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jackess said:
I thought it was his lack of contested marks which cost him his AFL career
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I would have though it would have been his lack of defensive pressure and tackling.
 

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jackess said:
Ah the old. Look at measurements. Probably tall enough to play as a KPP.

If you want to look at stats. He's averaged 0.1 contested marks in his career and that's without playing on a key defender.

Apart from his height there is absolutely nothing to indicate that he can make it as a third tall in the forward line.
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Did not say he is playing a KPP. I said he could fill the 3rd tall forward role of McStay until Hippy returns
Playing midfield he is not really in a position to take contested marks
Key forwards don't take many contested marks on average anyhow. Joe's career average 1.6 Hippy 1.0
No set in stone rule that a 3rd tall has to be a great contested mark. Just needs to contest that entry

I am quite happy for talls to take uncontested marks all day.

Our other option is a small/medium forward or a resting ruck
Jarrod because of his height will take the oppositions 3 rd tall defender just like a resting ruck. This helps Jo and McStay not being double teamed
The question is will he kick more goals than say Fort IF he makes the team or a small/medium player
Will he put more pressure on the opposition coming out of our forward zone than a resting ruck if one is played
Will he get more disposals than a resting ruck.
He is more likely to get a stoppage clearance than a resting ruck.
Is he more likely to make more tackles in our forward zone

Playing a 3rd tall from round 1 helps the game plan transition when Hippy returns rather than playing a resting ruck or small/medium forward

I put his measurements for posters or others viewing that may not be aware Jarrod is a fairly big lad for a midfielder
 
Section 5 said:
Could we see a change of role for Jarrod Berry this year
I still think the club will trial a 3rd tall forward in the preseason as i have mentioned in various posts
No reason why Jarrod (or someone else) can't fill this role until Hippy returns after the bye.
However he would have to play that role so no midfield time. Basically taking McStay's usual 3rd tall role
Jarrod at his best is not a huge accumulator of the footy
His best year disposal wise was 2019 having a disposal average of 19.6. (2021: 12.6 disposals, 2020: 15.9 disposals)
Defensively he would hopefully help restrict that opposition move out of our forward half

McStay:- 195 cm & 97 kg
J Berry.:- 193 cm & 89 kg
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I'd like to see Jarrod Berry as a direct replacement for Birchall across half back. He could regain both form and confidence there. He could play as a rebound defender, lockdown defender, or take on the oppositions third tall. Fort's rotation in the ruck would allow himself or Oscar to ply the third tall on the forward line. Rayner coming back will be like a new mature aged recruit, Neale will be better if injury free, Dev Robertson needs more midfield time to show that he will be a gun. So plenty of midfield options without Berry.
 
Personally I see Jarrod Berry as a battering ram to get the ball going forward from the middle part of the ground. Not sure he has the intercept mark ability and/or finesse kicking skills and/or explosive pace to break defensive forward's lines to find a spot in the backline. He will drop back there to plug holes/guard space or put pressure on but ultimately I don't think it is his bag.
 
jfn said:
I'd like to see Jarrod Berry as a direct replacement for Birchall across half back. He could regain both form and confidence there. He could play as a rebound defender, lockdown defender, or take on the oppositions third tall. Fort's rotation in the ruck would allow himself or Oscar to ply the third tall on the forward line. Rayner coming back will be like a new mature aged recruit, Neale will be better if injury free, Dev Robertson needs more midfield time to show that he will be a gun. So plenty of midfield options without Berry.
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I think JBez was a defender or spent some time in defence as an underage. Maybe wrong. I think he could be quite useful behind the ball. Can’t see him as a forward.
 
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not sure we can count on J Berry goals kicking as well
Him and Clugga both make me super nervous when they kick at goals.
If he actually gets 5-6 games without injury like him in the middle or maybe as other said off HB or wing
 
So far we've seen suggestions that Berry could be best M/F, Wing , KPF, pinch hit forward , and backline somewhere.

What about ruck ?

He was going to be our next Captain at one stage and now no one has any idea where he should play.

He seems to have good endurance ,is a big strong guy , but so far isn't outstanding enough at any one thing to be a shoe in for any position.

Let's just get him fit and well ,give him a role that he can cope with and hopefully over time get some confidence back in his body and his game so that he can slot somewhere into the M/F .Which is where I think he will be of most value if he can get his career trajectory back on the path it looked to be going.
 
