Macca43
Premiership Player
- Mar 10, 2011
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I don't do quid pro quoquality work - now quit disparaging arrow and you'll have access to the executive toilet at bf manor..........
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I don't do quid pro quoquality work - now quit disparaging arrow and you'll have access to the executive toilet at bf manor..........
P..s off, i got it this week.quality work - now quit disparaging arrow and you'll have access to the executive toilet at bf manor..........
You mean like Richmond who got Deledio and Rance as priority picks, or Geelong who got Scarlett, the Ablett brothers, Tim Callan, Mark Blake, Tom Hawkins, Jed Bews & Oscar Brownless as father sons and now have every second player nominate them as a destination club? Or COllingwood who got Didak & Thomas as priorities plus the Shaws, Clokes, Moore, Brown, Daicos & Kelly as father sons plus Quaynor as an academy player?
It is amazing what those clubs did with no AFL assistance!!
Rance at pick 18? Yeah we couldn't even use our first round picks well
Fathers sons, available to all clubs, we should have looked at DNA cloning?
Didak and Thomas are no longer at the Pies, yet their recruiting continued to be first rate?
Quaynor is an academy player, like we have one, that we should invest in better
The entitlement of some our supporters is staggering
As usual you miss the point deliberately and entirely because it is easier than challenging your own opinion.
And this is nothing to do with entitlement, simply a realisation that the game is crooked and piously clinging to our purity while even else has their noses well and truly in the trough is pointless. But you do always like to be holier than thou.
Crooked? Sure, the AFL caused us to draft poorly and mismanage our list
Staggering
The entire system is a joke so much so it’s hardly worth discussing who got who from where. Watching Quaynor last week mad me absolutely sick. The kid looks like he could be an absolute star and they got him for absolutele s**tYou mean like Richmond who got Deledio and Rance as priority picks, or Geelong who got Scarlett, the Ablett brothers, Tim Callan, Mark Blake, Tom Hawkins, Jed Bews & Oscar Brownless as father sons and now have every second player nominate them as a destination club? Or COllingwood who got Didak & Thomas as priorities plus the Shaws, Clokes, Moore, Brown, Daicos & Kelly as father sons plus Quaynor as an academy player?
It is amazing what those clubs did with no AFL assistance!!
Although we have to keep in mind that the AFL create the 'policies'....the problem is that they are so loose in their application that supporters have no idea what their club is entitled to. Originally if a club had 4 wins or less in a season, it received a priority pick....it's now just a fuzzy application type scenario that the decision/outcome is based on some criteria that nobody has any idea what these are. Same goes with compensation of free agents. Policy on the run is always going to cause angst among the punters.Rance at pick 18? Yeah we couldn't even use our first round picks well
Fathers sons, available to all clubs, we should have looked at DNA cloning?
Didak and Thomas are no longer at the Pies, yet their recruiting continued to be first rate?
Quaynor is an academy player, like we have one, that we should invest in better
The entitlement of some our supporters is staggering
What a shock, another strawman!!
But OK, the draft is pure and unadulterated, whatever you say.
FMD!!
Pot. Kettle.
You mean like Richmond who got Deledio and Rance as priority picks, or Geelong who got Scarlett, the Ablett brothers, Tim Callan, Mark Blake, Tom Hawkins, Jed Bews & Oscar Brownless as father sons and now have every second player nominate them as a destination club? Or COllingwood who got Didak & Thomas as priorities plus the Shaws, Clokes, Moore, Brown, Daicos & Kelly as father sons plus Quaynor as an academy player?
It is amazing what those clubs did with no AFL assistance!!
Whats the point in formulating a factual response to you when you will simply set up another strawman.Still playing the man, rather than formulating a factual response?
You make a couple of valid points but your argument has a couple of holes.
Andrew Walker- priority pick
Shaun Sampson - priority pick
Whitnal, Blackwell, Buckley, Silvagni x 2 (and 1 coming) plus opportunity to take Manton and Hickmott x 2, Sheldon and Hunter in the past.
It's not the AFL's fault our sons were generally s**tter than Geelong's.
Whats the point in formulating a factual response to you when you will simply set up another strawman.
