Hobart stadium business case

[Saucery]

Never knew a lot about Tasmania. But it’s sad to see how deeply entrenched their negative outlook is for their state. Can’t spend money as we’re in debt. No one wants to move there. No one will want to visit a shitty stadium. There’s no industry or ideas to keep new people.

The place could be awesome if there was some actual entrepreneurship and forward outlook. Actually mind boggling.

Thinking about it the best way to explain to mainlanders about why it's so hard to attract people and investment here is the same reason remote towns in the inland have the same problems, everything is much more expensive due to freight costs, in our instance shipping. You can't drive a truck across Bass Straight. That and Victoria is like a parasite on our backs when it comes to trade.

From copilot

" The cost to send a container from Tasmania to Melbourne can vary based on several factors, including the size of the container, the distance, and the method of transport. Generally, you can expect to pay around $2,000 to $4,000 AUD for a 20-foot container, and $3,000 to $6,000 AUD for a 40-foot container"

So, it gets trucked to Devonport, unloaded, loaded onto a freighter, sails to Geelong (around 12hrs), unloaded onto the dock, loaded onto a semi and driven to its destination.

Just as importantly it cost the same for things coming the other way, we call it the Tassie Tax. No amount of positivity or entrepreneurship can get around these factors.

 

[Saint]

I honestly have no idea what the plan for Bellerive is, I've never been there personally but many people say its past it's use by date. Perhaps the whole thing gets sold to developers? Does anyone know?

They still have their local teams, don't they? Clarence?

You wouldn't want to get rid of the whole oval, and the sale of parts might only be a drop in the bucket.....

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

I honestly have no idea what the plan for Bellerive is, I've never been there personally but many people say its past it's use by date. Perhaps the whole thing gets sold to developers? Does anyone know?

It would be very likely to still hold state cricket, possibly the one womens international a year (as those would financially not be worth the extra costs of the new stadium), host Clarence in the SFL (now that the state league has yet again been scrapped) and TCA, and be the admin base for the cricket tasmania, etc.

None of these draw crowds though. Barely even attendances. The stands could be torn down to save maintenance costs but there is very little room for anything to be sold off.

 

[Saucery]

I guess in light of this knowledge why quibble over a stadium roof, it's like shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic.

Tasmanian budget debt to hit $9.6 billion by 2027-28

The Tasmanian government has released its revised budget estimates, showing a significant blowout in forecast debt, but the Treasurer has ruled making significant changes to its fiscal approach.

www.abc.net.au

Current debt, 4.5b by 2028 10b, yay!

 

[shintemaster]

I guess in light of this knowledge why quibble over a stadium roof, it's like shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic.

Tasmanian budget debt to hit $9.6 billion by 2027-28

The Tasmanian government has released its revised budget estimates, showing a significant blowout in forecast debt, but the Treasurer has ruled making significant changes to its fiscal approach.

www.abc.net.au

Current debt, 4.5b by 2028 10b, yay!

It's a huge issue.

Victoria also has a reasonably large debt (although nowhere near as critical as partisans would have you believe), however ultimately population growth makes a lot of these issues surmountable. Melbourne alone predicted to add 2M people over the next 25 years, Hobart predicts <100k. Tasmania predicting around 150k in that time.

The larger mainland states can somewhat bank on spreading costs over more people. Tasmania - unless something radically changes - can't do this.

 

[The Feeder Club]

Reports from the annual presidents meeting interesting - the AFL has agreed to the presidents' request to reopen the decision about granting the Tassie license if the stadium is not built to specifications and on time.
Dillon is taking notes from the Trump notebook of negotiation - it's pistols at dawn time

The provisional licence is conditional on the construction of a 23,000-seat stadium with a roof at Macquarie Point. Presidents said they wanted a fresh vote if any of those things changed, amid fears the stadium could be delayed to 2030 or beyond.

The AFL confirmed this request would be granted.

 

[banzai]

Reports from the annual presidents meeting interesting - the AFL has agreed to the presidents' request to reopen the decision about granting the Tassie license if the stadium is not built to specifications and on time.
Dillon is taking notes from the Trump notebook of negotiation - it's pistols at dawn time

It's the right decision, they should be able to keep the provisional license for as long as it takes to get the stadium done though. If they decide in 20 years time to finally build a stadium, they automatically get a team 2 years after its done.

 

[The Feeder Club]

It's the right decision, they should be able to keep the provisional license for as long as it takes to get the stadium done though. If they decide in 20 years time to finally build a stadium, they automatically get a team 2 years after its done.

I would suggest it's unlikely that concession would be offered, when this seems like an unsophisticated attempt to heavy the Tassie government.

I guess it could all be a charade and done in cahoots and at the request of the Tas government so they can use it to show the stadium opponents the AFL is serious and we could lose our licence if we don't play ball on the stadium.

But more likely I reckon the AFL and other clubs are just sensing this is a dog's breakfast and are over it

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

The best thing that could happen for the state is for the whole thing to be pulled, and the state to stop funding Victorian teams. Maybe in another 15-20 years such a ridiculous demand won't be placed if they try again.

