How does Labor win the next federal election/elections to come?

[Kwality]

Hi Joel.
Given the current standard of political performance the pub test is all you secretive fu**s are corrupt and on the take and therefore guilt is reasonable to presume.

Sure beats reasoned thinking to debunk those views. Joel is in the Reps thanks to the mining community sticking with him, unlike others that punished Labor for its anti worker stance when it came to winning votes in the inner cities.

'Labor MP Joel Fitzgibbon has lashed out at senior party frontbencher Mark Dreyfus, accusing the QC of being “born to privilege” but “completely without common sense”.
The Hunter MP delivered the character assassination on Labor’s legal affairs spokesman as he defended his criticism of the NSW Independent Commission Against Corruption.

Mr Dreyfus condemned Mr Fitzgibbon on Wednesday for saying ICAC was akin to a kangaroo court. “The use of that phrase kangaroo court shows in itself a misunderstanding of what these anti-corruption commissions do,” Mr Dreyfus told the ABC on Wednesday.'

..saying Mr Dreyfus was “born to privilege, educated at wealthy schools, and now highly qualified, but completely without common sense”.

“And the point Mark Dreyfus was making was a moot point,” Mr Fitzgibbon told 2GB radio. “ … the point is that while it (ICAC) can’t itself send people to jail, it can destroy lives and has destroyed lives, without the important parameters that courts work within … and in ICAC, it seems, once you’re referred, it’s guilty until proven innocent.” *


Fitzg must read BF, guilty until proven innocent is a deeply held belief.

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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/no-common-sense-joel-fitzgibbon-lashes-mark-dreyfus/news-story/b208d54cb02f7694b9ca4da880689d9e

 

[Crankyhawk]

Sure beats reasoned thinking to debunk those views. Joel is in the Reps thanks to the mining community sticking with him, unlike others that punished Labor for its anti worker stance when it came to winning votes in the inner cities.

'Labor MP Joel Fitzgibbon has lashed out at senior party frontbencher Mark Dreyfus, accusing the QC of being “born to privilege” but “completely without common sense”.
The Hunter MP delivered the character assassination on Labor’s legal affairs spokesman as he defended his criticism of the NSW Independent Commission Against Corruption.

Mr Dreyfus condemned Mr Fitzgibbon on Wednesday for saying ICAC was akin to a kangaroo court. “The use of that phrase kangaroo court shows in itself a misunderstanding of what these anti-corruption commissions do,” Mr Dreyfus told the ABC on Wednesday.'

..saying Mr Dreyfus was “born to privilege, educated at wealthy schools, and now highly qualified, but completely without common sense”.

“And the point Mark Dreyfus was making was a moot point,” Mr Fitzgibbon told 2GB radio. “ … the point is that while it (ICAC) can’t itself send people to jail, it can destroy lives and has destroyed lives, without the important parameters that courts work within … and in ICAC, it seems, once you’re referred, it’s guilty until proven innocent.” *


Fitzg must read BF, guilty until proven innocent is a deeply held belief.

*

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/no-common-sense-joel-fitzgibbon-lashes-mark-dreyfus/news-story/b208d54cb02f7694b9ca4da880689d9e

I don’t pretend to be better than the average campaigner unlike politicians who act like their s**t don’t stink and have no accountability

 

[Kwality]

I don’t pretend to be better than the average campaigner unlike politicians who act like their sh*t don’t stink and have no accountability

As far as ICAC goes I agree with Joel.

IBAC is less transparent but does not see the innocent required to prove their innocence.

Check out the Cunneen if you have any doubts. Its not political so enthusiasts are not required to use only one eye.

ICAC v Cunneen: implications for corruption watchdogs - Knowledge - Clayton Utz

The decision in Cunneen got a lot of press, but what are its key aspects and its likely impact? Eleanor Dickens and Bill Lane investigate…

www.claytonutz.com

 

[NSWCROW]

Everytime Albo mentions an icac, he needs to add WITH TEETH everytime.


Flood the news cycle with it, get the news repeating it.

 

[Kwality]

Everytime Albo mentions an icac, he needs to add WITH TEETH everytime.


Flood the news cycle with it, get the news repeating it.

IF dinkum & I believe he is, the failures of the NSW model need to addressed.
The Vic version IBAC is likely to get a good run before the 2022 election, so it might be closer to mark for the Feds.

