How good is having punts

[Bostonian]

Who are all these ****n simpletons that see a gambling ad and decide they must punt immediately. If anything excessive advertising makes me boycott a ****n product or service

I'm the same.

I won't buy Sakata crackers because they kept playing that stupid song of theirs
constantly at the games.

 

[Bostonian]

But lots of things increase that interest (advertising being the main one).

And like you said - people used to have to get on a bus and travel to NSW to play the pokies, now they walk 100m to their local. You can bet with the thing inside your pocket instead of having to go to the TAB.

The fact you were putting on bets at 14 at the TAB suggests you might not have the most objective view on this topic.

People could still bet from home back then.

I remember placing phone bets in the 90s.

It says I have an experienced view on this.

The people who never bet are the least objective people out there.

 

[Bostonian]

Of course they can't bet, but normalising it in the coverage of sport means they easily become adult punters. That's the idea. As a parent today, it is not possible to stop the advertising reaching your children unless you take them off the grid.

Parenting about gambling would be easier if the Sportsbet button wasn't switched on by default when clicking on the AFL ladder, for example. There is an element of personal responsibility, I get that, but it doesn't mean we have it unregulated. Sometimes the government should step in.

Educating a kid about gambling can start any time a parent wants.

Just because they see an ad does not mean they understand it or have any interest in it.

Females are a perfect example of that. They have far less interest than males when it comes to gambling.

That's where the parenting comes into it.

Having it out in the open is better than dealing with it when you have no idea it's being show to a kid.

If you ban it from certain places they will just turn up somewhere you don't know about and then the parent can't address it.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

People could still bet from home back then.

I remember placing phone bets in the 90s.

It says I have an experienced view on this.

The people who never bet are the least objective people out there.

Yes people could still bet from home via phone bets. I remember my grandma betting every day with phone bets and also when she got angry when the minimum bet was raisdd from 50c to $1.

The main issue here how easy it is to bet now. The convencience and access of betting has increased dramatically.
The advertising is also very effective at making it socially acceptable to entry level gamblers. This also means people are actually making use of that convenience.

It's so normalised that regular gamblers can't even see how much damage is being done here, and how much effect advertising has had on the general acceptance and volume of betting (and problem gambling) that happens.

 

[Elixuh]

The dweebs thinking you can't race a horse without ever backing it.

The narrative of I have had struggles with gambling but am happy to engage in the betting industry and try and make money off of gamblers is the interesting bit.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Educating a kid about gambling can start any time a parent wants.

Just because they see an ad does not mean they understand it or have any interest in it.

Females are a perfect example of that. They have far less interest than males when it comes to gambling.

That's where the parenting comes into it.

Having it out in the open is better than dealing with it when you have no idea it's being show to a kid.

If you ban it from certain places they will just turn up somewhere you don't know about and then the parent can't address it.

Eveyr bit of data shows that reducing regulation, increasing access and advertising increases the amount of gambling that takes place.

The reason gambling advertising is so prevelant is because it works. The gambling companies know it's effective and push back strongly on any efforts to regulate the advertising.

 

[Bostonian]

Eveyr bit of data shows that reducing regulation, increasing access and advertising increases the amount of gambling that takes place.

The reason gambling advertising is so prevelant is because it works. The gambling companies know it's effective and push back strongly on any efforts to regulate the advertising.

Every gambling ad I see these days ends with a you're about to lose your money blurb at the end.

So if the advertising works then aren't they now providing the education on the likely outcome?

 

[Leather Poisoning]

Every gambling ad I see these days ends with a you're about to lose your money blurb at the end.

So if the advertising works then aren't they now providing the education on the likely outcome?

Are you being dliberately dense here?

If the advertising reduced problem gambling then they gambling companies wouldn't be spending money on the ads.

Even if the 'education' in the last 3 seconds of the ad does anything at all, the advertising spend is still overall net benefit to the gambling companies, otherwise they wouldn't be spending billions on it.

 

[HairyO]

People could still bet from home back then.

I remember placing phone bets in the 90s.

It says I have an experienced view on this.

The people who never bet are the least objective people out there.

Yeah, those 7 leg multis across 5 different sports around the world were pretty easy to do via the phone 30 years ago...

And getting access to the latest odds was as simple as clicking refresh on your... oh.

 

[Bostonian]

Yeah, those 7 leg multis across 5 different sports around the world were pretty easy to do via the phone 30 years ago...

And getting access to the latest odds was as simple as clicking refresh on your... oh.

You must be young.

Obviously don't remember people could take multiple leg bets on the soccer for a long long time in Australia.

It was called the Pools. Was around in the 1940s at least until 2018.

 

[Bostonian]

Are you being dliberately dense here?

If the advertising reduced problem gambling then they gambling companies wouldn't be spending money on the ads.

Even if the 'education' in the last 3 seconds of the ad does anything at all, the advertising spend is still overall net benefit to the gambling companies, otherwise they wouldn't be spending billions on it.

