Analysis Derek Hine

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yes i agree. there is a sameness about focus on half-backs and midfielders, although you have to acknowledge that you need a lot of players who can run through the midfield...
 
Thatsmyname said:
I think the worry is some of our best players are 28 and over.

Pendlebury Sidebottom Beams Roughead Howe Cox Wells Dunn Varcoe Mayne Greenwood Thomas Goldsack

I can't see any of Wilson, Keane or Kelly maturing in time for this window
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That lot is expendable but we do need more young guns, especially KPPs.
 

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I think Hine has been excellent. 2018 we almost won it. In my opinion Dunn doing his knee late in the season was devastating.
He was starring and shutting down all the big forwards. Perhaps this thread would not exist had we won it.
 
gouki88 said:
He seems to have a bit of an obsession with utility, or positional flexibility. All our recent acquisitions that weren't top picks (like Stephenson) seem to have multiple positions they can play.
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How much of that is about the player they were prior to drafting v the player that develops after time in the system?

As a more general observation, players through the U18's systems seem to get more opportunity these days to explore their capacity in a variety of positions so most are multi positional or bring some degree of flexibility. Did the Doggies for instance recruit Naughton as a KPD or always envisage he'd play as a KPF?

Be an interesting discussion with Hiney to explore each of his draftees and what he envisioned them developing into when he's taken that pick.
 
Ugene41 said:
Let's see how Riccardi and Bianco/Trey goes in the next few years first before we re-do the 2019 draft already. If Riccardi goes the way of Peter Wright, I'll be the first to come back with the benefit of hindsight and roast everyone who hyped Riccardi. If he turns out to be the next Travis Cloke then of course, I'll just forget I ever doubted him just like all draft posters forget all the duds they've hyped in the past or stars they didn't want to draft. Can't be wrong with hindsight
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Not a Good Look for someone to Abuse someone who was Wrong.

Looks Terrible
 
stormskye said:
We have no KPF, we drafted two mids and a medium forward, letting a potential KPF go.

it’s a howler. Plain and simple. Our biggest need is a KPF, we let it go past us.
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Had added Kelly, Keane, Tohill and Wilson the year before, all 193/4+ KP prospects, added Cameron in the trade period before the draft. All speculative types. How does that make not taking a punt on another speculative KP type a howler? Can we at least wait till we see how these guys, the players we did add, and Riccardi all develop before we start rousing the lynch mobs or making completely outlandish definitive statements like it’s a howler.
 

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jackcass said:
Had added Kelly, Keane, Tohill and Wilson the year before, all 193/4+ KP prospects, added Cameron in the trade period before the draft. All speculative types. How does that make not taking a punt on another speculative KP type a howler? Can we at least wait till we see how these guys, the players we did add, and Riccardi all develop before we start rousing the lynch mobs or making completely outlandish definitive statements like it’s a howler.
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Well they are Long Shots still to make it yet.

Kelly is the Most Likely to become a Good KPF at AFL Level
 
jackcass said:
Had added Kelly, Keane, Tohill and Wilson the year before, all 193/4+ KP prospects, added Cameron in the trade period before the draft. All speculative types. How does that make not taking a punt on another speculative KP type a howler? Can we at least wait till we see how these guys, the players we did add, and Riccardi all develop before we start rousing the lynch mobs or making completely outlandish definitive statements like it’s a howler.
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You're right. Derek just got into the job. He needs to settle in and do some forward planning. It's not as if he bears any responsibility for us playing two ruckman forwards because we dont have any other tall that can play forward...
 
jackcass said:
Had added Kelly, Keane, Tohill and Wilson the year before, all 193/4+ KP prospects, added Cameron in the trade period before the draft. All speculative types. How does that make not taking a punt on another speculative KP type a howler? Can we at least wait till we see how these guys, the players we did add, and Riccardi all develop before we start rousing the lynch mobs or making completely outlandish definitive statements like it’s a howler.
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Surely we can find better KPF prospects than the names you mentioned?

Players with no background in the game or been away from the game for a few years.

With success like Mihocek and Noble from state league to best 22, the frustration is seeing a guy like Riccardi come 2nd in VFL goal kicking and then overlooked.

