hislop

[Infamy]

Goldy, all I heard coming out of his Essendon days was conceit and laziness, ending his tenure there. People may change but in this instance who knows. Let's hope his injuries and history have given him the humility and perspective necessary to fuel the determination necessary to win a berth in the team and win us over.

Hislop walked out on Essendon, they offered him a new contract. Not sure how that means his attitude ended his tenure there.

 

[delediofan3]

I'll believe it when I see it. The guy has played 20 odd pus games for Richmond and has never hurt any team by foot only fierce tackling. I'd love to see the coaching staff improve his disposal and then take another look at him but unfortunately there is more of a chance of Milli Vanilli singing their own songs than that happening and one of them is dead.

All these people blowing smoke up his arse please refer to pre season Hislop re rookied thread and read your own comments. Shame on you!

The coaching staffs biggest challenge by far!

i think his tackling will help spread the evenness between the team as there is too large a difference between the amount of people who get high amount of tackles and those who get 1 or none

 

[MightyTiger]

You ask this.

I can't see too much changing with Hislop and I have one question for those who watched Coburg play on Sunday. How was his disposal and decision making, Has it improved ?

Then say this.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Either you want peoples opinions, or you already have your mind made up about him and wont change it.

 

[peejay]

You ask this.



Then say this.



Either you want peoples opinions, or you already have your mind made up about him and wont change it.

Spot on.

 

[_RT_]

Hislop is not fit to tie Tucks bootlaces. Very ordinary kick , useless hand ball skills , has no trouble finding or marking the ball but play breaks down once he gets it. Similar to Kane Pettifer he just doesn't take his first option and then causes a turn over and we get scored against.

I can't see too much changing with Hislop and I have one question for those who watched Coburg play on Sunday. How was his disposal and decision making, Has it improved ?

I had him as our 3rd best player on the weekend, early on in the game won the hardball and got us going, then when Willy got their run on he was one of the few who worked hard to try and stem the flow. For a first game back after a layoff it was pretty good.

Has a fiar bit of work to do to get elevated back onto the main list but if Sunday is anything to go by I'd say he is prepared to do that work.

 

[TheProwler]

Good luck to him I hope he can put some consistent performances in at coburg which will put pressure on the likes of Nason, Edwards, White, Nahas etc.

 

[El Tigre]

If Daly can get Hislop, and you can add Miller, to be able to kick, that would really add some value and depth to our list.

 

[Spluff]

Please explain, Spluff ... the poor work ethic off-field bit?
I know people who know him well and often seen this posted about him, but my sources have me believe otherwise.
So if you have some evidence etc., spill them beans?
I for one am hoping he can get a good run at things injury-free and prove his worth!

Maybe he's changed recently, but back in 09 he was more interested in partying than he was in building up his tank. Made Dan Connors look like a nice young man.

 

[juss]

Not good enough, at his best he is okay, that's pretty much his ceiling. If he could play at his best week in week out he'd probably be a handy depth player, but he doesn't.

Don't like to sink the boot into anyone that's on the list, but this guy getting a game would be to the detriment of our development. IMO he is not premiership 22 material, nor on potential. He's not a tall, so can't offer structure, and he's not as good as the other hard nut inside mids, and is well behind King as a defensive forward. Should go at years end.

 

[Bojangles17]

Not good enough, at his best he is okay, that's pretty much his ceiling. If he could play at his best week in week out he'd probably be a handy depth player, but he doesn't.

Don't like to sink the boot into anyone that's on the list, but this guy getting a game would be to the detriment of our development. IMO he is not premiership 22 material, nor on potential. He's not a tall, so can't offer structure, and he's not as good as the other hard nut inside mids, and is well behind King as a defensive forward. Should go at years end.

careful about making such bold statements, I recall a few saying the same about kingy and nahas not so long ago, they's get a game anywhere right now and those few boofheads can't find a hole big enough to crawl into, so be careful, Tom is a good young lad who i really hope cracks it in the big time

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Good luck to him I hope he can put some consistent performances in at coburg which will put pressure on the likes of Nason, Edwards, White, Nahas etc.

...Exactly.......

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

You ask this.



Then say this.



Either you want peoples opinions, or you already have your mind made up about him and wont change it.

That was a report written by the club , I read that report and wanted an opinion by someone that was actually not a the game. RT was there and said he went ok but the question was how was his disposal and did he hit targets?

