Hocking's "data"

[demondavey]

Mostly Victorian clubs shut games down so mostly Victorian supporters are going to complain.

What have Sydney been doing since 2005?

 

[40porpoise]

I have a feeling this rule may end up like the elimination qualifying in F1 a couple of years back

Please explain? not familiar with F1

 

[Back One Out]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-15/afl-rules-changes-may-reduce-scoring-not-increase-it/10247576

Can't be bothered reading? - 3 trial games is a pissy little sample size which tells us nothing.

"Three late-season dead rubbers involving relatively weak VFL teams is not a real trial. It is a pretext to a rubber stamp."

The trial wasn't to see whether the new rules were worth pursuing. It was already done deal.

They were trialling to see how it would work in practise and what adjustments they would need to make for next season when the changes are implemented.

To be honest, they could have 20 trial matches involving AFL teams and it still won't make a lick of difference.

It's not how the changes work in the first month or two which is important. It's how the game adapt to the new rules and plays out after 6 months or 1 year or 5 years... The idiots in charge of the AFL will pat themselves on the back and produce "data" after 5 rounds to show everyone how great they are, but really these are just cosmetic changes. They don't address the root cause of "congestion"

If they want to reduce congestion, they need to reduce numbers to 15-a-side, or introduce netball-style zones. Tackle the problem head on. Anything else is really just a waste of time.

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

we certainly have a big enough sample size to know that every time the AFL tries to change the rules to fix a problem they create 2 more problems.

 

[footyfan1978]

Something needs to be done. I mean scoring has plummeted in the last 15 years and this finals series has been a slog fest in terms of goal scoring.

Somethings needs to be done. Hello, interchange thingy, Hocking...
Anyway, they not got balls yet so whatever they doing next season, probably better than what we got and will be interested to see what happens exactly. We will have near 200 games of date at end of 2019. Hopefully then they get serious, rather than what I seeing so far. If they can fix up most of the umpire issues that irk me, that will be a good start.

 

[The_torpedo]

Please explain? not familiar with F1

Beginning of 2016: FIA changes qualy format from having drivers eliminated at the end of the session having them eliminated every 90 seconds. Ended up with the pole decided with 4 mins left in Q3 (the final qualy session) when normally it is decided at the very end of q3. Was scrapped after australia, returned for bahrain (the very next race) then thrown out for good after that

 

[HTT]

Somethings needs to be done. Hello, interchange thingy, Hocking...
Anyway, they not got balls yet so whatever they doing next season, probably better than what we got and will be interested to see what happens exactly. We will have near 200 games of date at end of 2019. Hopefully then they get serious, rather than what I seeing so far. If they can fix up most of the umpire issues that irk me, that will be a good start.

“We want better skills”
“Let’s make players more tired, that should do it”

I genuinely laugh.

 

[mxett]

“We want better skills”
“Let’s make players more tired, that should do it”

I genuinely laugh.

Skills arent only related to fatigue. Congestion gives players no time to execute skills correctly

 

[HTT]

Skills arent only related to fatigue. Congestion gives players no time to execute skills correctly

Last night, the average speed of the players was around 8.5km/h. That is barely above walking pace. Tell me how being a bit more tired is going to force a player to stay in one area rather than move at 8.5km/h.

 

[mxett]

Last night, the average speed of the players was around 8.5km/h. That is barely above walking pace. Tell me how being a bit more tired is going to force a player to stay in one area rather than move at 8.5km/h.

do you concede most games open up later in the game because players are more fatigued and havent got the energy to get to every contest?

 

[Thegibbsgamble]

What have Sydney been doing since 2005?

Making finals

What about Melbourne?

 

[Thegibbsgamble]

we certainly have a big enough sample size to know that every time the AFL tries to change the rules to fix a problem they create 2 more problems.

 

[HTT]

do you concede most games open up later in the game because players are more fatigued and havent got the energy to get to every contest?

I’ll concede that if you’ll concede that clubs will start to recruit elite runners over elite footballers

 

[mxett]

I’ll concede that if you’ll concede that clubs will start to recruit elite runners over elite footballers

that's a possibility yes. Although they'd be silly to while the AFL are in a rule changing mood. Imagine recruiting athletes for 2 years then the AFL do something like introduce 666 at every stoppage.

 

[Turnover]

Why couldn't they trial it for a season in all the state leagues and see if it makes any difference? That way you'd get over 500 games of data. Gives coaches time to adapt to the rules and see if they find any loopholes. Why does everything need to be rushed in so quickly?