Bouncing it around as a talking point wont convince anyone who is not already committed.

 

[Kwality]

Covid aside, I am trying to recall on Socialist/leftist Govt that has actually managed to reduce debt.
Labor QLD have taken the State's debt from virtually zero to 150bn.
Labor Victoria have taken the State's debt from zero to 60bn (pre Covid). 18 of the last 21 years have been labor in Victoria.
Labor SA & Tas just kept increasing under Labor & Greens.

John Howard cleared Australia's debt, put 20bn in the bank account and set up the Future Fund which is now worth 175bn. Unfortunately Costello the moron also sold off 66% of Australia's Gold reserves @ $450 per ounce for a return of 2.4 billion.

The problem with modern-day Socialism is that they believe it is the Govt's responsibility to do everything for people. This is where they lose me.
Have a decent free education & Health system. Make sure the economy is running properly and that they are helping business operate efficiently, but hold them accountable and make them pay their fair share of tax. Strong regulators who will enforce the rules along with a corruption commission. Directors found guilty of Phoenixing companies will be automatically jailed for a minimum of 6 months.

Get rid of middle class welfare and look after the poor and homeless and give them a chance to retrain and get back on the train. Welfare payments should be reviewed every 5 years. Keep Govt lean and not blow out the public service which ends up costing us a fortune. All Federal Public servants to receive the same Super allowances as their State colleagues, not 15.5% as it currently stands. Sell off Australia Post, The majority of the ABC & all of SBS. That will get rid of 50,000 jobs off the public payroll.

For middle class welfare check out the attempts of both sides of politics looking to out do each other with child care subsidy:

Cheaper childcare is coming earlier than expected. But not everyone will be eligible

Changes making childcare cheaper are being brought forward to March so that families can access the support earlier — a plan that will cost the government $1.7 billion over three years — but what does it all mean for your family?

www.abc.net.au

'Currently, if your family's combined income is less than $69,390 you receive 85 per cent of your childcare costs back, with no cap.

The more you earn, the more that subsidy decreases.

If you pocket between about $189,390 and $353,680, the amount of money you can claim back stops at $10,560 per child.'

The Government has changes coming through in December 2021, i.e before the next election.
To be eligible, you need two or more children aged five years and under in care, at the same time, and need to have a household income of less than $353,680 a year.
About 250,000 Australian families fit the criteria and, on average, they will be more than $2,200 a year better off.

It means a family earning $110,000 a year with two kids in care four days a week will be better off by around $100 each week, and Education Minister Alan Tudge said the changes would encourage more parents to work.

The increased subsidy comes into effect on March 7, 2022, four months earlier than first flagged — and in time for the next federal election, which must be held by May 21.

WHAT PRICE LABOR?

Under its plan, subsidies would be lifted basically across the board, and paid to families with much higher incomes, lifting the threshold from $354,305 to $530,000.

"The choice between the Liberals' dud policy, which only provides relief to 25 per cent of families, or Labor's policy that delivers relief to 97 per cent of families.
"Up until election day, we will be highlighting the difference."

IT should attract the middle class voters.


For the critics of the Howard Government I point out the difference of those times - we could afford it . ALL of the many Governments we've had since Howard, none have been able to afford it & none have faced up to it.
I support subsidised child care but only for working familys' NOT for Mums who want a break from their kids & not for family's with $500k incomes.

 

[Kwality]

Doubt anyone in this thread gives two shits for Israel/ Palestine.

Albo rolled the anti Israel forces at the NSW State Conference today (Sun). Same result on border protection.

Both a plus in electoral terms for the ALP.

 

[Mateyman]

As far as ICAC goes I agree with Joel.

IBAC is less transparent but does not see the innocent required to prove their innocence.

Check out the Cunneen if you have any doubts. Its not political so enthusiasts are not required to use only one eye.

ICAC v Cunneen: implications for corruption watchdogs - Knowledge - Clayton Utz

The decision in Cunneen got a lot of press, but what are its key aspects and its likely impact? Eleanor Dickens and Bill Lane investigate…

www.claytonutz.com

I'm sorry where's the bit in the link where they assume guilt and ask the person to prove innocence?