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

careful about making such bold statements, I recall a few saying the same about kingy and nahas not so long ago, they's get a game anywhere right now and those few boofheads can't find a hole big enough to crawl into, so be careful, Tom is a good young lad who i really hope cracks it in the big time

It is not a bold statement to state that Hislop won't make it and will be delisted at years end. As Richmond supporters we hope he does well but Juss is merely stating facts. Once again I implore you guys to read your comments on Hislop on the Hislop Re Rookied thread from the preseason. If any of you Hislop lovers do not have worse comments written in the thread I'll eat my shoe.

The guy can not kick and can not keep up with the pace of the game. I'd be very upset if he got a game ahead of Morton , Hicks , Dea , Hellbig or any other of our young upcoming players. I could handle it if he got 4 -5 best on grounds for Coburg in a row because you have to reward form but in past experience that is something Hislop lacks.

Can't wait to see how this one pans out. My guess is he'll work his way into the side by round 15 and work his way out of the side by round 16.

 

[Bojangles17]

It is not a bold statement to state that Hislop won't make it and will be delisted at years end. As Richmond supporters we hope he does well but Juss is merely stating facts. Once again I implore you guys to read your comments on Hislop on the Hislop Re Rookied thread from the preseason. If any of you Hislop lovers do not have worse comments written in the thread I'll eat my shoe.

The guy can not kick and can not keep up with the pace of the game. I'd be very upset if he got a game ahead of Morton , Hicks , Dea , Hellbig or any other of our young upcoming players. I could handle it if he got 4 -5 best on grounds for Coburg in a row because you have to reward form but in past experience that is something Hislop lacks.

Can't wait to see how this one pans out. My guess is he'll work his way into the side by round 15 and work his way out of the side by round 16.

rt, what you just said was all said about nahas and king, both are big contributors, i have no doubt that with a decent crack at it for 4 or 5 in the ressies that tommy will knock the door down for a game in the seniors, at 22yo im not prepared to write a bloke off, but hey i might be a little crazy

 

[juss]

rt, what you just said was all said about nahas and king, both are big contributors, i have no doubt that with a decent crack at it for 4 or 5 in the ressies that tommy will knock the door down for a game in the seniors, at 22yo im not prepared to write a bloke off, but hey i might be a little crazy

I think the difference between Nahas and King is that they showed more than Hislop has. Nahas was seen as a revelation in his first year, a really handy small forward. King got a lot of the ball and was a good contributor as a nuggety half back, would often get 20+ touches and lay some great tackles. Then as these guys played more, their weaknesses became more apparant and problematic. They went back and worked on them and have come out now less flawed players using their strengths to greater advantage to the team.

Hislop on the other hand has never as a Tiger shown anywhere near the form that Nahas and King did. With N&K you could atleast see there was light at the end of the tunnel and they might be worth persisting with. Like I said with Hislop, his best is decent, nothing more. He'l never influence a game as Nahas and King showed they could.

I have to agree with TRT, many guys thought Hislop was a waste of a rookie pick (I personally did). Obviously we all want him to succeed, but at the end of the year in order for new players to come in, someone will have to go out. I for one believe (not hope) that Hislop will be one of those players because he simply is not AFL standard, and never will be.

 

[Kyusss]

Not good enough, at his best he is okay, that's pretty much his ceiling. If he could play at his best week in week out he'd probably be a handy depth player, but he doesn't.

Don't like to sink the boot into anyone that's on the list, but this guy getting a game would be to the detriment of our development. IMO he is not premiership 22 material, nor on potential. He's not a tall, so can't offer structure, and he's not as good as the other hard nut inside mids, and is well behind King as a defensive forward. Should go at years end.

i hate hearing not good enough for a premiership 22

id love to know how many blokes thought Leigh Brown, Mccaffer, Ashley Hansen, Mark Blake were good enough to be premiership 22 players the list is endless, Doing your role for the team is what being a premiership player is all about there are a few players a year that have you scratching your head if you look at is this player good enough to be in a premiership side

 

[DapperDon]

Hislop walked out on Essendon, they offered him a new contract. Not sure how that means his attitude ended his tenure there.

After an incident at an EFC function he was never going to get a new contract, wont say anything here as I didn't see the incident with my own eyes so don't have 100% what happened. I wish the guy well was a favourite of mine when at Ess. Never shirked a contest but was lazy off field and had a very poor attidude.

Hope Dimma can get him up and about again, and hopefully now he has grown up a bit and realised just being drafted doesn't mean you've made it.

