How do you fix rugby in Australia?

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FeelingThroaty said:
In reply to the heading; Sack the coach. Bring back Western Force. There you go.
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Rather funny that is 2018 the Force had higher attendances than any of the Austrlian super rugby sides despite playing what were essentially just a series of friendlies.

Rugby Union has a long history and relatively good following WA, why they axed them instead of the Rebels is indicative of how much a basketcase the ARU are atm.

In all honesty though right now Australia doesnt have the talent to have four competitive Super Rugby teams, the pool is just too shallow.
 
Needs to be a serious discussion between the various stakeholders of the game about moving to a trans tasman domestic rugby competition. 5 NZ teams, 5 Australian teams. Maybe Japan, but that brings in the huge travel factor.
 
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Greenstar5 said:
Needs to be a serious discussion between the various stakeholders of the game about moving to a trans tasman domestic rugby competition. 5 NZ teams, 5 Australian teams. Maybe Japan, but that brings in the huge travel factor.
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NZ time and again have shown that they will put their own self interest first and pick the TV money that comes from South Africa. Rugby fans in this country forget that the biggest rival traditionally for the All Blacks are the Springboks, so the NZRU have no loyalty or interest in helping save Australian Rugby.

So if Super Rugby was to fall apart, the NZRU would sooner look after their own backyard and revert back to their own domestic competition than link up with Australia for a few extra dollars. They only play Super Rugby so they get the South African Dollar and regular matches against them.
 
Twiggy should clear the debt and sell it as a 'hey look at me/look what RA did' PR exercise.

$1m isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things but the ongoing financial viability of RWA is a concern.

I would like to see a breakdown of where registration fees go. IIRC a percentage goes up the chain to the high performance end which is pretty insulting to WA community rugby players.
 

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Scotland said:
Twiggy should clear the debt and sell it as a 'hey look at me/look what RA did' PR exercise.

$1m isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things but the ongoing financial viability of RWA is a concern.

I would like to see a breakdown of where registration fees go. IIRC a percentage goes up the chain to the high performance end which is pretty insulting to WA community rugby players.
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Why pay the debt when he has his own league already.
 
to fix Rugby in Australia, you make sure that whatever our highest sub national competition is, it has a team in Perth.
 
Seedsfan said:
Problems run a lot deeper than the death of the Force. I have always believed we are stronger as 5 so this is by no means a dig at the Force.
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Absolutely.

Currently rugby is like the VFL in 1989. Teams in NSW and Qld but not SA.

WA is the third biggest local competition and is not represented at SR level while ACT and Vic are.

NZ must giggle across the dutch. We had a whole process to choose between Perth and Melbourne from about 2003/4 and Perth won. Then Sanzaar said drop a team and RA caved and axed the Force because it was contractually easier. WA produces more players, gets better crowds from under half the population and got better results. And to make it even sillier there's a team in Canberra that just piggybacks off Qld/NSW anyway. Even WSR was more popular than the Rebels/Brumbies are.
 
Scotland said:
Absolutely.

Currently rugby is like the VFL in 1989. Teams in NSW and Qld but not SA.

WA is the third biggest local competition and is not represented at SR level while ACT and Vic are.

NZ must giggle across the dutch. We had a whole process to choose between Perth and Melbourne from about 2003/4 and Perth won. Then Sanzaar said drop a team and RA caved and axed the Force because it was contractually easier. WA produces more players, gets better crowds from under half the population and got better results. And to make it even sillier there's a team in Canberra that just piggybacks off Qld/NSW anyway. Even WSR was more popular than the Rebels/Brumbies are.
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Rugby has problems in every market it’s in, I love the Rebels but I don’t know about them at the moment there are 3 Vics regularly getting a game at the Brumbies. How? How have they been let go? The pathways in Vic and the game at a junior level is growing with new clubs opening up. But then on the other hand the senior comp is shrinking.

On a positive note we have had 5 vics play for the Rebels this year and one who only misses through injury.