 

[Kwality]

I'm sorry where's the bit in the link where they assume guilt and ask the person to prove innocence?

My mistake , sorry for putting you through that read.
Try this from Wiki, easier to get than the right quote:
ICAC investigation
Following a serious car accident involving the girlfriend of one of her sons, it was alleged by an anonymous complainant that Cunneen, her son (Stephen Wyllie), and his injured girlfriend (Sophia Tilley) attempted to influence the outcome of police inquiries into the accident by attempting to pervert the course of justice.[11] Cunneen rejected the claims against her. Cunneen was accused of advising Sophia Tilley to fake chest pains to avoid a breath test after the car accident.[12]

The Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC) announced on 29 October 2014 that it would begin investigations into her alleged actions.[13] Independent witnesses at the scene vouched that Tilley was being treated in the ambulance before the police, and later Cunneen, arrived. Tilley, who was not the at-fault driver,[citation needed] was blood-tested at hospital and recorded 0.00.[citation needed][14] Cunneen submitted that the failure of ICAC to clearly illustrate the reasons for their decision to investigate Cunneen's alleged conduct was to commission an investigation, thereby acting beyond their powers.[15] Cunneen successfully appealed to the New South Wales Court of Appeal,[16] and ICAC was granted leave for the matter to be heard before the High Court of Australia.

On 15 April 2015 the High Court found that ICAC had exceeded its authority based on its misinterpretation of "corrupt conduct" in the ICAC Act. The Court ruled that Cunneen's alleged conduct, had it occurred, might have affected an official's choice of action, but would not have affected the official's probity in making that choice. The High Court also held that the alleged conduct could not have amounted to corruption.[17] The Court accepted that the alleged conduct of Cunneen, had it occurred, would have been in a private and not an official capacity, and also found that the alleged conduct could not have amounted to corruption.[18][19] ICAC was ordered to pay costs.[14]

On 27 May 2015, ICAC referred the allegations against Cunneen, Wyllie and Tilley to the New South Wales Director of Public Prosecutions. The DPP referred the matter to the Attorney General, who referred it to the Solicitor General. The Solicitor General, after obtaining advice from senior counsel in another state in view of Cunneen's prominence in the NSW legal profession, determined that there was no evidence whatever warranting the prosecution of any of them for any offence.[20][21] Following this decision, Cunneen criticised ICAC's powers as "extraordinarily draconian".[22]

 

[Belushi Brassiere]

thats ok.

 

[HairyO]

I think if they can stack ballots as well as they can stack branches they should romp it in.

 

[Gough]

This photo should do it, particularly in light of all the crap we're being fed about the government's cred on climate change. Fun fact, Greg Hunt wrote his honours thesis on the need for carbon pricing.

 

[sherb]

This photo should do it, particularly in light of all the crap we're being fed about the government's cred on climate change. Fun fact, Greg Hunt wrote his honours thesis on the need for carbon pricing.
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This one too.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Some cause for cautious optimism but also a few home truths.

Can Labor win the election?

This time next year Australia will be well into the Albanese government’s first term or the Morrison government’s third. If you had to bet your house on it now, which would you predict? The atmosphere is eerily reminiscent of the run-up to the previous federal election. The rational brains of...

www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au

 

[Belushi Brassiere]

The Greens once again prove how unhinged they are, now advocating environmental personhood, thus giving the Coalition an easy campaign theme of “the Labor-Greens coalition government will give your house the same rights as you. It will be against the law to wee in your own toilet!”

Media Releases | Federal MPs | Australian Greens

greensmps.org.au

 

[Seeds]

Albanese looks home at this point. Not making the mistakes of shorten yet and morrison keeps stuffing up covid.

 

[QuietB]

Albanese looks home at this point. Not making the mistakes of shorten yet and morrison keeps stuffing up covid.

Morrison stuffs up everything. He has just wedged the s**t out of himself on climate.

I have no idea what Morrison is going to sell at the next election.

Albo saying at least we are competent should be enough and Morrison cannot attack that.

 

[Mateyman]

Morrison stuffs up everything. He has just wedged the sh*t out of himself on climate.

I have no idea what Morrison is going to sell at the next election.

Albo saying at least we are competent should be enough and Morrison cannot attack that.

I think this will work out ok for him. I can see it now.

