How does Labor win the next federal election/elections to come?

[Bunk Moreland]

The only way for Labor to win government and then actually govern effectively is to go cap in hand to Rupert Murdoch and Kerry Stokes and ask them what it will take to get their full support.

Is it distasteful? Yep

Is it the only way Labor will win government and then actually be around long enough to implement a proper reform policy? Yep

If you think otherwise, you're absolutely kidding yourself.

The Liberal Party understand this. Labor does not.

 

[random260]

fu** me. Half of the time you are climaxing to Menzies.

Not Menzies. John howard. He's the second longest PM.

Rudd on the other hand. Gillard on the other hand

Paul Keating isn't dead, and the young generation like him because there are many clips of him trolling the Liberals in parliament.

Keating I understand but still half embarrassing. But still Rudd is the messiah.

Paul Keating isn't dead, and the young generation like him because there are many clips of him trolling the Liberals in parliament.

They like Rudd more LOL. So embarrassing.

 

[Number37]

The only way for Labor to win government and then actually govern effectively is to go cap in hand to Rupert Murdoch and Kerry Stokes and ask them what it will take to get their full support.

Is it distasteful? Yep

Is it the only way Labor will win government and then actually be around long enough to implement a proper reform policy? Yep

If you think otherwise, you're absolutely kidding yourself.

The Liberal Party understand this. Labor does not.

I propose an alternative.

Go full troppo on Murdoch.
Publicly tell him to go eat a big bag of dicks.
Call out all the nuffies that lick his arse.
Cut all the $$$ his companies get in federal assistance.
Champion independent news like the ABC/Guardian/MichaelWest etc

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I propose an alternative.

Go full troppo on Murdoch.
Publicly tell him to go eat a big bag of dicks.
Call out all the nuffies that lick his arse.
Cut all the $$$ his companies get in federal assistance.
Champion independent news like the ABC/Guardian/MichaelWest etc

That’s fine if you want to remain in opposition.

 

[Number37]

That’s fine if you want to remain in opposition.

What's he going to do if the entire opposition refuses to appear on/in any of his channels or newspapers?
What's he going to do if, for example, they give MichaelWest media exclusive access to a live debate streamed online?

They could also have a Royal Commission into media as a policy platform...sell it is as a review of the anti-science BS that Murdoch is famous for.
What would he do?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

What's he going to do if the entire opposition refuses to appear on/in any of his channels or newspapers?
What's he going to do if, for example, they give MichaelWest media exclusive access to a live debate streamed online?

They could also have a Royal Commission into media as a policy platform...sell it is as a review of the anti-science BS that Murdoch is famous for.
What would he do?

Ermmm.... totally ignore them except for targeted hit pieces, like he does at the moment.

 

[Number37]

Ermmm.... totally ignore them except for targeted hit pieces, like he does at the moment.

Wouldn't be able to help himself.
Would whine and bitch all day and night if Labor blacklisted him.
In the process he would be giving air to their grievances against him simply because people will start asking questions like why.
As soon as the average punter starts asking questions like why does Murdoch get money from the govt or why Labor is blacklisting Murdoch, Murdoch will have to explain why.
In the process, he would be giving Labor exactly what they want.

Labor can then deflect by posing their own questions, like why does Murdoch think this election is about Labor v Murdoch. Who does Murdoch think he is?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Ermmm.... totally ignore them except for targeted hit pieces, like he does at the moment.

So in other words there's nothing to lose for Labor by doing this.

 

[Belushi Brassiere]

a recent photo of albanese trying to get morrison - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0452684/mediaviewer/rm3490462464/

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Yesterday, Tim Pallas showed Albo exactly what to do

Go after theses bastards and go after them hard

 

[Gough]

Yesterday, Tim Pallas showed Albo exactly what to do

Go after theses bastards and go after them hard

Metaphorically beat Morrison with a baseball bat until he bleeds from every orifice.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

So in other words there's nothing to lose for Labor by doing this.

And nothing to gain, more importantly.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Wouldn't be able to help himself.
Would whine and b*tch all day and night if Labor blacklisted him.
In the process he would be giving air to their grievances against him simply because people will start asking questions like why.
As soon as the average punter starts asking questions like why does Murdoch get money from the govt or why Labor is blacklisting Murdoch, Murdoch will have to explain why.
In the process, he would be giving Labor exactly what they want.

Labor can then deflect by posing their own questions, like why does Murdoch think this election is about Labor v Murdoch. Who does Murdoch think he is?

