Hornethorne and the wooden spoon dilemma

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Mr Meeseeks

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I wonder how many of the posters in here eyeing off a spoonful of Horne, were also vocal when King made his prediction a few months back..

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theiaofseed

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I wonder how many of the posters in here eyeing off a spoonful of Horne, were also vocal when King made his prediction a few months back..

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He only picked Hawthorn to avoid picking North, he hardly gets credit for Hawthorn missing Sicily, Gunston, Impey, Day for the majority of the season.
 

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The hands of stone

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I think North can win 2 games , Crows and Tigers who are now shot to ribbons.
Good form line and full list.

Also think we are a sneaky chance last round against the Tigers if we get a player or two back.
Genuine 50/50 vs Pies

Still a bit to play out
 

chopflop

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Can't see us getting the spoon and don't want the spoon. Pick 5 is a huge chance to be better than pick 1. History tells us that.

Would be just as happy with callaghan/goater/Erasmus as I would be with Horne. The key is a dynamic mid. Just hope the one we gets turns out the best
 

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I just can't believe we are staring down the barrel of a wooden spoon.
How did this club get to this point? Absolute disaster.

Having said that I think we're the kind of club that can get a pick 1 and actually do something great with it, regardless of who is picked, unlike Melbourne/Carlton/GWS type clubs.
 

The hands of stone

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I just can't believe we are staring down the barrel of a wooden spoon.
How did this club get to this point? Absolute disaster.

Having said that I think we're the kind of club that can get a pick 1 and actually do something great with it, regardless of who is picked, unlike Melbourne/Carlton/GWS type clubs.
I back us to rebound strongly with a bit of patience in the next 12-18 months.
In a far different position to Melbourne and Carlton.

Plus we got a jet (Day) at pick 12 a few drafts back and DGB will be a player.
I think bar the midfield our building blocks are stronger.
 

Rob R

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On exposed form 50-50 but the fact the pies are our bunnies makes it 60-40 for me

Really depends what version of the Hawks shows up on the day
I think we are more like 80-20 to win. Grundy is playing like he doesnt care and we have Reeves coming along well, their midfield is basically just Adams and Sidebottom, and their forward line makes ours look great.

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Mr Meeseeks

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didn’t he make that after a ‘weak’ hawthorn team thrashed north in pre season? Or was it during?
He only picked Hawthorn to avoid picking North
Does that matter?

He is was slammed all over the place by shirty Hawks fans, not just on this board. He was contrite (as contrite as King is capable of being) when it was brought the call on SEN too.

Turns out he might be right..
 

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Is every component of our form line purely coincidental??

I ask this because since Collingwood won in Round 8, we have occupied 17th every week since.

Each time we have had the opportunity to move up the ladder with a win, we have failed to do so (regardless of opposition strength).

Each time a win would not enable us to move up the ladder, we have won within a week (again, regardless of opposition).

To elucidate, Collingwood (16th) won in Round 12, allowing Hawthorn to win without moving up the ladder. The following week, we beat a top 6 Sydney in a much improved performance.

Collingwood again won in Round 13 and after a narrow loss to Essendon, Hawthorn knocked off GWS in Round 15.

After a couple of losses, Collingwood beat Richmond in Round 17. Hawthorn (also after a couple of corresponding losses) face top placed Melbourne in the next game they can win without going up the ladder. Hawthorn get a draw with the ladder leaders in a much improved performance.

On the weekend, a win would see Hawthorn jump a couple of places on the ladder and despite a better fielded side, Hawthorn's performance drops away to lose to the 16th placed side.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying we are secretly good or can simply choose when to win (or even that the above means anything at all - which I personally doubt) but the above is a little interesting. Is it purely coincidental? or does the intensity and effort lift a little when a win will not compromise our draft position?
 

danielG

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I just can't believe we are staring down the barrel of a wooden spoon.
How did this club get to this point? Absolute disaster.

Having said that I think we're the kind of club that can get a pick 1 and actually do something great with it, regardless of who is picked, unlike Melbourne/Carlton/GWS type clubs.
Hopefully the coincidence continues to play out as it has been !
 

Dewnior

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Is every component of our form line purely coincidental??

I ask this because since Collingwood won in Round 8, we have occupied 17th every week since.

Each time we have had the opportunity to move up the ladder with a win, we have failed to do so (regardless of opposition strength).

Each time a win would not enable us to move up the ladder, we have won within a week (again, regardless of opposition).

To elucidate, Collingwood (16th) won in Round 12, allowing Hawthorn to win without moving up the ladder. The following week, we beat a top 6 Sydney in a much improved performance.

Collingwood again won in Round 13 and after a narrow loss to Essendon, Hawthorn knocked off GWS in Round 15.

After a couple of losses, Collingwood beat Richmond in Round 17. Hawthorn (also after a couple of corresponding losses) face top placed Melbourne in the next game they can win without going up the ladder. Hawthorn get a draw with the ladder leaders in a much improved performance.

On the weekend, a win would see Hawthorn jump a couple of places on the ladder and despite a better fielded side, Hawthorn's performance drops away to lose to the 16th placed side.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying we are secretly good or can simply choose when to win (or even that the above means anything at all - which I personally doubt) but the above is a little interesting. Is it purely coincidental? or does the intensity and effort lift a little when a win will not compromise our draft position?
No coincidence. It's more the way the fixture has played out since R12 as Clarko and his assistants seem to be more able to get the team up to a really good intensity against the better teams and not against the team's around us on the ladder.
 
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