I am not saying that the ACC and ASADA did not share information but that is not the same as the ACC conducting an investigation into Essendon players. It is a closed hearing so we do not know who has said what and we do not even know who has given evidence and what that evidence is but I have not heard any reports of ACC investigators fronting the Tribunal.
You have been watching too many legal dramas. The AFL Tribunal has basically been the lawyers laying out the facts of their arguments and a couple of medical experts called. The Wookie updates the basic info the AFL release every day in the opening post of this thread.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threa...ssed-resumes-tues-27-1-details-in-op.1084109/
No investigators have to front the tribunal if the evidence is just being laid out. There is no cross examination. When you build a house where do you stick the first brick, on the foundation or 3 feet in the air?? The ACC investigation produced the foundation information for the Essendon investigation. If you dont understand that and the importance of all the work done during Project Aperio then you don’t understand diddly squat. And I put money on Essendon being the page 17 club in that report.
If Project Aperio was so irrelevant how many clubs have employed Dank and Charters since February 2013? How many have used Alavi as their compounding chemist?
The interesting thing about ASADA and legal rights is they appear to ignore the legal rights of others in their investigations yet seek to use the Courts when it suits them. ASADA were given clear advice that they would fail in their Victorian Supreme Court action to force Charter and Alvi to appear at an AFL Tribunal yet they went ahead and wasted taxpayer money. To some that Court action might indicate tenacity and dedication to a cause but to me it indicates desperation.
So what, Lawyers give advice all the time and courts show they are wrong in that advice.
Once again lots of people have lots of opinions in cluding some Nevill at The Roar. Read the title of many of the threads in the Hot Topics - The AFL, ASADA, and Drugs board and they start off with so many journo's and others who have made a call one way or the other on this and so far got it wrong.
The burning question is which way the AFL Tribunal, which is not a Court of Law, will go. Will they throw the case out ? Will they bow to external pressure and impose the full 2 year sanction or will they take the NRL option and backdate the ASADA recommended 2 year ban backdated to the time the offence occurred ? Maybe none of these but a concocted deal that allows the witch hunters at ASADA to feel vindicated and the AFL to save face ? Unless there is some compelling new evidence I am hoping it is the first option but as I admit to self interest I can accept the backdate option.
Why the need to use surreptitious language around ASADA? Their job is to catch cheats. - no different to the cops. By the sounds of things you probably would say Dank is a clean skin.
They were poorly funded and found themselves having to do a complex investigation that they didnt have the people and resources and experience, to do in the most efficient and effective way possible. Ben McDevitt has said so
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ns-but-hits-out-at-asada-20140930-10o9p1.html
"The reality is I don't think ASADA was ready for an investigation of this magnitude, and it's not just ASADA. I don't think any national anti-doping organisation in the world would have been ready for something of this magnitude, complexity, this enormity which was immediately made public and needed to be conducted under the public eye and in terms of resources and capabilities there significant delays in relation to
, for example interviews where we had players ready for interview but for a variety of reasons we weren't ready to actually conduct those interviews until some months later, a reason right there that players could seek backdating of penalties just for that and it's fair and reasonable and I've got to do this without fear or favour or malice or ill-will.".....
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...ns-but-hits-out-at-asada-20140930-10o9p1.html
Ben had only been CEO since mid 2014, but he and his predecessor Aurora should have got in contact with the Bulldozer Jeff Novitzky for some help.
and USADA for some help. The BALCO - and Marion Jones/Trevor Graham group, baseballers and Armstrong and the cyclists were all long complex cases in the USA and Novitzky investigated all of them. Novitzky - has been called the Elliot Ness of PED invetigations. He started with the IRS going thru Victor Conte's bins looking for tax fraud around 2002, found documents about PEDs, chased that side of the things as well as tax dodging, the web of professional sports stars in the USA involved in tax dodging and PED's grew and grew, ended up transferring to the Food and Drug Administration as a special investigator and keeps on digging and finding stuff. He still works at the FDA.
And then there was the Major League Baseball stuff with Alex Rodriguez and the Miami clinic. I have posted this before at link below but this shows what can be done when you don't **** around at the crematorium and actually want to get to the truth. This link includes the full CBS 60 minute story.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threa...fence-banned-for.1078688/page-4#post-35416479
The CBS 60 minutes story on Rodriguez at the start of 2014. It has Dank/Victor Conte type character - Anthony Bosch - with A-Rod being the Armstrong/Hird type arrogance and denial and the administrator from MLB who decided to do a proper investigation
"At the Manhattan headquarters of Major League Baseball, Rob Manfred had his sights on Bosch. A lawyer by training, Manfred runs Major League Baseball as the chief operating officer. Commissioner Selig told him to do what he had to do to get to the bottom of the scandal.
Manfred hired the former director of the United States Secret Service and a number of retired FBI agents--more than 30 investigators in all. In the underworld of Miami, word got around. And a call came to Major League Baseball. Turned out there were more documents from Bosch's Biogenesis clinic."
The transcript is at
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-case-of-alex-rodriguez/