 

[tigerT]

i hate hearing not good enough for a premiership 22

id love to know how many blokes thought Leigh Brown, Mccaffer, Ashley Hansen, Mark Blake were good enough to be premiership 22 players the list is endless, Doing your role for the team is what being a premiership player is all about there are a few players a year that have you scratching your head if you look at is this player good enough to be in a premiership side

This

 

[juss]

i hate hearing not good enough for a premiership 22

id love to know how many blokes thought Leigh Brown, Mccaffer, Ashley Hansen, Mark Blake were good enough to be premiership 22 players the list is endless, Doing your role for the team is what being a premiership player is all about there are a few players a year that have you scratching your head if you look at is this player good enough to be in a premiership side

Absolutely right. But he doesn't perform a role in our team, and I can't see him being capable of playing one in the future. Like I said, he won't get a gig in the middle, and I'd prefer to have King, Nahas or even Nason as defensive forwards in the future.

Do you think he has a role out our club?

EDIT: For the record, Leigh Brown, McCaffer, Hansen and Blake are all better than Hislop, and that's saying something.

 

[Bazzar]

i hate hearing not good enough for a premiership 22

id love to know how many blokes thought Leigh Brown, Mccaffer, Ashley Hansen, Mark Blake were good enough to be premiership 22 players the list is endless, Doing your role for the team is what being a premiership player is all about there are a few players a year that have you scratching your head if you look at is this player good enough to be in a premiership side

Great post. And people should be carded for that stupid line of not being in our next premiership. As the old saying goes, a champion team and/or a team of champions...

 

[TOOs_Finest]

If he gets his body right, I'd imagine he'll get a gig in our forward line at some point this year. Has all the attributes of a current day pressure forward... big body, can get the ball, good tackler, etc.

I only know what I've read with regards to attitude and work ethic, but the fact is those things can be changed, especially once a person matures from being a 20yo "kid" to a 23/24yo adult.

His kicking has been maligned in the past, but his kicking action is fine, not like he's a Duncan Kellaway. Has actually played some pretty good quarters of footy for us, which is what most of our 2nd/3rd tier players have done in the past.

Having played quite well last week, from all reports... I'd bet he has probably already gone past MM

 

[Kyusss]

as far as him not having a role at our club im not sure if i agree or disagree largely depends on Slops, King and Nahas were two blokes widely regarded as not having places in the side and they are proving alot of people wrong , Not just Leigh Brown Mcaffer etc. every team has blokes who the outside world look at and say Wow his not gonna win you a flag, but the truth is its all rubbish have a look at every preimership side ever you will ALWAYS find blokes who have u thinking wow how did he get a medal, they play their part in the team they do a job and they deserve it, The coaching staff has deemed him worthy of a spot on the rookie list ill sit back and watch him, if he can get himself into a position where he deserves to play a role in this team ill be rapped as i love his attack on the man and ball and am pretty keen to have blokes who try as hard as him in the team week in week out! I dont think anyone can question this blokes efforts on the park, one things for sure if he stays at this club he will have to earn it good luck to him

 

[Philosopher]

Dimma probably hopes that he will be a instant replacement for Kingy after next season- A hard body in the forward line who can chase and hopefully pop up to kick a couple each week.

 

[CoggaRules]

Great post. And people should be carded for that stupid line of not being in our next premiership. As the old saying goes, a champion team and/or a team of champions...

the old saying is well used, but it is one of the most flawed sayings going around. It sounds good, but at the end of the day, you only know you have a champion team when and if it wins a championship.
You know you have a team of champions well before you win it. And i would put my money on a team of champions v "yet to be champion champion team", in a granny each and every time. And I would do it even if the champion team had already won a championship.
Because the if a team of champions gets to the granny, that is where they do the business. Its up to the coach to wake them up for the rest of the year.
A champion team will always need to be at 100% or they turn average, the team of champions can do it at 80% and beat a champion team at 100%.
BTW, what happens if the champion team comes up against another champion team, but the second champion team has Richard Champion at FB? ls the second champion team then a champion team of champion? And if so that would make it pretty invincible..

 

[tunksy]

the old saying is well used, but it is one of the most flawed sayings going around. It sounds good, but at the end of the day, you only know you have a champion team when and if it wins a championship.
You know you have a team of champions well before you win it. And i would put my money on a team of champions v "yet to be champion champion team", in a granny each and every time. And I would do it even if the champion team had already won a championship.
Because the if a team of champions gets to the granny, that is where they do the business. Its up to the coach to wake them up for the rest of the year.
A champion team will always need to be at 100% or they turn average, the team of champions can do it at 80% and beat a champion team at 100%.
BTW, what happens if the champion team comes up against another champion team, but the second champion team has Richard Champion at FB? ls the second champion team then a champion team of champion? And if so that would make it pretty invincible..

minus the team with richard champion... an extremely good analogy of st.kilda vs collingwood last year.