Society/Culture Horse racing is cruel

[RobbieK]

no argument from me there are too many horses.

The excessive breeding is a necessary part of the industry. If you have a problem with it then you should have a problem with the industry.

 

[Taylor]

Sigh.

So, because it would be difficult to suitably rehome the excessive number of horses that have been bred for the race industry if we shut the race industry down, we should just let the industry continue and keep on excessively breeding them?

As far as asinine arguments go, this is right up there with them.

It's possible that animal husbandry ending leads to the extinction of all the species involved.

The cold reality that being useful to humans is a strong correlation to longevity.

 

[RobbieK]

It's possible that animal husbandry ending leads to the extinction of all the species involved.

The cold reality that being useful to humans is a strong correlation to longevity.

Horses aren't going to go extinct if the racing industry is shut down.

 

[Taylor]

Horses aren't going to go extinct if the racing industry is shut down.

Percentage of specialist vets who have either their training or substantial business from horses involved in the racing industry? I'd expect quite a bit.

You remove the incentive for them the remainder get more expensive, then people who own a horse find the cost of that going up and up and then they start to dwindle.

It would be like if your internal combustion engine needed a special mechanic but that industry is changing, you're going to find it harder to find a maintenance team than you will the vehicle at first, then both.

 

[RobbieK]

Percentage of specialist vets who have either their training or substantial business from horses involved in the racing industry? I'd expect quite a bit.

You remove the incentive for them the remainder get more expensive, then people who own a horse find the cost of that going up and up and then they start to dwindle.

It would be like if your internal combustion engine needed a special mechanic but that industry is changing, you're going to find it harder to find a maintenance team than you will the vehicle at first, then both.

This is a s**t take even by your standards.

Hundreds of species go extinct every year. Horses are not going to be one of them any time soon, even if the racing industry is shut down.

The racing industry's viciously cyclical system of over-breeding and wastage is not a conservation project.

 

[Taylor]

This is a sh*t take even by your standards.

Hundreds of species go extinct every year. Horses are not going to be one of them any time soon, even if the racing industry is shut down.

The racing industry's viciously cyclical system of over-breeding and wastage is not a conservation project.

If we exclude feral or introduced examples, what place do you see for horses given that they don't serve a purpose in transport or racing anymore?

 

[RobbieK]

If we exclude feral or introduced examples, what place do you see for horses given that they don't serve a purpose in transport or racing anymore?

The same place that the millions of other species of non-domesticated animal have.

 

[Taylor]

The same place that the millions of other species of non-domesticated animal have.

For that size animal you're talking about naturally and functionally extinct, only in zoos.

 

[RobbieK]

For that size animal you're talking about naturally and functionally extinct, only in zoos.

Possibly.

Do you think that is a justification for continuing to race them?

 

[Taylor]

Possibly.

Do you think that is a justification for continuing to race them?

I think it's a serious consideration for those seeking to end it, since it's not the only thing you'd be ending and that's the argument being made - you want to change the path so you make the argument to change, the counter argument is that you'll end their species.

 

[RobbieK]

I think it's a serious consideration for those seeking to end it, since it's not the only thing you'd be ending and that's the argument being made - you want to change the path so you make the argument to change, the counter argument is that you'll end their species.

The idea that we need to save a species from extinction so that we can put it through systematic cruelty for our entertainment is ****ed up.

 

[Taylor]

The idea that we need to save a species from extinction so that we can put it through systematic cruelty for our entertainment is f’ed up.

I think it's an inconvenient reality attempting to be avoided. You're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

 

[2006_Eagles]

Horses like to run and riding horses isn't cruel

The only cruel thing is the whipping

 

[RobbieK]

Horses like to run and riding horses isn't cruel

The only cruel thing is the whipping

Educate yourself.

Five reasons why horse racing is cruel

The recent ABC footage of Australian horses being tormented and slaughtered on an industrial scale is sickening

www.worldanimalprotection.org.nz

 

[yodellinhank]

The same place that the millions of other species of non-domesticated animal have.

This is an abuse.

 

[RobbieK]

This is an abuse.

How?

 

[Pistol Night]

Horses like to run and riding horses isn't cruel

The only cruel thing is the whipping

Padded whips these days wouldn't bruise a grape

 

[RobbieK]

Padded whips these days wouldn't bruise a grape

How about the shotgun to the head when they break a leg?

 

[2006_Eagles]

Padded whips these days wouldn't bruise a grape

Even so, when whipped, the horses are running out of fear are they not?

 

[yodellinhank]

How?

Animals taken from their parents, genital mutilation, left at home to go crazy with anxiety the list goes on

 

[Pistol Night]

How about the shotgun to the head when they break a leg?

What the * has that got to do with whips. Nice narrative change. Go hug a tree

 

[RobbieK]

Animals taken from their parents, genital mutilation, left at home to go crazy with anxiety the list goes on

Can you explain how any of that has anything to do with what I said?

 

[yodellinhank]

Can you explain how any of that has anything to do with what I said?

My bad.

 

[RobbieK]

What the fu** has that got to do with whips. Nice narrative change. Go hug a tree

It's got to do with the cruelty houses have in the race industry, which is the topic of this thread.

 

[iBeng]

what would happen to the horses if they weren’t racing?

Not sure if you aware but they dont just grab horses off the wild and race them. They are bred specifically for profit, the horses exist only to race and, if they survive that and are worth breeding they are used for that until they are no longer profitable. And then its either dog meat or someone saves it.