Nationals cave in because, let's face it, net zero by 2050 is inevitable. It's not going to tenable for a developed country to try to opt out of that over the next few years. Everybody knows that. So the Nationals will extract as much as they can from the Libs then cave. We'll all have to pay for some half baked scheme involving billions of dollars for fossil fuel companies in exchange for another good PR stunt from the PM for announcements.

Scomo will go to Glasgow and make a half baked pledge, ideally (for Scotty) involving unrealistic emissions cuts well into the future to avoid doing things now. We may or may not get away with this but either way it will be completely disregarded as soon as the announcement is made. Scotty can even freeride on existing state based commitments which get him to a 42% reduction by 2030 with no extra work (think: pandemic strategy). If he's really lucky he can blame WA/Queensland as Labor states for not doing their fair share and turn it into another shitfight about the Premiers to hide his own ineptitude.

This will then be reported in the media as a great triumph, with Scotty bravely bringing the Nationals into line. Another diplomatic success for our great Centrist Overlord. The usual simpletons will lap it up and presumably try to take credit for it as though it is some sort of achievement (see: gay marriage). Entirely predictable.

 

[NSWCROW]

Some cause for cautious optimism but also a few home truths.

Can Labor win the election?

This time next year Australia will be well into the Albanese government’s first term or the Morrison government’s third. If you had to bet your house on it now, which would you predict? The atmosphere is eerily reminiscent of the run-up to the previous federal election. The rational brains of...

www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au

paywalled

 

[QuietB]

I think this will work out ok for him. I can see it now.

Nationals cave in because, let's face it, net zero by 2050 is inevitable. It's not going to tenable for a developed country to try to opt out of that over the next few years. Everybody knows that. So the Nationals will extract as much as they can from the Libs then cave. We'll all have to pay for some half baked scheme involving billions of dollars for fossil fuel companies in exchange for another good PR stunt from the PM for announcements.

Scomo will go to Glasgow and make a half baked pledge, ideally (for Scotty) involving unrealistic emissions cuts well into the future to avoid doing things now. We may or may not get away with this but either way it will be completely disregarded as soon as the announcement is made. Scotty can even freeride on existing state based commitments which get him to a 42% reduction by 2030 with no extra work (think: pandemic strategy). If he's really lucky he can blame WA/Queensland as Labor states for not doing their fair share and turn it into another shitfight about the Premiers to hide his own ineptitude.

This will then be reported in the media as a great triumph, with Scotty bravely bringing the Nationals into line. Another diplomatic success for our great Centrist Overlord. The usual simpletons will lap it up and presumably try to take credit for it as though it is some sort of achievement (see: gay marriage). Entirely predictable.

I’m not so sure. At some point this needs legislation and Nationals will cross the floor IMO. Morrison and Murdoch will persist with the smoke and mirrors charade but when push comes to shove net zero will not get approved.

 

[FredLeDeux]

I’m not so sure. At some point this needs legislation and Nationals will cross the floor IMO. Morrison and Murdoch will persist with the smoke and mirrors charade but when push comes to shove net zero will not get approved.

Depends what the deal is with the Country Party; if that's the only part which needs legislation, then he'll be OK

 

[Carringbush2010]

Practical progressive policy - not just progressive .

Need to find / create palatable policy on:

• Energy transition from fossil fuels
• Wage and job security
• Housing affordability
• Corporate taxation (or lack thereof)
• Individual taxation rates (or too highly taxed)
• The China situation and foreign relations in general
• Integrity bodies - with real teeth, not some wet lettuce threat
• Covid

I'm sure there are ways to achieve palatable outcomes on these issues that seem to be front of discussion and will have impact on the electorate going forward. If they can appease the majority of the electorate with practical progressive policy then they'll get in.

And frankly with the current mob in power it really should be a walk in the park.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

paywalled

Can't help you mate! Buy a subscription. Great paper.

 

[Belushi Brassiere]

looks like the WA government is pulling a Yes Minister with Cleo as their lost dog on Salisbury Plain…

 

[Gigantic]

Photo op gone bad.




Same guy Abbott was criticised for

Abbott, Liberal figures at event with Chinese Communist Party links

The former prime minister and other Liberal figures were at a function attended by Beijing's highest ranking United Front affiliates in Australia.

www.smh.com.au

And same group Dastyari got in bed with.