That’s fine for those of us who go beyond the main media outlets, but most people don’t.

Albanese already battles to have any profile for this very reason.

The approach is to simply ignore anything Labor does and only focus on them for a hit piece. That won’t change.

The current Australian political - media nexus machine is not going to disappear any time soon. It could be done long term, but that’ll take decades.

In the meantime Labor’s only option is to turn that same machine back onto the Liberal Party.

People think the likes of Murdoch and Stokes are just rabid conservatives, I can guarantee you one thing they place above conservatism is their own interests. Labor needs to go to them and get them on board.

It’s distasteful but it gives them a chance to get into stable government and get some of their policies in place. It’s far more palatable than further Coalition rule.

 

[Heisenberg_]

Not Menzies. John howard. He's the second longest PM.

Rudd on the other hand. Gillard on the other hand


Keating I understand but still half embarrassing. But still Rudd is the messiah.



They like Rudd more LOL. So embarrassing.

You know what’s the height of embarrassment?
Actually still believing the ScoMo myth

 

[Johnny Bananas]

And nothing to gain, more importantly.

Sure there is. It brings their supporters towards the media companies who can give them reasonable coverage, which will increase those media companies' revenues and give them a chance of becoming mainstream.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Sure there is. It brings their supporters towards the media companies who can give them reasonable coverage, which will increase those media companies' revenues and give them a chance of becoming mainstream.

Sweet. Hope they opposition for the next 20 years.

Their supporters already vote for them, there’s nothing to be gained.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Their supporters already vote for them, there’s nothing to be gained.

The point, of course, being that giving other media players a profile might win people who are not their supporters to those media, in time becoming their supporters based on what stories they consume.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

The point, of course, being that giving other media players a profile might win people who are not their supporters to those media, in time becoming their supporters based on what stories they consume.

Yeah, it might. That'd be nice. Doubt it's happen in any major way, but it's a nice to have.

Meanwhile this Coalition government will continue to destroy the country, engage in wholesale corruption and drag wealth upward.

If there was an effective alternate to getting in bed with big media then you'd do it. There isn't.

 

[Crankyhawk]

So in other words there's nothing to lose for Labor by doing this.

but also nothing to gain.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

but also nothing to gain.

I addressed this two posts above yours.

 

[Crankyhawk]

I addressed this two posts above yours.

True, guilty of not reading whole thread, I agree with the other poster that those who see Murdoch as slime already vote labor or green so you don’t gain votes by telling the truth

 

[Johnny Bananas]

True, guilty of not reading whole thread, I agree with the other poster that those who see Murdoch as slime already vote labor or green so you don’t gain votes by telling the truth

All of them? What's missing in this analysis is that players other than Murdoch have become pretty hostile to Labor too. Fairfax under Costello have well and truly moved into the Liberal Party camp and even the ABC has had a shift in that direction since Ita Buttrose took over. If it were just Murdoch media that would be one thing, but almost the entire mainstream media is batting for Scummo right now.

 

[iluvparis]

I propose an alternative.

Go full troppo on Murdoch.
Publicly tell him to go eat a big bag of dicks.
Call out all the nuffies that lick his arse.
Cut all the $$$ his companies get in federal assistance.
Champion independent news like the ABC/Guardian/MichaelWest etc

I would vote for a party if they were gutsy enough to have the phrase 'eat a bag of dicks' plastered across all their pre election advertising.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

All of them? What's missing in this analysis is that players other than Murdoch have become pretty hostile to Labor too. Fairfax under Costello have well and truly moved into the Liberal Party camp and even the ABC has had a shift in that direction since Ita Buttrose took over. If it were just Murdoch media that would be one thing, but almost the entire mainstream media is batting for Scummo right now.

It’s not missing - its just that with Costello in charge, it’s pointless chasing Nine.

News and Seven however, they can be bought off and need to be. People can hate it and spew about it all they want - you’re not getting into a stable government without them.

If that’s the price that has to be paid to get rid of by far the most brazenly corrupt, incompetent, harmful, dangerous, criminal, hate-filled federal government in this country’s history then imo, bring it on.

You’ll then need to be in a very stable place in government - probably two terms in - before media ownership can be addressed politically.

 

[NSWCROW]

Metaphorically beat Morrison with a baseball bat until he bleeds from every orifice.

Yep

Worked on Shorten.



Make people physically sick of hearing his name