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Solved HH Holmes and his killing hotel

Discussion in 'Crime' started by grizzlym, Dec 8, 2012.

  1. grizzlym

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    I did some research on HH Holmes last night - I had read about him years ago - and it checks out. Just horrible.
     

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  2. MC Extra Dollop

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    It would be amazing to actually see this 'three story, block length' hotel. It's said that he employed multiple builders throughout the process, so no-one fully understood the construction of the elaborate upstairs maze but him. He truly sounds like some sort of comic book evil genius.
     
  3. grizzlym

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    Yeah, it would. How about when he moved to a different city and planned to build one there?
     
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    I just had a brief read of his wiki... extremely hard to believe that something like that could be committed for real, and not just in a novel.
     
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    I ordered a book about Holmes a few days ago, The devil in the white city. Looking forward to reading it.
     
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    So he had a maze on the top floor full of 100 windowless rooms.. I can't imagine the terror of being stuck in that.

    How did Holmes manage to find the victims once they were in there!?
     
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    Not literally a maze. If he knew the place it would be easy enough

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  8. grizzlym

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    I think I've derailed this thread enough, HH Holmes needs a thread of his own.
     
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    I think its unlikely that he's jack.
     
  10. grizzlym

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    It would seem to be a huge stretch, killing on two continents, in very different ways. Still, the dude reckons the handwriting analysis shows that it was more than a casual possibility. But I tend to agree with you.
     
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    Homes killed more so for money then out right violence and the jump between style even if they happened in the same area I'd suspect a different individual. I kinda like the theory of Joseph Barnett. However back to Holmes I find it interesting the amount of money he was paid to confess to murders/ attempted murders, given some of the names given were still alive further clouds the actual number of detahs in mystery and highlights even more that pretty much every single action in his life was money related. Also add in large sections of his life while moving across country have no records, can't help but wonder how far his trail actual extends, you simply don't one day think "hey I'm gonna build me self a kill house"
     

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    Highly recommend this if you want info on this Holmes fella

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    Also re the JTR link, apparently Holmes travelled to London the year of the ripper murders, and the handwriting analysis came back with a 97% match probability.

    Would be astonishing if he was indeed the ripper
     
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    I've heard this about travelling to London but no one ever substiuntate it.
     
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    I don't think you can ever completely substantiate it due to the lapsed time and things like alias names and the like.

    But him being on holiday would solve one of the big questions people have regarding the ripper, maybe he had to get back on the boat and was just indulging himself in some casual murder while he saw the sights? Which is why the killings just stopped all of a sudden
     
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    Crap never heard of this guy that is insane. How the hell did kill so many people without anyone knowing, in particular his own employees.
     
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    Weren't most of his victims young women from out of town with no relatives in the city ?
     
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    Im sure there is a reasonable explanation given how many facts we wouldn't know given how long ago it happened. But I think its fair to say that if more than one person goes missing from the same workplace (if I read it correctly) surely this guy would have been a suspect and for him to kill 27 people the way he did, tells me something went seriously wrong with the investigation. Given he was suspected of killing many many more its just makes me wonder that's all.
     
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    There was a World Fair or something on, and he provided the hotel for accommodation for the people who went to that, didn't he?
     
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    Correct, he also planned to build a new house when he moved city's.

    It was far more then 27 one would think, though its not too surprising it went noticed travel records during that time weren't exactly 100% accurate and it was quite common for people too totally disappear, specially during the worlds fair. To put it simply, he was an attractive man with an appealing personality, doctor and a rich business man that never had any police conviction or anything that would suggest he was capable of violence, no bodies ever to be found, it was the perfect setup.
     
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    It would also explain the difference in killing too. However, isn't one of the central assumptions about the Ripper is he knew the area well? Not withstanding other problems.
     
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    beta_condition Norm Smith Medallist

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    I may be the odd one out, but I'd love for a lego set dedicated to H H Holme's house.
     
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    Stories like this are creepier than any fiction
     
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    I was looking at a display home book the other day - was in the waiting room of somewhere or other so just idly flicking - and I noticed all the inane names they give to their homes. 'The Symphony' etc Couldn't help but think that a range of homes named after serial killers would kind of be apt for these grotesque Mac-mansions.
     
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    I just read The Devil in the White City. The 200 figure is questionable. Holmes confessed to 27 murders. This was shortly before his execution and was his third confession. A few of the people that he confessed to killing ended up still being alive. Only 9, according to the book are absolute, although nobody doubts there were more than that.

    He wrote in his confession, "I am convinced since my imprisonment I have changed woefully and gruesomely from what I was formerly in feature and figure... My head and face are gradually assuming an elongated shape. I believe fully that I am growing to resemble the devil - that similitude is almost completed.

    His description of killing 2 girls that were in his care is awful. He left them in a large trunk with an opening in the top. "Here I left them until I could return and at my leisure kill them. At 5 PM, borrowed a spade of a neighbor and at the same time called Mrs Pietzel at her hotel. I then returned to my hotel and ate my dinner, and at 7 PM. I again returned to the house where the children were imprisoned, and ended their lives by connecting the gas with the trunk, then came the opening of the trunk and the viewing of their little blackened and distorted faces then the digging of the shallow graves in the basement of the house".

    Mrs Pietzel was the mother of the 2 girls.

    It is a terrific book, that tells the story of Chicago in the lead up to and at the time of the 1893 World Fair. It tells a parallel story of Daniel H Burnham whose vision brought the World Fair to fruition and Holmes, the murderer who used the fair as a front for building his hotel and drawing vulnerable women. As an aside, the very first Ferris Wheel was unveiled at the fair. It was enormous in size and was in direct competition to the Eiffel Tower that had been unveiled at the previous World Fair in Paris. The scale of the fair was incredible.

    I read yesterday that the film rights for the book were bought by Leonardo DiCaprio and will be made by Martin Scorcese.
     
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