Remember Bucks said rucks are overrated, when they lost to us by a point :)
So why not Berry in the ruck :)

Honestly he really needs a full preseason and probably 10 games to really get going
not sure he had that in the last 3 seasons.
 
davemc_lions said:
had a few bags also missed a few from 20 out in front
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Jarrod Berry has had some shockers when goal kicking
However overall his career total is reasonable with 39 goals 30 behinds
Like everyone else it does not count out of bounds
 

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If he got confidence in his game back his goalkicking would be fine.

Though like a lot of young players he seems better on the run when he doesn't have too much time to think about it.
 
Sorry everyone, long post warning, but I've been stewing on this for a while, and quite frankly it could have been longer.

TL;DR:

  1. Hold a tall as the deepest forward at all times
  2. Find how/if our midfield strategy differed when Neale was/wasn’t in the team
  3. Defenders need to be able to beat their men one on one regardless of midfield pressure
  4. We should be the fittest team in the comp

It’s been 10 years since I posted on BigFooty, and about 17 years since I frequented the site in any meaningful capacity… Fair to say the quality of discussion looks to have improved considerably in that time, so the pressure is on to maintain that high standard!

I’m back because I hold similar fears as in early 2001 - that the current group has the talent to achieve considerable success, but that this talent is at risk of being wasted if several changes are not made.

  1. ATTACK

    To me this is the biggest thing. We get this one thing right and it could almost be enough to go all the way.

    Love the 3 key forward setup. But one of them simply has to hold their position and be the deepest forward. Playing Charlie Cameron one out inside 50 may look sensational and see plenty of scores kicked in the regular season, but it relies on quick ball movement and accurate delivery inside 50. Thus, it is not sustainable in finals. Here is a list of all the times that sort of strategy has worked in big games, for any team, ever:



    So we start 2022 with the Daniher/McStay/Fullarton triad, in addition to McInerney and Fort changing in the ruck. McStay holds as the deepest forward, given he’s the best contested mark of the 3, while the other 2 play as twin centre half forwards, taking one side of the ground each. When one leads beyond centre, the other falls in behind as a mobile target across half forward. Hipwood slots right into that role once fully fit. Cameron/Cockatoo get to McStay’s feet and fight like crazy to lock the ball in. Opportunities will present, and with the forward line less open, opposition defences will find it harder to exit.

  2. MIDFIELD

    To @briztoon’s point(s) about Neale, the stats when he played and didn’t play are staggering. 7 wins, 0 losses, % of 185 (average score 110 to 60) in the games he missed. 8 wins, 9 losses, % of 110 (average score 88 to 80) in the games he played. The sample sizes are both large enough for this to not be an anomaly, and they are almost completely reversed in the matches where Mathieson was in the starting 22 vs when he wasn’t. Not only that, we even LOOKED better defensively.

    It’s as though we play Russian roulette when Neale is in the team. He’s never going to line up on the defensive side of stoppages, whereas Mathieson is more likely to be given that role. So when Neale plays and things are going our way we look sensational, but when the opposition gets on top we look slow, lethargic, and disinterested in engaging in the grind necessary to wrench the contest back our way. I get that we don’t want to be dictated to, but the game against Fremantle in Perth was when we looked our best, and in hindsight it was little surprise to learn that blokes were given specific jobs to play on, and beat, a direct opponent. Simplicity is not always interesting or exciting, but it sure is successful.

  3. DEFENCE

    Fages talks about playing a “team defence”, relying on midfield pressure, which I get. But there still comes a time when we need to be able to simply put up our hand, play on an opponent, and beat them or break even, regardless of the delivery. We now know at least Andrews was playing injured, and this needs to stop. Let’s find out about our depth. Maybe an injured Harris Andrews is a better player than a fully fit Jack Payne now, but is he better than a fully fit Jack Payne with 20 or 30 games under his belt and feeling more sure of his place in the team? Let’s not guess, let’s know. Making these tough decisions now can only help Harris, Jack and the club as a whole, as we move forward.

  4. FITNESS

    We have the natural advantage of training all through preseason in 30 degree heat and higher humidity than in the southern states. We should be, by quite some distance, the fittest team in the comp. Yet our quarter-by-quarter performances in 2021 put us middle of the road, at best. In tight games, or even games in which we are well behind, this can be a massive factor. The Grand Final showed as much, where even in the second quarter ABC Radio’s boundary commentator mentioned that the Bulldogs players were coming off the field in a more “fatigued” and “distressed” state than the Melbourne players.
 
What was our win loss ratio in the three seasons before Neale joined the club like compared to the last 3 seasons?
 

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