 

[gappa]

Thinking about it the best way to explain to mainlanders about why it's so hard to attract people and investment here is the same reason remote towns in the inland have the same problems, everything is much more expensive due to freight costs, in our instance shipping. You can't drive a truck across Bass Straight. That and Victoria is like a parasite on our backs when it comes to trade.

From copilot

" The cost to send a container from Tasmania to Melbourne can vary based on several factors, including the size of the container, the distance, and the method of transport. Generally, you can expect to pay around $2,000 to $4,000 AUD for a 20-foot container, and $3,000 to $6,000 AUD for a 40-foot container"

So, it gets trucked to Devonport, unloaded, loaded onto a freighter, sails to Geelong (around 12hrs), unloaded onto the dock, loaded onto a semi and driven to its destination.

Just as importantly it cost the same for things coming the other way, we call it the Tassie Tax. No amount of positivity or entrepreneurship can get around these factors.

I thought Straitlink docked at Webb Dock, not Geelong. Only Spirit moved?

 

[Saucery]

I thought Straitlink docked at Webb Dock, not Geelong. Only Spirit moved?

Yes I just checked, quite right though that actually makes it worse in terms of costs. It's a shame the deep-water port in Western Port never went ahead, though I don't know the reasons why.

 

[Saucery]

So, while they build a 1B$ stadium the government wants to sell of public assets to the private sector and run a truck through the public service to "cut down on spending". Seems legit.

Tasmania's cost-cutting unit branded as 'ludicrous' copycat of Elon Musk's DOGE

The Tasmanian government says it is creating an Efficiency and Productivity Unit — EPU — to cut down on spending. Opponents say it is a "ludicrous" copy of Elon Musk's DOGE and will mean "cuts, job freezes, outsourcing and privatisation for decades".

www.abc.net.au

 

[Jim Prideaux]

Yes I just checked, quite right though that actually makes it worse in terms of costs. It's a shame the deep-water port in Western Port never went ahead, though I don't know the reasons why.

How would freight departing Webb be worse than Geelong cost wise?

 

[Bipolar Bear]

Who is the 10B debt to?

 

[Atomboy]

The best thing that could happen for the state is for the whole thing to be pulled, and the state to stop funding Victorian teams. Maybe in another 15-20 years such a ridiculous demand won't be placed if they try again.

Or they just get granted a license and the money is given to a Tassie team who can play at the same grounds North and Hawthorn currently do ?.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

Or they just get granted a license and the money is given to a Tassie team who can play at the same grounds North and Hawthorn currently do ?.

That would not seem to be an option until there is an almost complete turnover of club leadership and league commissioners. And enough time after this bid fails, if it was to do so, for another crack at it in less extortionate circumstances.

 

[Peacock]

Over $1 billion for a 23k seat stadium, there's some serious money changing hands somewhere. All they need is some basic stands like AAMI Park.

 

[justlookingaround]

Who is the 10B debt to?

Investors (rich people) buy government bonds. It's highly encouraged in times of recession/economic downturn.
Australian Government Debt is traded on the ASX, I'm not sure if that includes state debt or if that's a seperate investment.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

Yes, because flying gear in is so much cheaper than shipping, the trucks can't drive over Bass strait, you know that right?

What a very weird argument, plenty of trucks go on and off the spirit of Tasmania every single journey both ways


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[Underarm]

Or they just get granted a license and the money is given to a Tassie team who can play at the same grounds North and Hawthorn currently do ?.

And then realise 10 years later that Belrieve is way too small and has completely stalled the clubs ability to attract and keep youngsters, and realise they need a swank new stadium that now costs 1.5 billion?

 

[footyscribe]

One day people will realise the stadium is an economic necessity for the club to compete, and not some sadistic punishment by the AFL designed to hurt the state.

 

[Saucery]

What a very weird argument, plenty of trucks go on and off the spirit of Tasmania every single journey both ways


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The point being all cargo has to be freighted on ships, if you read the previous conversation it relates to you would understand. They were suggesting flying acts in and I pointed out neither airport can take container planes.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

I guess in light of this knowledge why quibble over a stadium roof, it's like shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic.

Tasmanian budget debt to hit $9.6 billion by 2027-28

The Tasmanian government has released its revised budget estimates, showing a significant blowout in forecast debt, but the Treasurer has ruled making significant changes to its fiscal approach.

www.abc.net.au

Current debt, 4.5b by 2028 10b, yay!

Melbourne might have ten times the population but we’ve got significantly more than ten times your debt now than you might have in 2028….

Tassie’s a beautiful place but it needs to modernise if it wants significant growth in population and investment, only way you modernise is to spend money.


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[Father Jack]

One day people will realise the stadium is an economic necessity for the club to compete, and not some sadistic punishment by the AFL designed to hurt the state.

Sure, but why does it need a 200 million dollar roof? The whole thing just seems massively overpriced, which is why I'm struggling to see how it will be worth it.

 

[Atomboy]

And then realise 10 years later that Belrieve is way too small and has completely stalled the clubs ability to attract and keep youngsters, and realise they need a swank new stadium that now costs 1.5 billion?

Not playing under a roof seems to work just fine for every other club in the AFL