How does Labor win the next federal election/elections to come?

[Magruder]

Present yourself as a safe option and make the LNP play to their extremist supporters...

Exhibit A

 

[Magruder]

Negative Gearing is a tax quirk that unfairly benefits those with access to capital but it ain't:

1. A primary reason for housing affordability
2. Something that more than 5% of the population actually understand
3. A vote winner

Same goes for Franking Credits. Smart to dump it. Remove the wedge and focus on real issues.

spot on...

can be grandfathered if desired at a fraction of the political cost once actually in office.
can also find something shiny to distract.

 

[Original Moody Blue]

I actually find it quite sad that ALP has to concede on negative gearing, franking credits and the tax cuts as an election strategy to win voters.

I get why, and it might be the most sensible policy platform to lean on purely to get voted in, but is that the state we want our politics to be in? Especially when we have an existing government that is so deplorable, incompetent and blatantly corrupt?

Absolutely agree, but the reality is that they have lost three elections waffling on about issues that most people do not care about. They tried to fight the last election on so many fronts; negative gearing, franking credits and the tax cuts, PLUS renewable energy, and it all went to shite.

The next mistake they are going to make is to push renewable energy, but try and keep QLD & NSW happy by not promising to get rid of coal or gas. QLD is gone, they need to make huge inroads into Victoria and WA.

The Morrison Govt needs to be thrown out on its backside and by a huge margin, but the electorate does not trust the powerful left of the ALP.
Their fear is that if the ALP gets into power they will simply change their policies like Gillard did. The other problem the ALP has is that with a 1.5 trillion debt., the days of big spending are over, unless they finally decide to go after the Corporations and Trusts. If they abolished Trusts they would make a fortune in revenue, but they would have to keep that one under their hat as the LNP would scare the shite out of the electorate. A lot of ALP politicians have made a lot of money thanks to Trusts, so I am not holding, my breath they would ever get rid of them.

Without their big-spending policies, the ALP is unelectable.

 

[Belushi Brassiere]

Julian Burnside was the Greens candidate for Kooyong at the last election. He wants you to believe that the conduct of Israel in its conflict with Hamas and other armed Palestinian groups "looks horribly like" the systematic murder of six million defenceless civilians. That’s a pretty base and disgusting comparison.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

How does Labor win the next election?

By becoming the effing Coalition it would seem.

Labor’s capitulation on tax cuts shows the price it will pay to win power | Greg Jericho

What is the point of a progressive party if not to reduce inequality? This is madness

www.theguardian.com

Just pathetic.
Policy driven by faceless Labor pollsters with no idea.
If Labor thinks it can win by matching policy they will lose part of their base and lose the election.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Just pathetic.
Policy driven by faceless Labor pollsters with no idea.
If Labor thinks it can win by matching policy they will lose part of their base and lose the election.

yeah, because the alternate worked brilliantly last time

 

[Cooldude]

Present yourself as a safe option and make the LNP play to their extremist supporters...

Exhibit A

Why does this guy still gets a public platform after he wanted to put Fauci's head on a pike?

I don't think freedom of speech should apply to thugs and fascists

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

yeah, because the alternate worked brilliantly last time

Labor can't win by being Labor, and it can't win by being not Labor.

The only truly progressive party can't get more than 14% of the primary vote and usually gets around 10%, even though the vast majority of Australians say they want their progressive policies.

Basically Australia is ****ed thanks to its takeover by corporations and the vast majority of the media being their barrackers.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

yeah, because the alternate worked brilliantly last time

They lost because they let the Murdoch press control the narrative.
They need to stand up to Murdoch instead of cowering and matching bad policy.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

They lost because they let the Murdoch press control the narrative.
They need to stand up to Murdoch instead of cowering and matching bad policy.

and thats not going to change now Nine is lock step with the libs.

you have to get into govt to change anything, and you have to do whats needed to do that. tilting at windmills keeps you in opposition forever

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

The Greens are the loons, always put them last on the ballot paper.

