News High Performance revamp

[Jimmy Yamazaki]

From my post in "yes we can win the flag in 2015" thread

Hawkins was on MMM before and said we where unfit and ran out of puff at finals (which some of us already knew).

This will be the reason for the change. Get us the guy that Port have.

 

[Willo_]

From my post in "yes we can win the flag in 2015" thread



This will be the reason for the change. Get us the guy that Port have.

We won't get Burgess.... but we should look at trying to get any other Aussie involved in a premier league team we can. (Obviously as long as they aren't a shit truck)

I remember reading Burgess saying the biggest thing he learnt at Liverpool was just how much more players can train.. it's a different game but they do a lot more k's

 

[ATSAM]

So if Hawkins comments tell us what we were all thinking then why was it allowed to happen. Is 2014 a repeat of 2006 when it became obvious through the season that we were not fit. That was due to a 'light' pre-season ordered by the wonder Coach in Oct 2005 via an email to players and coaches and was part of the complacency and laziness that had set in to the club from top to bottom.
Why has it happened again, is it time for a sweeping change from top to bottom, leaving Scott, but changing others. In any organisation new people are needed to maintain the intensity and focus and football clubs are no different.

 

[dazbroncos]

One thing about late season fitness and us is the perpetual depth to the seasons we have had over the journey since 07. We have not had a Sept completely off.

Its not an excuse by any means but you have to consider the fact that Jimmy for example has played close to an extra season of footy since the end of 06… some 18 odd games.

Just a factor to consider.

But if they were out of gas at the end, something needs to change.

Go Catters

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

The Weapon is looking for a job

 

[Partridge]

Why has it happened again, is it time for a sweeping change from top to bottom, leaving Scott, but changing others. In any organisation new people are needed to maintain the intensity and focus and football clubs are no different.

I'd put it slightly differently. It's not necessarily about change, but it is about finding out why these things happened. Especially doing what 99% of this board thinks is heresy - asking tough questions. Finding who was responsible, and that goes for tactics, selection, fitness, everything. Make changes where they need to be made, and in some places they may not be needed.

 

[Whit3y]

didnt the so called heavy training load mean that we will be fightng fit come finals?

seem likes that's becoming more a myth by the day

no doubt mid season next year when/if we lose a couple of games people will be suggestion its due to a heavy training load, chris scott will have them firing come finals they will say

 

[randyzany]

The Weapon is looking for a job

Geelong was in tip top shape fitness wise during Wep's time at Geelong. I don't have a problem with him returning as long as he's not handed out responsibilities he's clearly not qualified for.

 

[Jagshemash]

Geelong was in tip top shape fitness wise during Wep's time at Geelong. I don't have a problem with him returning as long as he's not handed out responsibilities he's clearly not qualified for.

I think it would be poor publicity for him to return now, rightly or wrongly.

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

Geelong was in tip top shape fitness wise during Wep's time at Geelong. I don't have a problem with him returning as long as he's not handed out responsibilities he's clearly not qualified for.

Would love to get Darren Burgess at the club. Not going to happen I know.

 

[The Governor]

The Weapon is looking for a job

Dean Robinson deserves a second chance. He was a scapegoat in the 2012 Essendon saga. He regretted his career choice to move to the Suns in 2010 and people all make mistakes in life.

 

[mac_cat]

I was a little surprised by Selwood's comments at the Carji awards night where he mentioned he thinks the older blokes will improve next year. That worried me a little because it sounded we'll be playing the old blokes for the very sake of hoping they turn back the clock to 3-5 years ago. How often does this happen?

"we still have huge belief that even the guys in their 30's can get better"

I'm probably reading too much into those comments as he did go on to say what will make the older players better is the guys below.
I just hope we see some good transition next year, even if it costs us top 4, or possibly the finals.

I took those comments of Selwood's more as a laying down of the gauntlet to the older guys that they must improve to maintain their place in the team, with so many youngsters coming through.

He said the same thing immediately after our finals loss to North and I thought it was a clear message to some of the older guys saying don't be complacent, you were at times slack and a bit lackadaisical in the way you played, you've got to improve or else you're out.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Dean Robinson deserves a second chance. He was a scapegoat in the 2012 Essendon saga. He regretted his career choice to move to the Suns in 2010 and people all make mistakes in life.

He can mull over his future career choices while he lies back in the sun, spending some of his $1m settlement from Essendon.

 

[Willo_]

didnt the so called heavy training load mean that we will be fightng fit come finals?

seem likes that's becoming more a myth by the day

no doubt mid season next year when/if we lose a couple of games people will be suggestion its due to a heavy training load, chris scott will have them firing come finals they will say

I have no doubt there was a heavy training load which was attempting to have the players in tip top shape, problem was too many players had interupted or poor pre seasons and its not a coincidence (IMO) most broke down again late in the year, probably after a big push.

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

It was obvious to all of us that other teams were running us into the ground.

 

[Vdubs]

One thing about late season fitness and us is the perpetual depth to the seasons we have had over the journey since 07. We have not had a Sept completely off.

Its not an excuse by any means but you have to consider the fact that Jimmy for example has played close to an extra season of footy since the end of 06… some 18 odd games.

Just a factor to consider.

But if they were out of gas at the end, something needs to change.

Go Catters

Agree, look at Selwood, 8 seasons, at exactly an average of 23 games a year, every year; remarkable, and on schedule to have one of the quickest ever 200 games at that rate.