- Keane is playing back
- Wilson is not a KPP
- Cameron played 1 game for Sydney, is now 25. He’s a depth player at best.
 
jackcass said:
Had added Kelly, Keane, Tohill and Wilson the year before, all 193/4+ KP prospects, added Cameron in the trade period before the draft. All speculative types. How does that make not taking a punt on another speculative KP type a howler? Can we at least wait till we see how these guys, the players we did add, and Riccardi all develop before we start rousing the lynch mobs or making completely outlandish definitive statements like it’s a howler.
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Who are the last KPF or KPB we’ve drafted and developed in the past 10 years that have worked out.

- Darcy Moore.

Anyone else? (Mihocek is 192cm, at any other club he’s a 3rd ‘tall’)
 
TradeDraft said:
Well they are Long Shots still to make it yet.

Kelly is the Most Likely to become a Good KPF at AFL Level
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Not an any longer shot than a kid overlooked in his draft year and taken from the VFL. Wilson was a very highly touted junior before he decided to focus on basketball, Kelly a 2nd round selection in his actual draft year.
 
AndrewShawble said:
Who are the last KPF or KPB we’ve drafted and developed in the past 10 years that have worked out.

- Darcy Moore.

Anyone else? (Mihocek is 192cm, at any other club he’s a 3rd ‘tall’)
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You could likely go through every clubs recruiting and highlight just as many Late and rookie KPP types they’ve taken that haven’t worked so it’s a pretty pointless exercise. Riccardi may well end up being the pick of the lot when compared to the 4 we added the year before, or not. Time will tell.
 
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AndrewShawble said:
Surely we can find better KPF prospects than the names you mentioned?

Players with no background in the game or been away from the game for a few years.

With success like Mihocek and Noble from state league to best 22, the frustration is seeing a guy like Riccardi come 2nd in VFL goal kicking and then overlooked.

- Keane is playing back
- Wilson is not a KPP
- Cameron played 1 game for Sydney, is now 25. He’s a depth player at best.
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Tohill and Kelly are not the Big Marking Key Forwards Either
 
jackcass said:
You could likely go through every clubs recruiting and highlight just as many KPP types they’ve taken that haven’t worked so it’s a pretty pointless exercise. Riccardi may well end up being the pick of the lot when compared to the 4 we added the year before, or not. Time will tell.
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We aren’t talking about other clubs, we are talking about Collingwood trying to build a list to win a flag and KPF is a recurring nightmare.

In the last 10 years, what key position forward or back have we drafted that has come on - outside of Moore -
 
jackcass said:
Not an any longer shot than a kid overlooked in his draft year and taken from the VFL. Wilson was a very highly touted junior before he decided to focus on basketball, Kelly a 2nd round selection in his actual draft year.
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Wilson not a longer shot to make it after not playing for a few years, vs someone who actually showed to improve considerably including 6 goals in a VFL game.

Wtf
 
AndrewShawble said:
Wilson not a longer shot to make it after not playing for a few years, vs someone who actually showed to improve considerably including 6 goals in a VFL game.

Wtf
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Hine rather take a Punt then Go for a More Sure Thing for Tall Forwards
 
People keep talking about the last few years. We haven't had marking forwards since travis cloke, chris dawes was let go because he dropped marks. Leigh Brown was perfect for his job. I'm talking about 10 years ago with this bunch.

In 2013 we had quenten lynch... another pickup for nothing end of career failure

In 2014, we had jesse white... a recycled player that could never do it consistently and yes we had a drafted corey gault.... yes he was drafted

In 2015 we tried again with the same failures

IN 2016, we tried again with the same failures.

NO NEW DRAFTED TALL FORWARDS EVEN AFTER 3 YEARS OF INCONSISTENCY AND FAILURES...

I cant go on, it's too frustrating and still we have people on the payroll of derek hine posting that Derek did a great job in unearthing tall forwards....


ps. I cant put all the blame down to Derek. He is obviously under instruction NOT to draft tall forwards. It is a strategy NOT to draft tall forwards.

pps. Mihocek gets ball on wing...... kicks it to CHF.... the ball is high..... crying out for a big forward to get under it.... Cox doesn't like these... Lynch is out of his depth......so the ball is marked unopposed by Brisbane. Mihocek probably needed to kick it and run and compete for it as the only Collingwood player on the list who even looks like a marking forward..

ppps sometimes when the pressure is on in big games, players just dont have the time to give precise passes to forwards..... the team needs some other type of player....gee what could that type of player be? Maybe a tall forward?
 
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We have a 188cm, 78kg Stevo playing out of the square tonight because of our lack of targets.

Let’s keep hearing about these Irish lads, or ex basketballers.
 
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