All good to ruin state league seasons to trial some stupid rules??

 

[Pessimistic]

Something needs to be done. I mean scoring has plummeted in the last 15 years and this finals series has been a slog fest in terms of goal scoring.

Yet one of the highest attended ever? We should have NRLs problems just over 20k to a final with two Sydney teams

 

[Pessimistic]

Go and watch footy from 20 years ago. Midfielder kicks it to their full-forward, who takes a minute to line up for a set shot, kicks the goal. Opposition midfield kicks it to their full-forward, who takes a minute to line up for a set shot, kicks the goal. There's a reason games were so high scoring, and why full forwards used to regularly kick 80+ goals. It's boring as shit.

Or team gets 3goals in front then ‘hits the boundary line’

 

[Pessimistic]

do you concede most games open up later in the game because players are more fatigued and havent got the energy to get to every contest?

Then take players off the field 16. 15 14 a side and open up the game for the whole quarter?

Anyway the inconvenient data is that interchanges have been cappped for two years now, the years people have complained about the footy. The peak in interchanges was 2010 is, which is now seen as good footy.

Even Hocking can work that one out

 

[demondavey]

Making finals

What about Melbourne?

WTF? What kind of ****ing response is that? I was responding to your comment about playing ugly and mentioned that Sydney played that style. You then reverted to insulting Melbourne?

Your comment is everything wrong with the average poster on Big Footy, you can’t structure a basic conversation together so have to peddle the ‘your club is shit’ line.

Grow up.

 

[Hawk_francais]

The Brayshaw free against should definitely be worthy of a response from the AFL. Can't have that shit going by without a word to the ump.

I agree it wasn't a free. It was a bs decision, but actually an understandable one. I hope they change the rule in the off-season, but as of right now there's not much the umps can do. Incorrect decisions are made all the time, like Breust's unpaid mark which likely also costs a team a goal. But I think we just have to accept that umps will miss stuff, or misjudge a few centimetres here and there.

Not all umpiring mistakes need to be explained. The AFL should only comment when umpires aren't implementing the rules. Unfortunately, they are.

 

[Sttew]

But all of this is irrelevant to Dangerwood shitting the bed last weekend and the Geelong skipper's undisciplined, petulant, selfish display.
.

WTF has this got to do anything? You simply can’t help yourself, can you?

 

[Thegibbsgamble]

WTF? What kind of ******* response is that? I was responding to your comment about playing ugly and mentioned that Sydney played that style. You then reverted to insulting Melbourne?

Your comment is everything wrong with the average poster on Big Footy, you can’t structure a basic conversation together so have to peddle the ‘your club is shit’ line.

Grow up.

Wake up on the wrong side of bed?

You asked me what Sydney have been doing since 2005. I told you the truth. Making finals

I asked you about your club that was done for tanking to get draft picks and you were triggered

If your style keeps making finals year in year out, all good. But if your style only gets in to finals once every twelve years and the league do something about that.

 

[RUNVS]

Somethings needs to be done. Hello, interchange thingy, Hocking...
Anyway, they not got balls yet so whatever they doing next season, probably better than what we got and will be interested to see what happens exactly. We will have near 200 games of date at end of 2019. Hopefully then they get serious, rather than what I seeing so far. If they can fix up most of the umpire issues that irk me, that will be a good start.

There is no indication that lowering the interchange will increase scoring. In fact the interchange was lowered a few years ago and scoring has gone down since then.

 

[Sedat!]

Below the knees, hands in the back and especially prior opp are a complete mess that the head of football should have made a priority to fix. Instead he has gone on a vanity project setting up various committees with his best mates instead of actually doing his job.

Last night was a shambles with regard to prior opp and not rewarding perfecrly executed tackles. Players are so good at exploiting prior opp and it is virtuslly impossible to umpire the rule. Get rid of it.

 

[demondavey]

Wake up on the wrong side of bed?

You asked me what Sydney have been doing since 2005. I told you the truth. Making finals

I asked you about your club that was done for tanking to get draft picks and you were triggered

If your style keeps making finals year in year out, all good. But if your style only gets in to finals once every twelve years and the league do something about that.

Bullshit. You just took the opportunity to have a crack for the sake of it. It’s actually got nothing to do with Melbourne. I responded that playing ugly had got Sydney to the place they’re at, you could’ve responded directly to that as opposed to bringing in Melbourne just because that’s the club I support.