And it isn't "playing the man" to observe that your "Crooked? Sure, the AFL caused us to draft poorly and mismanage our list" statement has nothing to do with my assertion that the draft is compromised.
Wouldn't it have been amazing if prior to 2015 our inept recruiters did what they were suppose to do, just like the Crows, Pies, Tigers, Cats to name a few that like us never had access to academy players, yet built strong competative sides, rather than begging for a handout
And now that we all have access to NGA, like other sides, perhaps we will focus on developing kids in that zone
You mean like Richmond who got Deledio and Rance as priority picks, or Geelong who got Scarlett, the Ablett brothers, Tim Callan, Mark Blake, Tom Hawkins, Jed Bews & Oscar Brownless as father sons and now have every second player nominate them as a destination club? Or COllingwood who got Didak & Thomas as priorities plus the Shaws, Clokes, Moore, Brown, Daicos & Kelly as father sons plus Quaynor as an academy player?
It is amazing what those clubs did with no AFL assistance!!
Man how do you remember all of that? I would struggle to remember what CFC players delisted from 5 years ago would look like.
Footywire draft history!!
quality work - now quit disparaging arrow and you'll have access to the executive toilet at bf manor..........
never been there, probably somewhere I need to head to..
Although we have to keep in mind that the AFL create the 'policies'....the problem is that they are so loose in their application that supporters have no idea what their club is entitled to. Originally if a club had 4 wins or less in a season, it received a priority pick....it's now just a fuzzy application type scenario that the decision/outcome is based on some criteria that nobody has any idea what these are. Same goes with compensation of free agents. Policy on the run is always going to cause angst among the punters.
Totally agree that the draft system, f/sons, NGA and academies are all great initiatives, and we have to get better at some of these to help sustain our list into the future.
If Carlton or GCS are not eligible for a PP, then NO club will ever get one.
I would love to know under which metric a club could get a PP?
The only thing I could see is a plane crash that wipes out a team. I just cannot see a PP ever be given based on onfield performance, because Carlton has been terrible for 5 years.
Not keen on PP's. The main reason being that it's such a grey area at the AFL's discretion. I suppose if it was black and white where teams had to tick boxes to be entitled to a PP, then the tanking argument comes into play. Surely there is a better way to help teams consistently down the bottom.
Still with the strawman? Okay, I will entertaining you and I will address that soon enough. Given enough rope you always seem tie your own noose
Firstly, your response earlier in this interaction, was factually incorrect, Didak was never a PP, perhaps you should work on your research. You then mention a series of other players that were taken with aa PP, Deledio in 2004, I will counter that with Murphy in 2005. Then Rance in 2007, end of the 1st round, Kruezer as a PP in the same draft. So was in the PP or the talent identification that was better? We then made the decision to force out a player that didn't want to leave the club, a future hall of famer in Kennedy and a soild foot soldier in Masten, (both recent flag winners) for 2 players that are no longer in the game. Poor list management?
Now on the "strawman" comment. My post was only based on the discussion of priority picks, you then introduce father sons and academy picks, is that not where the "strawman" deflection started? Ironic isn't. So, while on father sons and academy players, we had/have the same assess/benefits as all other clubs, as the ones you mentioned in the Cats and Pies. Should we get a PP, due to ours being of lesser quality?
Is that noose tightening?
Sigh - still building that strawman. You only think my noose is tightening because you are arguing a completely different point.
My point is simple, the draft is incredibly compromised with all sorts of assistance PP, FS, Academies - you pointing to all the assistance we got only enhances my argument.
No one is arguing the blues didn't draft poorly.
As for Didak, this is from footywire - the P stands for "Priority" - if that is in correct take it up with them.
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As for your original post being about PP this is it, you note it mentions only "handouts" and no access to academy players - you are as loose with the truth as your are with the noose.
"Wouldn't it have been amazing if prior to 2015 our inept recruiters did what they were suppose to do, just like the Crows, Pies, Tigers, Cats to name a few that like us never had access to academy players, yet built strong competative sides, rather than begging for a handout"
You really are struggling Macca, perhaps you should go back to my original post
If you are saying the main point of your argument is that the AFL is compromised in these matters, why are you in the pro PP party? It's a real contradiction
Gibbs not selected again. Not even named as emergency.