Every company many spends money on advertising.

Why would they be any different?

 

[iameviljez]

Every gambling ad I see these days ends with a you're about to lose your money blurb at the end.

So if the advertising works then aren't they now providing the education on the likely outcome?

That little tagline at the end isn't worth shit. It's a tiny fig leaf throwaway after 45 seconds of Mick Molloy-style weeeey heyyyyyy shouting at you to punt with mates, with popping colours and blaring music gambleresponsibly

Even the tagline itself is meaningless. I mean, "gamble responsibly" literally tells you to gamble. It's as useless as saying "drink wise".

 

[iameviljez]

Obviously don't remember people could take multiple leg bets on the soccer for a long long time in Australia.

It was called the Pools. Was around in the 1940s at least until 2018.

Yeah, and you couldn't just access it via an app carried around in your pocket literally everywhere you went

 

[Bostonian]

That little tagline at the end isn't worth shit. It's a tiny fig leaf throwaway after 45 seconds of Mick Molloy-style weeeey heyyyyyy shouting at you to punt with mates, with popping colours and blaring music gambleresponsibly

Even the tagline itself is meaningless. I mean, "gamble responsibly" literally tells you to gamble. It's as useless as saying "drink wise".

None of it is worth shit.

What's wrong with gambling responsibly btw?

Or do you want the message to be "nobody should ever gamble ever"?

 

[Forward Press]

You must be young.

Obviously don't remember people could take multiple leg bets on the soccer for a long long time in Australia.

It was called the Pools. Was around in the 1940s at least until 2018.

In which you had to go to the newsagent, buy the ticket, then return the next week to see if you won. And there were no other sports you can bet on with a similar lottery.

As others have echoed, I think you're being obtuse. Advertising works, gambling is more pervasive and easier than ever, what's to argue?

 

[Bostonian]

Yeah, and you couldn't just access it via an app carried around in your pocket literally everywhere you went

And?

You could grab 100 betting sheets and take them home and go mad on combinations for says.

 

[Bostonian]

In which you had to go to the newsagent, buy the ticket, then return the next week to see if you won. And there were no other sports you can bet on with a similar lottery.

As others have echoed, I think you're being dense.

Not dense.

All I'm seeing is people complaining because parents don't do their job so someone else has to ban something instead as the solution.

Don't like it, don't click on ads or watch them.

Isn't that how we deal with every other ad?

 

[Forward Press]

Not dense.

All I'm seeing is people complaining because parents don't do their job so someone else has to ban something instead as the solution.

Don't like it, don't click on ads or watch them.

Isn't that how we deal with every other ad?

Are you taking the libertarian approach of allowing anyone to advertise what they want? Don't like it, don't watch it?

If that's your philosophy then nothing we say will convince you otherwise and these are absolutely pointless keyboard strokes.

 

[Bostonian]

Are you taking the libertarian approach of allowing anyone to advertise what they want? Don't like it, don't watch it?

If that's your philosophy then nothing we say will convince you otherwise and these are absolutely pointless keyboard strokes.

Plenty of guidelines and laws when it comes to advertising, so if a company isn't breaking any then the ads have passed what's required.

 

[iameviljez]

And?

You could grab 100 betting sheets and take them home and go mad on combinations for says.

That's not as easy to access and you know it.

 

[Forward Press]

Plenty of guidelines and laws when it comes to advertising, so if a company isn't breaking any then the ads have passed what's required.

Once upon a time it was perfectly legal to advertise cigarettes in kid's shows...

This is what you see when you want to check the ladder in AFL-W today. You can click on those blue boxes to take you to the Sportsbet website. It is enabled by default - you have to click the Settings button to turn it off.



Personally I think it's something the AFL shouldn't do, but again too much money involved.

 

[Pistol Night]

Not dense.

All I'm seeing is people complaining because parents don't do their job so someone else has to ban something instead as the solution.

Don't like it, don't click on ads or watch them.

Isn't that how we deal with every other ad?

**** yeah it is. I rage click the remote when any ad appears on TV

 

[Pistol Night]

Once upon a time it was perfectly legal to advertise cigarettes in kid's shows...

This is what you see when you want to check the ladder in AFL-W today. You can click on those blue boxes to take you to the Sportsbet website.

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Personally I think it's something the AFL shouldn't do, but again too much money involved.

Sneaky brag that the Eagles are finally back in a top 8

 

[iameviljez]

None of it is worth shit.

What's wrong with gambling responsibly btw?

Or do you want the message to be "nobody should ever gamble ever"?

Honestly, I don't think there should be a mandated message like that. It just allows organisations to look like they're doing something that they aren't.

But I do believe that there should be far stronger restrictions on advertising on gambling, full stop - this shit is addictive and it rips families to pieces.

 

[iameviljez]

Personally I think it's something the AFL shouldn't do, but again too much money involved.

Oh but they'll do a themed round for mental health.