How do we use Maric

[CaptainDangerfield]

Provided Clarke, Biglands and Maric are all injury free, how should we use our rucks? The only viable options that I can see are:

1) Play all three. Biglands resting in the forward line, Clarke and Maric resting on the bench. Can't see this happening.

2) Play Biglands and Clarke and have Maric playing SANFL as the backup. I don't think this would be a fair move. The kid is absolutely burning in the SANFL. Then we also have the problem he may lose interest due to the lack of opportunty and go home thoughts may enter his head, ala Watts. It seems Marics tap work is quite good. As far as around the ground play goes, he only has to take 2 marks a game and he's beaten Clarke in this department.

3) Play Biglands and Maric and have Clarke playing SANFL as the backup. I would seriously consider this option when we play teams that don't have monster crash and bash ruckman ie Collingwood, Melbourne, Kangas etc.

Quite the dilemma. Thoughts?

 

[macca23]

Provided Clarke, Biglands and Maric are all injury free, how should we use our rucks? The only viable options that I can see are:

1) Play all three. Biglands resting in the forward line, Clarke and Maric resting on the bench. Can't see this happening.

2) Play Biglands and Clarke and have Maric playing SANFL as the backup. I don't think this would be a fair move. The kid is absolutely burning in the SANFL. Then we also have the problem he may lose interest due to the lack of opportunty and go home thoughts may enter his head, ala Watts. It seems Marics tap work is quite good. As far as around the ground play goes, he only has to take 2 marks a game and he's beaten Clarke in this department.

3) Play Biglands and Maric and have Clarke playing SANFL as the backup. I would seriously consider this option when we play teams that don't have monster crash and bash ruckman ie Collingwood, Melbourne, Kangas etc.

Quite the dilemma. Thoughts?

It's the correct move.

Currently our 2 best ruckmen are Biglands and Clarke.

Maric will be a good one but he's still learning. Hopefully he learns plenty because next year he WILL take over from Clarke.

All in the correct fullness of time Springy.

 

[- PC -]

With Bock out at the moment and Biglands playing well...can we afford to play Biglands down forward and Maric rucking?

Biglands forward stretches a defence a bit more when pushing McGregor or Hentschell back to CHB. Maric , from what i recall of the nab, rucks in that bustling style that Biglands does ie takes the ruck then puts his body down and through the packs to open up space.

The negative to this is that WC employ as many midfielders as we do and to play Maric takes away a small player we may need to combat that

An interesting dilemma

 

[RoosterLad]

Don't play three ruckmen. I remember Port doing that, didn't work.
Don't rush Maric... keep him at the Ethelton Footy Club for now and keep Clarke and Biglands in the side.

 

[Stiffy_18]

It's the correct move.

Currently our 2 best ruckmen are Biglands and Clarke.

Maric will be a good one but he's still learning. Hopefully he learns plenty because next year he WILL take over from Clarke.

All in the correct fullness of time Springy.

Correct on all counts

 

[drakeyv2]

It's the correct move.

Currently our 2 best ruckmen are Biglands and Clarke.

Maric will be a good one but he's still learning. Hopefully he learns plenty because next year he WILL take over from Clarke.

All in the correct fullness of time Springy.

They need to improve on their ruckwork from Monday night.

 

[Stiffy_18]

They need to improve on their ruckwork from Monday night.

And they are both ususally better than what they have shown last night in terms of ruckwork.

Until last night, I can't remember the last time that Clarke was beaten in actual ruckwork.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

They need to improve on their ruckwork from Monday night.

Juts to give you an idea of the difference:

Clarke - 2 marks, 1 kick, 6 handballs.

Richards - ( very average ruckman ) - 3 marks, 4 kicks, 3 handballs.

Fraser - ( average ruckman ) - 9 marks, 12 kicks, 5 handballs.

 

[FCAGJAT]

Juts to give you an idea of the difference:

Clarke - 2 marks, 1 kick, 6 handballs.

Richards - ( very average ruckman ) - 3 marks, 4 kicks, 3 handballs.

Fraser - ( average ruckman ) - 9 marks, 12 kicks, 5 handballs.

how old is clarke compared to the other 2?

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

how old is clarke compared to the other 2?

That would be about Clarkes average stats for tyhe majority of his career, or his career with the AFC at least.

 

[drakeyv2]

That would be about Clarkes average stats for tyhe majority of his career, or his career with the AFC at least.

I have always said that once the ruck contest is over having Clarke on the field is like playing with 17 men.

His ruckwork has usualy been very good & for many of us (not all however) this has been enough for him to hold his spot in the side.

I think his performance against Collingwood surprised us all. I expected him to belt Fraser in the ruck.

He will need to improve on Monday's effort to keep Maric out.

 

[Crow-mo]

Juts to give you an idea of the difference:

Clarke - 2 marks, 1 kick, 6 handballs.

Richards - ( very average ruckman ) - 3 marks, 4 kicks, 3 handballs.

