How do you fix rugby in Australia?

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fumbler

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so if South Africa join the 6 nations, then what? Australia and NZ state/provincial teams play random games against each other? Is there any money in that?
The steep slope is getting steeper.

We need to help Japan get better fast.
 

Swannnnn

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As a casual observer of Union, can someone tell me the reasoning why they put restrictions on the selecting Aussie players that play overseas? doesn't make sense to me. I thought you would want to select the best players available regardless if they play in Super Rugby or not.
 

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As a casual observer of Union, can someone tell me the reasoning why they put restrictions on the selecting Aussie players that play overseas? doesn't make sense to me. I thought you would want to select the best players available regardless if they play in Super Rugby or not.
Well NZ do it, so we have to do it too on that basis.

There is more money on offer overseas now, so players need to weigh up Wallabies selection vs how much they can earn. If the ARU allowed players to play anywhere then the talent pool of the 4 SR teams here would be drained. They compromised with the Giteau rule in 2015 and now players have in the back of their minds to get to 60 tests ASAP and then consider moving overseas while staying eligible.
 

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How good is RA going on Raelene's watch!!!

She has now resigned and left her post as the boss in the ARU board.

But that 285 million over 5 years in that 2021-25 period would of been a handy and fair deal.
 

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Rugby Australia has pitched four national club championship models to broadcasters, including a 32-team knockout competition in the mould of soccer's FFA Cup, as well as an eight-team tournament held over six weeks with potential wildcards from Northern Territory, South Australia and Tasmania.

RA last week outlined the content it would offer up in the new broadcast cycle beginning next year, with Bledisloe Tests, a new version of Super Rugby - either an Australian-based or trans-Tasman version - a state of origin series and super eight concept all put forward.


Also included was a national club championship, which, it is hoped, will be played after existing state-based competitions. The Herald has obtained a copy of the four models drawn up and an outline of what RA would like to see from the competition that will ultimately determine the best club side in the country.

The national club championship would involve existing premier rugby teams and, importantly, the idea is to split revenue evenly across the board rather than reward successful clubs even more.

It will not only need to align with the rugby calendar but also be financially sustainable, with a yet-to-be-determined budget dependant on the amount RA can attract from a broadcaster.


RA does not have a preference for any particular model but is committed to including teams from non-traditional rugby states.

Two of the models feature eight teams, while there are also 16-team and 32-team options which are both knockouts.

The 32-team option is similar to the FFA Cup - but unlike the soccer tournament, professional teams such as the Waratahs wouldn’t be involved. Every state premier rugby competition would be represented but working out how many NSW and Queensland sides would take part, for example, is up for debate. Rankings would be based on performances in respective state-based competitions that year.


RA is keen to form a working group made up of premier rugby clubs and state unions to consider and investigate competition modelling. The group would have a say in determining how many teams from each state would be selected for the nationwide tournament. The bottom line, however, is that broadcasters will have the biggest influence.


Option two is a 16-club knockout competition with 15 matches across four weeks but only with teams from the Shute Shield (NSW), Hospital Cup (QLD), John I Dent Cup (ACT), Dewar Shield (VIC) and Fortescue Premier Grade (WA).

Options three and four, both with eight teams, are round-robin based. One model involves two pools of four teams that come from the five above mentioned states and territory. Each team would play three games, one against each other, before the top two advance to semi-finals.

The other model is similar to the last but two ‘wildcard sides’ will be able to qualify for pool spots, which would also be divided up with four teams split across two pools. The third and fourth models would run for five weeks and six weeks, respectively.

RA is keen to formally begin broadcast negotiations by September 4.


The four National Club Championship models
Model A - Top 32 knockout
32 clubs
Five weeks
31 matches
Every state premier rugby competition represented (NSW, QLD, ACT, VIC, WA, SA, TAS, NT)
Ladder position at the end of state-based competitions determines seeding
Model B - Top 16 knockout
16 clubs
Four weeks
15 matches
Represented across Shute Shield (NSW), Hospital Cup (QLD), John I Dent Cup (ACT), Dewar Shield (VIC) and Fortescue Premier Grade (WA)
Model C - Top 8 (no wildcards)
Eight clubs
Five weeks
15 matches
Two pools of four teams - round robin in each pool across three weeks
Represented across Shute Shield (NSW), Hospital Cup (QLD), John I Dent Cup (ACT), Dewar Shield (VIC) and Fortescue Premier Grade (WA)
Semi-finals – 1st Pool A v 2nd Pool B & 2nd Pool A v 1st Pool B
Final – winners of each semi-final
Model D - Top 8 (with wildcards)
Eight clubs including two wildcard sides.
Six weeks
17 matches
Two wildcard playoffs to qualify for pool stage
Two pools of four teams - round robin in each pool across three weeks
Represented across Shute Shield (NSW), Hospital Cup (QLD), John I Dent Cup (ACT), Dewar Shield (VIC) and Fortescue Premier Grade (WA) – plus potential NT, SA and TAS competition seedings as wildcards
Semi-finals – 1st Pool A v 2nd Pool B & 2nd Pool A v 1st Pool B
Final – winners of each semi-final
 

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