I know you don’t want to sell out but I think we need to sign up for the World league the income that would generate for Australian rugby would be massive. With that money we could stop talented juniors defecting to the NRL helping to raise the standards of the Super sides

A big positive is the junior wallabies, the academy system they have put in place to keep young talent in the game seems to be working hopefully they can back this performance up in the coming years
 
Seedsfan said:
I know you don’t want to sell out but I think we need to sign up for the World league the income that would generate for Australian rugby would be massive.
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A World League isn’t going to happen. It’s more likely that the English sell off their Premiership to Private Equity which is followed by the 6 Nations doing likewise for that competition so that they don’t have to introduce promotion/regulation which leaves SAANZA holding the can once again.

The Northern Unions aren’t interested in helping out the Southern Unions and that’s why the awful plan for a World League got leaked.
 
Scotland said:
World League reads like a terrible proposal. Pretty much kills off tours and condemns whoever is 13th and below to forever being second rate.
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Gives the games in spring more meaning. It does have a fair few issues at this stage like what happens in a Lions or World Cup year?
 
Seedsfan said:
Gives the games in spring more meaning. It does have a fair few issues at this stage like what happens in a Lions or World Cup year?
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Well what do you know. World Rugby is not going ahead with the World League because it doesn't have the support from the European Unions....

www.foxsports.com.au

‘Missed opportunity’: SANZAAR, Australia react to Nations Championship demise

‘Missed opportunity’: SANZAAR, Australia react to Nations Championship demise
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World Rugby has abandoned its plans to create a Nations Championship after failing to gain support from unions, the sport’s ruling body said on Wednesday.
Rugby’s governing body needed unanimous approval from the 10 countries that make up the Six Nations and Rugby Championship — including Australia and New Zealand — to enter into exclusive negotiations.
World Rugby identified the inability to reach a consensus on key issues such as the timing and format of promotion and relegation as the reason for scrapping the project.
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The 4 SAANZAR Unions supported the World League, but needed the Europeans to carry it and once the prospect of promotion/relegation was brought up for the Six Nations the World League was dead in the water. Ah well hope the TV Rights for Super Rugby are well sort after:drunk:
 
For the record the San Francisco 2032 agreement take effect for a Global calendar agreement which sets out an international schedule from 2020 until 2032

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World Rugby announces historic agreement on long-term calendar harmony | Rugby World Cup

Global calendar agreement sets out international schedule from 2020-32.
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Key Points:
  • Optimised calendar promotes compelling, competitive and meaningful tests
  • Long-term agreement creates commercial certainty for all unions
  • 39 per cent increase in tier one v tier two fixtures with emerging nations integrated on merit
  • Tier one tours to Pacific Islands, Japan, Canada, USA, Georgia and Romania
  • Player welfare at heart of the decision-making process
  • Uninterrupted Super Rugby season with new July window
  • Optimised calendar will aid the development of the club game
Tier 1 vs Tier 2 matches will become a major focus of the calendar and allow Tier 2 nations to develop long term
  • Record minimum of 110 tier one v tier two matches over the period as emerging rugby nations are integrated into the schedule throughout the period (a 39 per cent increase on the previous schedule)
  • SANZAAR Unions committed to hosting tier two nations in July window, creating a blend of opposition
  • France and England to tour the Pacific Islands while USA, Canada and Japan also host tours
  • Georgia and Romania to host matches against Six Nations unions within the July window
  • Ability for rankings to determine inclusion of tier two teams in the schedule after Rugby World Cup 2019 and 2023 tournaments to ensure top emerging teams at the time are provided with tier one opportunities based on merit
  • Six Nations unions to collectively host a guaranteed minimum of six tier two fixtures in each November window
Personally much better than a World League that takes away from the World Cup and doesn't help the Tier 2 nations in any meaningful way on field.
 
We are ****ed without the money. Yet again there is going to be another exodus all our teams lose money. As other nations grow stronger we will struggle to keep up and just fade into obscurity just like the West Indies with cricket
 
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