How good will.....

[Eago77]

More likely to be finishing in the bottom half of the top eight than the top half of it IMO.

 

[Pornstar]

Originally posted by The Spornstar
Just because you are runners up this year, it doens't guarantee anything in future years.

Exactly, in fact recent history is against them. The only team to lose a GF and then make it back again the next year over the past decade was Geelong in 94-95.

They've peaked, but their supporters think they will casually take the next step in 2003 as though it is a mere formality. It will make for funny times.

 

[Rohan_]

Originally posted by Pornstar
The only team to lose a GF and then make it back again the next year over the past decade was Geelong in 94-95.

What about the Kangaroos in 98/99?

 

[Pornstar]

Ok, 2.

 

[FIGJAM]

Originally posted by Rohan_
Write us off, we like being written off at Collingwood. A big reason why we went well this year.

No, no, no Rohan...it was because the teams we played "didn't play at their best".

Brisbane didn't "play at their best" in the Grannie which is why we got so close. Same when we beat them in the H & A rounds.

Adelaide didn't "play at their best" in the Prelim.

Port didn't "play at their best" in the first final.

Essendon didn't "play smart wet weather footy" on ANZAC Day.

There's a pattern emerging here, isn't there?????

 

[Rohan_]

Originally posted by FIGJAM

No, no, no Rohan...it was because the teams we played "didn't play at their best".

Ok...Now I get it JTP, season 2002 for Collingwood was not about how well Collingwood did, it was about how bad our opposition went. JTP I apologise on behalf of all Collingwood fans for wrongly giving Collingwood credit for the victories they enjoyed.

 

[The Spornstar]

Originally posted by Rohan_


Ok...Now I get it JTP, season 2002 for Collingwood was not about how well Collingwood did, it was about how bad our opposition went. JTP I apologise on behalf of all Collingwood fans for wrongly giving Collingwood credit for the victories they enjoyed.

You guys keep giving yourselves pats on the back. Keep dancing away to the club song at your best and fairest. It's a good sign.

 

[Rohan_]

Originally posted by The Spornstar


Keep dancing away to the club song at your best and fairest. It's a good sign.

You were singing your club song at the Best and Fairest in a year in which you won a wooden spoon.

 

[Lockyer24]

2003 will be seen as the year in our development where we stabilize our position amongst the elite teams in the competition.

There is no doubt we still need to improve to maintain our position however I feel this won't be an issue whatsoever with our mature age group leaders Licuria, Clement, Lockyer, Rocca all capable of improvement whilst Burns and Buckley will continue in being consistent high level performers, but perhaps sneaking under the guard a bit more (watch for Buckley to kick more goals next year) with the emergence of Licuria, O'Bree and Scotland as genuine class midfielders.

However our most improvement will come from our young stocks consisting of a ready-to-explode Alan Didak (thankyou Port), a fit Chris Tarrant and Josh Fraser, the suprising Ryan Lonie, and a more mature and experienced Richie Cole, Jason Cloke and Mark McGough.

These guys will determine how far we go depending on the speed of their development.

While I don't doubt our heart or courage at all, we just need an injection of class to really become a great team in 03 and beyond.
A good tap ruckman and experienced back pocket would also be handy additions from trade week

 

[The Spornstar]

Originally posted by Rohan_


You were singing their club song at the Best and Fairest in a year in which you won a wooden spoon.

Apparently no one joined in except Elliott (who was probably only doing it to try and lift spirits, a lot different to your circumstances).

 

[The_Flying_Egg]

Originally posted by Rohan_
Collingwood and Steve McKee be? While Carlton fans battle with infighting, key retirements and a loss of draft picks, Collingwood will be in the process of winning a flag.

Collingwood will be pretty good, maybe top 4, but not flag

Steve McKee will be the same ordinary ruckman he is right now. He won't ever win the hitouts and won't be overly damaging around the ground but at least he'll be competitive and make contests. He'll generally struggle with the real gun ruckman though as he is one or 2 classes below the very best ruckman in the league

 

[Lockyer24]

Re: Re: How good will.....

Originally posted by The_Flying_Egg


won't be overly damaging around the ground but at least he'll be competitive and make contests.

He's just trying to emulate Matthew Primus.

Steve McKee - 2003 All Australian Vice Captain has a nice ring to it.

 

[kelman]

Originally posted by Rohan_


Didak 19
Lonie 19
Cloke 19
Fraser 20
McGough 18

Nick Davis 22
Chris Tarrant 21
Shane O'Bree 23
Anthony Rocca 24

The peak age of a footballer is around 27/28. Yes it is very scary..

Cloke is still unproven in my opinion. had a good year, but got found out a fair bit in the second half of the year.

McGough, in his first year, has to be the most overrated player in the league. Can get the ball, but does TERRIBLE things with it.

Fraser is up and down. Has skill but looks a bit soft. maybe it is the fast approaching baldness that is severely effecting his confidence.

Nick davis is gone.

I love Tarrant as a player, and at the start of he year would have said he will one day be in the top five in the league. this year was disappointing, looked disinterested, and only made a contest in the big games........still had little effect. Hardly Scary based on 2002.

Lonie looks pretty good, and rocca we know is a gun if he can turn it on (and if he doesn't have to take set shots in pressure situations, then he needs his momma stroking his hairy back in order for him to relax and block out the weight of expectation). Hardly consistent.

point is, you have some good youngsters, who, aided by a VERY lucky run to the Grand Final, made the most of the opportunity on the big day (and still lost). you won't make the Grand Final next year, if the guys listed develop in a way that many AFL players don't, you may challenge in a few years, but it is hardly a list to be scared of. You may have a bit of promising youth, but your key, Nafan, aint getting any younger.