 

[Partridge]

didnt the so called heavy training load mean that we will be fightng fit come finals?

seem likes that's becoming more a myth by the day

no doubt mid season next year when/if we lose a couple of games people will be suggestion its due to a heavy training load, chris scott will have them firing come finals they will say

Nah, no myth, as you say the minute we lose a game next year that will miraculously be the reason. And again for the next loss. And the next loss. And so on.

If only we knew in advance when the training load will be, that way we can take that week off and save their bodies even more.

Until the club and fans recognise that we're not the best, we're not good enough right now, and are honest about where they need to improve (and just as importantly make tough calls to improve), nothing's going to change.

 

[geelong_boy]

So if Hawkins comments tell us what we were all thinking then why was it allowed to happen. Is 2014 a repeat of 2006 when it became obvious through the season that we were not fit. That was due to a 'light' pre-season ordered by the wonder Coach in Oct 2005 via an email to players and coaches and was part of the complacency and laziness that had set in to the club from top to bottom.
Why has it happened again, is it time for a sweeping change from top to bottom, leaving Scott, but changing others. In any organisation new people are needed to maintain the intensity and focus and football clubs are no different.

Interesting. Could you elaborate on the bit in bold?

 

[sauron256]

I was a little surprised by Selwood's comments at the Carji awards night where he mentioned he thinks the older blokes will improve next year. That worried me a little because it sounded we'll be playing the old blokes for the very sake of hoping they turn back the clock to 3-5 years ago. How often does this happen?

"we still have huge belief that even the guys in their 30's can get better"

I'm probably reading too much into those comments as he did go on to say what will make the older players better is the guys below.
I just hope we see some good transition next year, even if it costs us top 4, or possibly the finals.

He also said "reputations count for nothing any more." I reckon his message was more that, you won't get a game on reputation, we believe that everyone can improve their game, but if you can't then your reputation isn't going to save you a spot in the team.

 

[ATSAM]

Yes geelong_boy happy to elaborate. Mark Thompson sent an email to the players and Coaches in October 2005 telling them that the plan was for a light pre-season. By then Thompson was having personal problems and others in charge were on the golf course. The players were at one anothers throats in early 2006- remember the walkout of the training camp at Aireys(see Scarletts book p77 on)- and no-one was doing anything to resolve the problems hence the disaster of 2006 when we should have been playing finals if not winning a GF.

 

[Partridge]

He also said "reputations count for nothing any more." I reckon his message was more that, you won't get a game on reputation, we believe that everyone can improve their game, but if you can't then your reputation isn't going to save you a spot in the team.

Believe it when I see it and not a second before.

 

[Turkey Tom]

The Hawthorn fitness guy was interviewed on ABC news last night. Their philosophy this year was 'lean muscle'...in other words less time in the gym doing weights. That is why Hodge looked so fit. He had dropped muscle mass to become leaner.

This same guy (can't remember his name) was also at Essendon for one of their flags (it was unclear whether it was 1993 or 2000...i assume the later) and Port for their 2004 flag. Does beg the question where was he in the other years? I assume at teams that didn't have success, so it is debatable whether his fitness regime was a big reason or not...as Hawthorn would have been up there at the pointy end of the season no matter who was their fitness guy.

 

[Pollywaffle]

The Hawthorn fitness guy was interviewed on ABC news last night. Their philosophy this year was 'lean muscle'...in other words less time in the gym doing weights. That is why Hodge looked so fit. He had dropped muscle mass to become leaner.

This same guy (can't remember his name) was also at Essendon for one of their flags (it was unclear whether it was 1993 or 2000...i assume the later) and Port for their 2004 flag. Does beg the question where was he in the other years? I assume at teams that didn't have success, so it is debatable whether his fitness regime was a big reason or not...as Hawthorn would have been up there at the pointy end of the season no matter who was their fitness guy.

Yeah,The Hawks all looked more like endurance body shapes. Even Lake and Roughy looked different, Gunston looked very rangy

(and the hairdos were aerodynamically tested in wind tunnels )

 

[Willo_]

Yeah,The Hawks all looked more like endurance body shapes. Even Lake and Roughy looked different, Gunston looked very rangy

(and the hairdos were aerodynamically tested in wind tunnels )

Lewis definitely looked in better shape, and had his best season ever which is no coincidence

 

[jacross]

The Hawthorn fitness guy was interviewed on ABC news last night. Their philosophy this year was 'lean muscle'...in other words less time in the gym doing weights. That is why Hodge looked so fit. He had dropped muscle mass to become leaner.

This same guy (can't remember his name) was also at Essendon for one of their flags (it was unclear whether it was 1993 or 2000...i assume the later) and Port for their 2004 flag. Does beg the question where was he in the other years? I assume at teams that didn't have success, so it is debatable whether his fitness regime was a big reason or not...as Hawthorn would have been up there at the pointy end of the season no matter who was their fitness guy.

The appropriate fitness metrics seem to be trend based and this is probably largely due to the changing game styles. It wasn't that long ago (5 years) that strength and explosiveness was the championed specialisation. Now, at least for the Hawks, an emphasis on improving endurance and work capacity is key.

Not that you can't be big and have endurance but at the elite level of each fitness aspect, you have to sacrifice one for the other.

It's going to differ depending on the individual athlete's role as well of course.

I prefer sports that emphasise maximal strength and power so I've found myself moving away from Aussie Rules football slightly.