Fraser - ( average ruckman ) - 9 marks, 12 kicks, 5 handballs.

these are not the relevant measures of ruck work

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Juts to give you an idea of the difference:

Clarke - 2 marks, 1 kick, 6 handballs.

Richards - ( very average ruckman ) - 3 marks, 4 kicks, 3 handballs.

Fraser - ( average ruckman ) - 9 marks, 12 kicks, 5 handballs.

Was it Drummond who said that although Clarke was beaten in the ruck he was impressed with his improved around the ground performance

Exactly what game was he watching??

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Provided Clarke, Biglands and Maric are all injury free, how should we use our rucks? The only viable options that I can see are:

1) Play all three. Biglands resting in the forward line, Clarke and Maric resting on the bench. Can't see this happening.

2) Play Biglands and Clarke and have Maric playing SANFL as the backup. I don't think this would be a fair move. The kid is absolutely burning in the SANFL. Then we also have the problem he may lose interest due to the lack of opportunty and go home thoughts may enter his head, ala Watts. It seems Marics tap work is quite good. As far as around the ground play goes, he only has to take 2 marks a game and he's beaten Clarke in this department.

3) Play Biglands and Maric and have Clarke playing SANFL as the backup. I would seriously consider this option when we play teams that don't have monster crash and bash ruckman ie Collingwood, Melbourne, Kangas etc.

Quite the dilemma. Thoughts?

I believe that if Maric continues his current form, we must play him for at least a third of the games to accelerate his development. So Springy, I favour your 3rd option for some games if he wouldn't otherwise get opportunities through injury.

 

[marvin]

Juts to give you an idea of the difference:

Clarke - 2 marks, 1 kick, 6 handballs.

Richards - ( very average ruckman ) - 3 marks, 4 kicks, 3 handballs.

Fraser - ( average ruckman ) - 9 marks, 12 kicks, 5 handballs.

Contested marks - Clarke 1, Biglands 2, Fraser 0, Richards 0.
Hitouts - Clarke 17, Biglands 11, Fraser 18, Richards 6.
Throw in hitouts - Adelaide 15 Collingwood 6.
Contested possessions - Biglands 4 Clarke 2 Fraser 1 Richards 0.

 

[marvin]

With Bock out at the moment and Biglands playing well...can we afford to play Biglands down forward and Maric rucking?

Biglands forward stretches a defence a bit more when pushing McGregor or Hentschell back to CHB. Maric , from what i recall of the nab, rucks in that bustling style that Biglands does ie takes the ruck then puts his body down and through the packs to open up space.

The negative to this is that WC employ as many midfielders as we do and to play Maric takes away a small player we may need to combat that

An interesting dilemma

Not such a silly suggestion, but maybe not for this week - with Cox and Seaby the Eagles probably have the best ruck combo in the league.

Consider it seriously for Round 3 (where Jamar is an OK at best 2nd ruck) and / or Rnd 4 (6 day turn around combined with a Brisbane / Perth road trip may mean that a veteran like Clarke may not be fully recovered and could do with some help).

 

[- PC -]

Not such a silly suggestion, but maybe not for this week - with Cox and Seaby the Eagles probably have the best ruck combo in the league.

Consider it seriously for Round 3 (where Jamar is an OK at best 2nd ruck) and / or Rnd 4 (6 day turn around combined with a Brisbane / Perth road trip may mean that a veteran like Clarke may not be fully recovered and could do with some help).

I applaud your thinking about the player management. I had forgotten the turnaround.

Will Clarke be another Lynch/Carey( no I am not suggesting Clarke is as good Dont Think DooDoo) in that he plays home games or his body needs a minimum 11 day break?

 

[Stiffy_18]

Contested marks - Clarke 1, Biglands 2, Fraser 0, Richards 0.
Hitouts - Clarke 17, Biglands 11, Fraser 18, Richards 6.
Throw in hitouts - Adelaide 15 Collingwood 6.
Contested possessions - Biglands 4 Clarke 2 Fraser 1 Richards 0.

ouch

 

[Gets!]

Maric is better than Richards and co.

 

[Sheeds]

Maric is coming along very nicely at the Maggies, you certainly do have a player on your hands. Obviously still developing, but certainly has improved his around the ground stuff, like reading the play across half-back and dropping into holes. He is generally solid in his ruckwork as well. Certainly improved over the season last year and this looks to have continued.

Most people rightfully singing his praises, I suppose where does this leave Meeson in the scheme of things. Hudson also perhaps to be around the mark later in the season makes for interesting selection.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

I believe that if Maric continues his current form, we must play him for at least a third of the games to accelerate his development. So Springy, I favour your 3rd option for some games if he wouldn't otherwise get opportunities through injury.

That's the way i'm leaning too. Play Maric when the opposition ruckman isn't top tier such as -Carlton, Coll, Essendon, Kangas, St K.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

ouch

Do you reckon they're impressive stats Stiff. It would be interesting to compare Clarkes stats ( around the ground )over the last few years with quality ruckman such as Cox, Everitt, Lade, White etc. As far as around the ground impact goes, I reckon you would find Clarke would figure in the bottom 20%