Toast How can this Hawthorn side be stopped?

[QuietB]

Didn’t we also beat you at the MCG quite comfortably this year?

Hawks only ever beat Geelong when it matters

 

[FootyLad0]

Hawks only ever beat Geelong when it matters

Hey now, we won 2011 Qualifying Final and 2016 Isaac Smiss game….or you could call it the Double Agent game in Geelong’s history books

 

[Mr Meow]

Hawks only ever beat Geelong when it matters

Not always.

Geelong still beat them in a QF on the way to a flag in 2011 and called time on Hawthorn's dynasty in 2016 (softened them up for an easy Bulldogs kill the next week). I believe the Cats also kept them out of finals in 2009 and almost did the same this year.

 

[Del33640]

We'll have the ghost of Isaac Smith at all future Geelong/Hawthorn finals, which should act similarly to a Kennett curse for another few years until you beat us in the 2029 prelim.

That's no ghost.

Even on a scorcher at Torquay Issie couldn't catch a suntan.

 

[Lunchtime]

Hawks only ever beat Geelong when it matters

Hawthorn vs Geelong - All Finals

Hawthorn: 6
Geelong: 4

Hawthorn vs Geelong - Grand Finals

Hawthorn: 2
Geelong: 1

 

[Gavin Excell]

Hawthorn vs Geelong - All Finals

Hawthorn: 6
Geelong: 4

Hawthorn vs Geelong - Grand Finals

Hawthorn: 2
Geelong: 1

Its the 2008 GF that gives rise to this debate.
Fair enough we threw it away but the record is hardly a one sided one

 

[rdhopkins2]

Hawthorn have certainly shown improvement from the start of the season but we aren’t getting carried away. One week at a time.

 

[DogDaySonny]

Cannot.

 

[Lunchtime]

Its the 2008 GF that gives rise to this debate.
Fair enough we threw it away but the record is hardly a one sided one

Not one sided but overall they have the edge (slightly) against Geelong when it truly matters most - Finals Footy.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Hawks only ever beat Geelong when it matters

Like the 2011 and 2016 Qualifying finals?

Sorry if that doesn’t suit your narrative.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Its the 2008 GF that gives rise to this debate.
Fair enough we threw it away but the record is hardly a one sided one

We threw it away with shit goal kicking yes, but they also exploited the rules to the point where the league had to step in and change the rule the following year.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Like the 2011 Qualifying final?

Geelong hasn’t ever won in an elimination style final, EF, SF, PF or GF. Aka when it matters, 2011 and 2016 Hawthorn played on after losing. 2011 they even made a PF.

 

[Delisted]

We threw it away with shit goal kicking yes, but they also exploited the rules to the point where the league had to step in and change the rule the following year.

Pressure and out coached

 

[scrim reaper]

We threw it away with shit goal kicking yes, but they also exploited the rules to the point where the league had to step in and change the rule the following year.

Joel Bowden is the reason they changed the rule.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Joel Bowden is the reason they changed the rule.

So the Hawks doing in 10 times in the Grand Final had nothing to do with it?

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Geelong hasn’t ever won in an elimination style final, EF, SF, PF or GF. Aka when it matters, 2011 and 2016 Hawthorn played on after losing. 2011 they even made a PF.

 

[QuietB]

Geelong hasn’t ever won in an elimination style final, EF, SF, PF or GF. Aka when it matters, 2011 and 2016 Hawthorn played on after losing. 2011 they even made a PF.

I believe these are the games that matter;





Yeh there were some other games - they didn't really matter though

 

[Vic pokiesmon]

Sorry if this has been stated previously but I was surprised when I looked through the hawks year that they haven't actually beaten a top 8 side away this year.Round 8 against Bulldogs except they weren't in 8 at the time and weren't playing that well at that time.Last week against a banged up Carlton team without a bench is it..Not the hawks fault that there draw hasn't been the hardest and not to say they can't go deep into September but it's still relevant

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Sorry if this has been stated previously but I was surprised when I looked through the hawks year that they haven't actually beaten a top 8 side away this year.Round 8 against Bulldogs except they weren't in 8 at the time and weren't playing that well at that time.Last week against a banged up Carlton team without a bench is it..Not the hawks fault that there draw hasn't been the hardest and not to say they can't go deep into September but it's still relevant

It’s irrelevant, beaten every top 8 side currently beside Port, Sydney and Geelong.

+ Carlton and Collingwood who are the other closer sides to the 8.

 

[Fastback]

Its the 2008 GF that gives rise to this debate.
Fair enough we threw it away but the record is hardly a one sided one

You didn't throw it away, you were outplayed.

 

[PhatBoy]

You didn't throw it away, you were outplayed.

This. Hate seeing our fans not acknowledge it.
I think it’s fair to say we didn’t play our best, but equally I think it’s also fair to say Hawthorn turned up and didn’t allow us to, either, and had a fairly significant say in that.

 

[QuietB]

This. Hate seeing our fans not acknowledge it.
I think it’s fair to say we didn’t play our best, but equally I think it’s also fair to say Hawthorn turned up and didn’t allow us to, either, and had a fairly significant say in that.

Respect

Geelong have bullied Hawthorn the last few years and both times this year. It is up to Hawthorn to rectify that.

 

[TylerDurden]

Cats are our kryptonite.

 

[Gavin Excell]

You didn't throw it away, you were outplayed.

In that second qtr we blew it with the dumb shots on goal

But fair comment - had every opportunity second half and got done over

 

[Fastback]

This. Hate seeing our fans not acknowledge it.
I think it’s fair to say we didn’t play our best, but equally I think it’s also fair to say Hawthorn turned up and didn’t allow us to, either, and had a fairly significant say in that.

Yep, there was a deliberate strategy to starve the Cats of the ball or "kill the shark" and force them wide inside 50. No doubt cats were the best team that year, Hawks just stuck tight to a game plan on the day....oh and the rotund bloke moving fwd for 15 mins in the 3rd also helped.