 

[Lockyer24]

Originally posted by kelman


Cloke is still unproven in my opinion. had a good year, but got found out a fair bit in the second half of the year.

McGough, in his first year, has to be the most overrated player in the league. Can get the ball, but does TERRIBLE things with it.

Fraser is up and down. Has skill but looks a bit soft. maybe it is the fast approaching baldness that is severely effecting his confidence.

Nick davis is gone.

I love Tarrant as a player, and at the start of he year would have said he will one day be in the top five in the league. this year was disappointing, looked disinterested, and only made a contest in the big games........still had little effect. Hardly Scary based on 2002.

Lonie looks pretty good, and rocca we know is a gun if he can turn it on (and if he doesn't have to take set shots in pressure situations, then he needs his momma stroking his hairy back in order for him to relax and block out the weight of expectation). Hardly consistent.

point is, you have some good youngsters, who, aided by a VERY lucky run to the Grand Final, made the most of the opportunity on the big day (and still lost). you won't make the Grand Final next year, if the guys listed develop in a way that many AFL players don't, you may challenge in a few years, but it is hardly a list to be scared of. You may have a bit of promising youth, but your key, Nafan, aint getting any younger.

Clokey fell away in the second half of the year but he still remained valuable within the team structure of the second best team in the competition.

McGough had the most Brownlow votes out of all first year players this year, I guess the umpires must overrate him too.

Fraser, soft, going bald, and under the duress of O.P still would have led many clubs goalkicking.

Nick Davis is gone...to Sydney.

Tarrant played injured for the second half of the season, and was touted as an All Australian by some pre-hip injury.

Point is, we have a group of youngsters helping us win finals not win spoons. And whats this lucky finals run that we had We played 1st, 3rd and 2nd on the ladder and all our matches were at the appropriate venues ??

And going on Nathans last game he played, he ain't gettin any older either

 

[kelman]

Never said you didn't have a good group of youngsters, but it is not a list that other clubs should be scared of.

So what if MCGough got the most brownlow votes of any first year player. i acknowledge he got a lot of the ball, but cannot see him being any kind of star in the afl...serviceable maybe, but not a player to fear. The umpires probably did overrate him because he was so young. Anyway, if brownlow votes were an indictation of how good a player was, then you wouldn't trade McGough for Judd?

Fraser might have been the leading goal kicker at many clubs. So would kent Kingsley. Kingsley is still a dud. A young Fraser is not a particularly scary propostion.

Cloke is a good player. but not the superstar player that some are making him out to be . It still makes me luah that some could have suggested his exclusion cost the pies a premiership.

You're win against port was very good and very well deserved. Against adelaide, you cannot deny there is a bit of luck when one of the best midfielders ever and another top line midfielder get injured. The weather also made things close in the grand final, although collingwood played gutsy football, adry sunny day would have been a lot different.

Point is, you had a good year, but it is far too early to be saying people should fear your list for years to come. Brisbane's lis is scarey. Adelaide's list, witha fit carey, is scarey. port' List is scary. Collingwoods list is pretty good, but i would go into every game against them knowing my team could win. they do not strike fear into the heart. just like melbourne 200 were no much to fear. Your not a Brisbane, Essendon or North of recent years yet. Not even close. Collingwood will be lucky to make a preliminary in 2003.

 

[saiak]

Originally posted by Rohan_


Ok...Now I get it JTP, season 2002 for Collingwood was not about how well Collingwood did, it was about how bad our opposition went.

I think it had a lot to do with this. Rohan has seen the light!

 

[PiesPremiers]

Originally posted by The Spornstar


I personally think you will finish about 8th next year.

Everyone said that last year. Im happy with people thinking we're just going to 'make up the numbers'
I wouldnt have it any other way.

 

[The Spornstar]

Originally posted by PiesPremiers


Everyone said that last year. Im happy with people thinking we're just going to 'make up the numbers'
I wouldnt have it any other way.

Good. I'll stick with that then. Everyone's happy.

 

[Brad Goodman]

The following clubs I can guarantee won't finish above Collingwood in 2003.

Fremantle
Geelong
St Kilda
Carlton
Melbourne
Richmond
West Coast
Western Bulldogs
Sydney
Kangaroos

Guaranteed to finish 6th at the very lowest. Probably higher. Not bad.

 

[The Spornstar]

Originally posted by Abba Lonie
The following clubs I can guarantee won't finish above Collingwood in 2003.

Fremantle
Geelong
St Kilda
Carlton
Melbourne
Richmond
West Coast
Western Bulldogs
Sydney
Kangaroos

Guaranteed to finish 6th at the very lowest. Probably higher. Not bad.

I'd love to bet that at least one of those clubs finish above Collingwood. The chances are that one of those teams will make the top 4. Haven't got a clue which one though.

I remember before the start of this year quite a few people were saying the following:

"There are 6 certain finalists this year: Essendon, Brisbane, Port, Hawthorn, Richmond and Sydney. The rest will fight out for the other two spots".

Of course, it was all a load of hogwash. Whatever we predict, almost all of us will end up looking like fools.

 

[Brad Goodman]

Originally posted by The Spornstar


I'd love to bet that at least one of those clubs finish above Collingwood.

How much.

 

[The Spornstar]

Originally posted by Abba Lonie


How much.

20

 

[Pieman7]

Originally posted by Rohan_


You were singing your club song at the Best and Fairest in a year in which you won a wooden spoon.

Actually it was only Elliot flying solo.

 

[Brad Goodman]

Originally posted by The Spornstar


20

Deal.

 

[Pieman7]

Collingwood in 2003 has top four written all over it.