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They still count as home matches for the Hawks
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My point is I don't think Hawthorn's "home ground" advantage in Tasmania is comparable to their home ground advantage at the MCG.
Ditto NM compared to Etihad.
If we were to play a "home" game at an oval that is completely different to Subiaco, then I strongly suggest that we would not dominate middling sides to the extent that we do at Subiaco.
Just like Hawthorn and NM didn't dominate St Kilda and Melbourne respectively.
Surely that's not that hard to understand
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What's this based on ?
Probably not stats
As I'm pretty sure the Hawks' winning % at Aurora is better than at the MCG
And that if anything , Aurora offers them more of a home ground advantage (especially against fellow Victorian teams) than the MCG
North have changed their *home away from home * a few times so it may be a little too early to tell, but I suspect their Tassie record stacks up, too .
Ultimately, I don't subscribe to the Sheahan theory that away home games sold *by choice* for $ are any harder than home ones.
(It's different when home games are forced to be played away though eg our/other non-Vic sides' away "home" finals at the G)
Yeah good points. We don't play any home games away from Subi so the whole argument is a bit moot.
Hopefully we beat Geelong this weekend and make it even mooter
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I agree with you as big losses can effect a players confidence. With a close game you could say we were good enough just luck didn't go our way?
I think the reason they say that is due to our poor showing in the GF last year, and that we need to be able to beat the top sides away if we wish to win a GF considering its played at the MCG.
definitly. I think it could even carry into interstate games against average opponents as well.
Too soon for that - you never know Freo may improve in the second half of the seasonThe good news is that with Freo being abysmal this year , we can now pencil in the other derby as a win (usually they're split , and at times , we have gone 0-2, so I assumed we would lose one at the start of the year ).
Pies at the MCG is another game I assumed we would lose when I went through our draw (given our embarrassing record against them over there ) , but am now sure we can win
once Sandilands comes back. Not sure how long Johnson and the precious one will be out for?
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If this oval is anywhere in Western Australia then the Eagles would win (and dominate) as they would at Subiaco. Travelling is a major issue for all Victorian teams including Hawthorn - Subiaco ground dimension has nothing to do with it. All 4 teams travelled roughly the same distance so that could be one of the reasons why NM vs Melb and Haw vs St Kilda games were close. You may be correct in saying Hawthorn's home ground advantage in Tasmania is less than their home ground advantage at the MCG. However, they still hold a significant advantage over other teams (especially interstate teams like us) in Tasmania otherwise they wouldn't want to play there.
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I have a feeling that Freo have now embraced rebuilding, unfortunately. I'd be surprised if Fyfe returns this year . I kind of selfishly hope Freo are competitive (not against us though, obvious ) - because if they continue to be beaten by the likes of lowly Carlton at home, it will undermine our attempts to keep it a fortresss . I'm sure both teams benefited from each other's strong home form last yearToo soon for that - you never know Freo may improve in the second half of the season
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I hope they don't win a game all year, I haven't forgotten how cocky their supporters were 3 years ago. Kept telling them this was going to happen and enjoy the success they were having because the wheels were going to fall off quickly i couldn't be happier to be honest.. But i know what your saying
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I'm glad someone in the media has picked this up, hopefully it makes it east.
I'm glad someone in the media has picked this up, hopefully it makes it east.
Again, except for Hawthorn v GWS and our two matches, those were all competitive games. Geelong almost snatched the game in the final quarter. I really hope Simpson isn't coddling the players into thinking their performances are on par with the rest of the comp
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We beat Collingwood at Etihad, not the MCG.
I don't think he is and I doubt that those performances would be acceptable internally. But other teams, particularly victorian sides, don't get slammed as much as we do for our interstate record (and I'm sure Simmo would be annoyed at copping that at every press conference). The excuse they give for that is "but the GF is played on the MCG." It doesn't change the fact that it's hard to win away against good sides, and those top vic sides don't do it all that often either. Only one way to silence the knockers though, beat a top four team away.
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Since 2012 the only teams that have a positive winning record against top 8 sides interstate are Sydney (10-8) and Hawthorn (7-5). Guess which teams have won the flags during that period.
