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The time lines, as pointed out be forzaport, plus a bit of other info are all in the link below. One interesting point is that it was the AFL, not ASADA, who issued the Show Cause Notice. ASADA appear to have had minimal involvement. The AFL will probably use this as a PR exercise to show how well their drug testing procedures work. Not surprising that the Dockers have distanced themselves from the incident. Rosich is pushing the, 'it was all Ryan's own work' line for all it is worth.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...tive-to-banned-substance-20150316-1m08nb.html

Nothing too sinister in the procedure the AFL followed.

If Crowley gets done for two years for this Angus and Paddy will get life, if found guilty of course.

As for this Titus guy who would want to receive e mails from him? The guy reads like an ego tripper to me.
 
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Is there any word on exactly what the substance is? Just a thought if it's just a brain fade on Ryan's part rather than something sinister ie. a deliberate attempt to beat the system, then it wouldn't hurt Ryan to put it out there and maybe minimise the damage to his reputation. That is reputation as in that the Dockers supporters like him and let them know what's going on.
 
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Where are people drawing the line of "If Crowley gets 2 years, Essendon players will get life" the 2 cases are completely different.One case has a positive test to a banned substance the other is relying on circumstantial evidence.Their nowhere near close to each other.Crowley's case is more aligned to Saad's case.
 

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Surely if we have learnt anything from the Saad case, Crowley is likely to get 18mths, meaning he will miss this season and possibly a few weeks of next year.
All I can say is I hope he isn't there round 1!
 

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Where are people drawing the line of "If Crowley gets 2 years, Essendon players will get life" the 2 cases are completely different.One case has a positive test to a banned substance the other is relying on circumstantial evidence.Their nowhere near close to each other.Crowley's case is more aligned to Saad's case.
If your found guilty it shouldn't matter what evidence was used. It was obviously enough for them to reach a guilty verdict. They can't say "We have found you guilty but because the evidence wasn't that strong here's a lighter sentence."
 
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There is nothing wrong taken with the time taken between collecting Crowley’s sample and finding out that his B sample was also positive and issuing the SCN. These accredited drug testing Labs test tens of thousands and some Labs test hundreds of thousands of samples every year. There are standard international protocols developed and implemented by WADA for the Labs to receive WADA accreditation. Separation of duties and being seen to be independent is just as important as being independent. The samples are scheduled and you cant jump the queue. The scientist doing the test never knows if he/she is testing an A or B sample. The only thing they have is the urine or blood sample and a code for that sample usually a 10-12 digit number, which later on, is matched up to the report the scientist produces by someone at the National Doping Agency.

There was a 4 week time gap between collecting the sample and it being tested. There was a one week gap between starting the test and producing the result and advising Crowley. Then there is another 4 week gap before testing the B sample and then another week before the B sample result is produced and Crowley told of its result.

A 2 to 3 month gap is pretty standard from my observation of athletics between the sample being provided by an athlete and the B sample confirmation result being obtained. An athlete at an IAAF Diamond League meet or IAAF Grand Prix or an athlete at a domestic meet run by his/her national federation, gives a sample, it goes off to an accredited Lab and the tests get scheduled to be tested at the Lab as they would have thousands of tests from dozens of sports to be analysed.

The Olympics and IAAF World Championships (and many other world championships that go for a week) book a Lab years in advance to be free for the days those events are held, so that the Lab can process all their samples in a short period and produce testing results of the A samples and B samples usually by the time the event has finished or just after it. The Olympics and IAAF and other sporting federations want to catch the cheats and name and shame them and strip them of any medals whilst the event is still on. That is why B samples are tested usually within 24 hours of a positive A sample. The Olympics and World Championships are special events so they have special time frames. Footy isn’t special so it goes to the stock standard time frame like all the other sports.
All good explanations, but do you personally think those time frames are appropriate for the AFL?
 

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There must be at least some idea among the coaches as to what will happen to Paddy and Monfries. Why would they have gone all out to get him and given up our first two picks if there was a possibility Paddy would be unavailable for an extended time? I would be pretty certain that the coaches only expect any ban to keep him out of the team for half of the year at the most, possibly less.
 

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Huh? How do you work that? Saad got 2 years. Highly unlikely that the Bombers players will get that. Whether that is fair or not is an entirely different conversation.

Crowley tested positive to a banned substance, something of which Ryder and Monfries didn't.
 
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Doc Larkins thinks it could be a common narcotic based pain killer such as codeine.

These types of drugs are banned as they are strong suppressors of pain that allow a player to play when they probably shouldn't presenting a health risk to the player.

More: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-16/so-what-did-crowley-take?
 

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No club or no player will have any sympathy for a dirty prick like Crowley.
Looks like I'm 'that guy', he was given a job to do each week and he did it bloody well, at this early stage we really don't know the exact details of what led up to his positive result being either a calculated risk for pain management or a simple mistake. I'm not going to be too severe on him yet until the full details are disclosed.
 
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All good explanations, but do you personally think those time frames are appropriate for the AFL?
yes.they dont own and run the labs so they cant do much else and they arent that special to jump over everybody else. they have always been mickey mouse about drug testing so whats the differece if a player takes 2-3 months to be caught with 2 positives instead of 2-3 weeks. and my belief that most players are on something probably influences my thinking re the delay.
 
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Where are people drawing the line of "If Crowley gets 2 years, Essendon players will get life" the 2 cases are completely different.One case has a positive test to a banned substance the other is relying on circumstantial evidence.Their nowhere near close to each other.Crowley's case is more aligned to Saad's case.
raptalia's style is to make big exaggerations rather than stick to the facts as a way of making his point - especially on this topic. He'd make a good politican answering a question.
 
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"Although typically used as a cough suppressant, codeine is also a narcotic-based painkiller, he said."

Really? In my experience it's hardly ever used as a suppressant and typically used as a pain killer?

Guess I'm no doctor though.
 

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Looks like I'm 'that guy', he was given a job to do each week and he did it bloody well, at this early stage we really don't know the exact details of what led up to his positive result being either a calculated risk for pain management or a simple mistake. I'm not going to be too severe on him yet until the full details are disclosed.
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Common analgesic that can be bought over the counter - banned, big trouble.

Pregame morphine injection - no worries mate :thumbsu:

I don't get it.
It's the monitoring that's the issue.
There are also lots of over the counter stuff that can mask PED's. When I was in the army a lot of guys went OTT on ibuprofen when a drugs test was coming up or after they had cycled.
That's why high concentrations of over the counter stuff is suspect.
 
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