Labor should distance themselves from them as much as possible.

So which Greens policies are loony?
Climate? Addressing wealth inequality? Tax reform? Addressing poverty?
You are voting against your own interests for some reason unless you're a billionaire or have investments in coal.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

and thats not going to change now Nine is lock step with the libs.

you have to get into govt to change anything, and you have to do whats needed to do that. tilting at windmills keeps you in opposition forever

Disagree. You need vision and a direction. All of the voters aren't completely stupid
All they're doing is hiding in a corner hoping for the gov to make more mistakes.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Disagree. You need vision and a direction. All of the voters aren't completely stupid
All they're doing is hiding in a corner hoping for the gov to make more mistakes.

they dont rate as important what you do. and yelling at them "you are wrong" wont change their mind

people want jobs and lower taxes, which is why the libs have been in govt pretty much most of the time over the past 25 years

lecturing from your ivory tower is doomed to failure, just as it did last election

the ALP has to pander, get govt, and then do necessary reforms

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

they dont rate as important what you do. and yelling at them "you are wrong" wont change their mind

people want jobs and lower taxes, which is why the libs have been in govt pretty much most of the time over the past 25 years

lecturing from your ivory tower is doomed to failure, just as it did last election

the ALP has to pander, get govt, and then do necessary reforms

Ivory Tower? Having good basic policy is not an Ivory Tower.
They could easily sell a renewables revolution on economics alone.
Let's see what happens.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Ivory Tower? Having good basic policy is not an Ivory Tower.
They could easily sell a renewables revolution on economics alone.
Let's see what happens.

tried that last election - and the ALP were taking away the Australian ute and a weekend in the bush

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

tried that last election - and the ALP were taking away the Australian ute and a weekend in the bush

Which is policy that can be easily attacked.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Which is policy that can be easily attacked.

it noone cared, because "they're killing the aussie ute" resonated more

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

it noone cared, because "they're killing the aussie ute" resonated more

If they can't beat Michalea Cash's ute policy they don't deserve to be in power.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

If they can't beat Michalea Cash's ute policy they don't deserve to be in power.

and thats the friggin point - they lost because of it

we wont get back into govt fighting against the tide, so why do it?

 

[Belushi Brassiere]

The Greens are the inner urban, uni educated multicultural elite. They are neither average Australians nor ordinary people.

 

[Gough]

The Greens are the inner urban, uni educated multicultural elite. They are neither average Australians nor ordinary people.

I like the way uni educated has become pejorative for people like you.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Liberals hold Higgins 54-46 margin and that included a 6% swing against the LNP in the seat at the last election. This seat will become marginal at the 2025 election, but the LNP will hang on.

Yes, I too can make up fantasy projections based on figures that popped into my head.

In a centre-right nation like Australia, Labor can only be a centre-left party to get anywhere

But they're not a centre-left party anymore. They embraced the Liberal agenda and are now a centre-right party, or centrist at best.

Greens will never have more than a few seats in the lower house and a dozen in the upper house

Be careful about that word "never", because it represents an awfully long time, about which we know very little. I'm not saying it's likely, but it isn't impossible. In countries like France and Italy, we've seen traditionally centre-left parties collapse and be replaced by upstarts.

Medicare, workers rights, tougher on climate change and now the ICAC. Off the top of my head

How can you say Labor are tougher on climate change in any real way when Albo has abandoned setting any emissions target, and the party is approving new coal mines?

 

[Number37]

The Greens are the inner urban, uni educated multicultural elite. They are neither average Australians nor ordinary people.

The majority of the population identifies with at least some of their policies.
They are as ordinary as any other ordinary person.

Greens are the bogeyman is a trope that only dimwits fall for.

 

[Kram]

Thing is any imbecile can get a useless uni degree these days.

 

[Belushi Brassiere]

I need hardly point out that the centre is where the voters are. Ten percent of voters are the ones who identify as left in any meaningful sense.