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Politics How does the left get its political mojo back and win power?
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Opinion | Hillary Clinton’s 2024 Election Comeback
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have become unpopular. It may be time for a change candidate.
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Apparently Hillary is the change candidate. At least she wont sleep thru the presidency i guess.
"A perfect storm in the Democratic Party is making a once-unfathomable scenario plausible: a political comeback for Hillary Clinton in 2024.
Several circumstances—President Biden’s low approval rating, doubts over his capacity to run for re-election, Vice President Kamala Harris’s unpopularity, and the absence of another strong Democrat to lead the ticket in 2024—have created a leadership vacuum in the party, which Mrs. Clinton viably could fill."
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Wall st Journal
Opinion | Hillary Clinton’s 2024 Election Comeback
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have become unpopular. It may be time for a change candidate.
Apparently Hillary is the change candidate. At least she wont sleep thru the presidency i guess.
"A perfect storm in the Democratic Party is making a once-unfathomable scenario plausible: a political comeback for Hillary Clinton in 2024.
Several circumstances—President Biden’s low approval rating, doubts over his capacity to run for re-election, Vice President Kamala Harris’s unpopularity, and the absence of another strong Democrat to lead the ticket in 2024—have created a leadership vacuum in the party, which Mrs. Clinton viably could fill."
That’s one article from a fake dem who’s worked for fox and news max.
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If the left want their mojo back as the thread title suggests, they need to listen to Kyle and Marianne Williamson who was on FOX news.
Perhaps Marianne Williamson should be the democrats next candidate. I'm sure the powers to be who control the democrats and the republicans, will never allow her to get far though.
Perhaps Marianne Williamson should be the democrats next candidate. I'm sure the powers to be who control the democrats and the republicans, will never allow her to get far though.
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universal healthcare, free college, slavery reparations, the green new deal and open borders.
Ah yes, the Wall St Journal. Definitely Democrat media, as it's owned by the well-known Democrat...
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Rupert Murdoch.
Portugal's Socialist Party just won re-election. In fact, they're the first party to form a majority government in Portugal since 2005. Have the left got their mojo back yet?
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After the disasters of populists globally (Trump, BoJo, Bolsonaro) there will be a short term swing away from them.
After the next cycle there may well be a more 'sensible' wave of right-wing leadership that probably mirrors some of the more centre-right leaders of the 90s
I'd like to believe that, I really would, but I can't.
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Way too left for the US. The idea that people can access healthcare without going in to absolute poverty upsets a lot of people.
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There is polarization though, the far right party got the biggest swing in the election, although small in absolute numbers (from 1 to 12 seats), it wasn't insignificant.
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One other note, it was the far left parties that got obliterated, which indicates a move rightwards to some degree or at least a moderation towards the center.
I'm happy for the far right to carve out their share of the electorate, provided the left wins government.
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There's certainly a bit of hope on my part in that statement.Ummm...........
I can't see how the deification of ignorance (beginning with Dubya, and continuing through the Palin/Trump/BoJo years) is sustainable in the long term.
Since when has fringe been 'sensibly centred' (right or left)?
Drawing on false hope there bruh.
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It depends. Were the leaders the cause of their parties losing the plot, or did the parties choose their leaders because they'd lost the plot?
I do not think American republicanism can go back to what it was.
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Given the current political divide I think the country will balkanise into Republican and Democrat dominates states, causing a devolution back to strong individual state identities with local power structures that have little Federal influence which looks more like pre-federation (or a federation that was originally setup up but devolved into the centralised mess they have now).
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I genuinely think they are a few bad leaders in the wrong place at the right time away from a full blown civil war.
But then, I think we were a bad month away from the dissolution of the Australian federation a good 12-18 months ago (think, when Morrison and co were agitating for McGowan to open the borders, with Clive Palmer trying to force it legally. Things go differently - McGowan says no, Dutton pushes Morrison into sending in the ADF to 'protect business interests and the freedom of the Australian people' and forcibly opens the borders, WA petitions the high court to leave the federation - and we're off to the races) so I could just be a bit weird.
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WA have been in succession limbo for decades, the state parochialism is quite evident (I am a native btw). The hard borders have entrenched many further into that mentality.
In regards to the US, the problem is there are no clear boundaries between potential belligerents (unlike the first civil war). You would have neighbor against neighbor. You could however loosely delineate between city (very progressive) and country (very conservative) but unfortunately for the city folk, the country people have most of the guns. Now what would happen to the US military? maybe they fracture but without the immense support of the state it falls apart quickly (highly complex war machine, long supply tails). I don't think there will be a civil war, balkanization and entrenchment into state identities is most likely given its trajectory (people are already moving to their ideological state in significant numbers)
As it was shown in the US all you need is a malarkey factory to take on the deathstar.
It's because there's too much money to be made by treating politics as entertainment, so those types of leaders are inevitably put forward by the parties as they will generate the most 'buzz'.
Our media are set up to monetise divisive issues and gaffe-prone candidates (Boris, Trump etc.). More clicks, more tribal reactions from their supporters v haters. 'Divide the community, multiply the ratings' as the Frontline boys put it back in the day (and that was pre-social media which has only amplified things).
I'm sure if we went back and watched one of the old Kim Beazley v John Howard debates now it would seem almost unbearably quaint and polite.
Do we need a thread asking how does the right gets its political mojo back and win power?
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Aren't the Democrats and ALP both centre right parties?
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It's the answer to the thread: in order for the left to win power, they have to if not full on become right wing at least affect the pretense of doing so.
