honey to the water, it makes it boil much harder and hotter.

That was the preferred method when I was at Barwon.

Do you mind if I ask what you went in for or how your experience was? Tell me to **** off if none of my business.

 

[Kram]

lol.

 

[craffles]

lol.

Have I just fell for it hook, line and sinker?

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Do you mind if I ask what you went in for or how your experience was? Tell me to **** off if none of my business.

I worked there.

 

[craffles]

I worked there.

Ahhh okay. I'm sure you saw a lot of interesting things in your time.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Ahhh okay. I'm sure you saw a lot of interesting things in your time.

Not as much as I thought, which was a good thing, it was boring as bat shit the majority of the time.

 

[MisterMarcus]

I hope he gets special leave and the High Court provides a comprehensive judgment. The foreshadowed legal point is a critical one. In Victoria, tendency evidence is an utterly unworkable shambles. A High Court decision preferring the NSW approach would be huge.

I'd be interested in you explaining this in more detail, tbh...

 

[Donners]

I'd be interested in you explaining this in more detail, tbh...

No worries. Not sure of your pre-existing knowledge, so I'll put it broadly.

Let's say you have seven men who independently allege that, 30-40 years ago, when they were residents at an orphanage, a certain member of the staff sexually abused them.

All male, all around the same age at the time they were offended against, all while under the care of this man at the facility.

No evidence whatsoever that they have colluded, been contaminated by each other's allegations, etc. Some weren't at the facility at the same time as others, none of them had anything to do with each other after they left. There were scattered complaints to their own friends, family, etc over the years, but they only got the strength to disclose to police in recent years (eg. through the Royal Commission, changing attitudes to sexual abuse, counselling, etc).

There are some similar features to the offending, but not anything striking - sexual offending against children tends to be pretty generic, and there are only so many sexual acts a male can commit with a male.

In NSW, a single jury would likely hear all seven of those complainants together as a starting point. Furthermore, they would likely be able to use the fact that all seven made allegations, without the real possibility of contamination or collusion, to assess the credit of each of the complainants. They may be able to use evidence of a pattern of behaviour attributed by the accused by both complainants and other witnesses to inform their decision (as in Hughes, and in the UK for Rolf Harris for that matter). Of course, they must still assess each complainant and each charge individually, must still meet the high bar of beyond reasonable doubt and can entirely reject any or all of the complainants, but the full picture is there for them to assess based on the evidence and the presentation of each complainant.

In Victoria, almost certainly there will be a separate jury for each one of those complainants. Seven separate juries, with no knowledge of any allegations against the accused but the single complainant before them. Men raised in institutions and damaged by sexual abuse tend to make for poor witnesses. Without the broader context and with the passage of time, the prospects of conviction on any of those trials are low. Essentially, trials in such circumstances are almost unable to be prosecuted.

Same provisions, but entirely different approaches from the respective Courts of Appeal (and there's a lot I could say about the Victorian Court of Appeal, but suffice to say that they handed down Getachew, an extraordinarily stupid judgment which ruined countless prosecutions and left the offender free to commit further offences until it was unanimously rejected by the High Court).

Hughes' defence intend (as far as I can tell from media reports, which admittedly are entirely unreliable) to argue that the Victorian approach should be followed in NSW.

A High Court decision, assessing both the NSW and Victorian approaches, could change the course of the law in Victoria and bring it closer to the NSW approach. Of course, it could also restrict the approach in NSW, which would be rather unfortunate, but the NSW approach is certainly the more logical and common sense one.