Yeah, which is the level we need to be at if we want to win one.
It's a world wide phenomenon
Home teams play better at home ...there has been plenty of research on it.
That said I'm glad our new oval will be wider and closer to MCG specs ....
We do get lost on the MCG ......we don't switch the ball very well because at Subiaco we don't switch the ball much and our skills aren't good enough to switch ...we lack real elite kickers to switch the ball on the MCG is my theory of the current team.
Home teams play better at home ...there has been plenty of research on it.
That said I'm glad our new oval will be wider and closer to MCG specs ....
We do get lost on the MCG ......we don't switch the ball very well because at Subiaco we don't switch the ball much and our skills aren't good enough to switch ...we lack real elite kickers to switch the ball on the MCG is my theory of the current team.
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Im not an avid follower of WAFL but is this the same case in WAFL?
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The 2 wins to top 8 teams interstate occurred in 2012 and 2015 which happens to be the same years we made the top 8. All the other years where we didn't win against a top 8 side interstate we didn't make the finals. Seems obvious I guess so we better start winning against the better teams away or we will find ourselves either missing out or close to the bottom 8.
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Interestingly , we also beat a top 8 side away in 2011 (our other recent finals year )too (Carlton, albeit at Etihad ).
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This is my take on it..............the "Eagles are home track bullies" is a bit far fetched. In theory it's probably right but what if the Eagles lost their games at home? The media would then make something up and run the Eagles down. I guess the fact is that here and now - the Eagles for some reason struggle away from home. Its probably mental........playing away from the comforts of home where opposition supporters are yelling and screaming their heads off to see the away team not do well........that's a big hurdle to overcome.
The thing is......it's' not just the eagles who don't do well away from home, other sides don't do well when travelling interstate. See below my team's record interstate since 2013:
Played 20: won 13, lost 7 (65.00%)
Richmond's interstate wins last year included beating Port Adelaide (at Adelaide Oval), Fremantle (Domain Stadium) and Sydney (SCG). Unfortunately so far in 2016 - Richmond are yet to win interstate.........they have only travelled once so far and lost to West Coast in Perth in round 4 on a Friday night.
I'm sure the Eagles will win interstate, it's just a matter of when but I also think that there are other teams in the AFL who also struggle away from home but the media pick on West Coast more often then not.
The thing I don't understand is that the Dockers recent record interstate is not flash either but the media are not saying anything about their record interstate. Its interesting how the media picks and chooses when to lay in to a team and when not to especially if the team has roughly the same bad record that another team does ie: Dockers have a bad recent record interstate just like West Coast but the media don't mention anything about the Dockers.
Cheers.
This is my take on it..............the "Eagles are home track bullies" is a bit far fetched. In theory it's probably right but what if the Eagles lost their games at home? The media would then make something up and run the Eagles down. I guess the fact is that here and now - the Eagles for some reason struggle away from home. Its probably mental........playing away from the comforts of home where opposition supporters are yelling and screaming their heads off to see the away team not do well........that's a big hurdle to overcome.
The thing is......it's' not just the eagles who don't do well away from home, other sides don't do well when travelling interstate. See below my team's record interstate since 2013:
Played 20: won 13, lost 7 (65.00%)
Richmond's interstate wins last year included beating Port Adelaide (at Adelaide Oval), Fremantle (Domain Stadium) and Sydney (SCG). Unfortunately so far in 2016 - Richmond are yet to win interstate.........they have only travelled once so far and lost to West Coast in Perth in round 4 on a Friday night.
I'm sure the Eagles will win interstate, it's just a matter of when but I also think that there are other teams in the AFL who also struggle away from home but the media pick on West Coast more often then not.
The thing I don't understand is that the Dockers recent record interstate is not flash either but the media are not saying anything about their record interstate. Its interesting how the media picks and chooses when to lay in to a team and when not to especially if the team has roughly the same bad record that another team does ie: Dockers have a bad recent record interstate just like West Coast but the media don't mention anything about the Dockers.
Cheers.
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